How to obtain Salvation?

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Zmouth

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lots of wolves here will try to discourage you...
they are blind and dont know it
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Don't forget and deaf too....

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40

It is written in the scriptures, "For by grace are ye saved through faith;" yet it is also written, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

So what was Paul's testimony regarding hearing the word of God...

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Acts 9:7

But of course, he didn't mean literally, he just meant he imagined hearing a voice right?

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Acts 22:9

I was just hit with incredable anxiety. Im not sure Im saved. A few years ago i gave myself to christ and I pray almost everyday I beileve everthing in the bible and God has undoubtably changed me from the sick man I was. If you knew me prior to two years ago and some of you have however I dont do anything for God somethings stopping me I wat to ut laziness and procrastionaion rule my life. I know theres no way for you to know but does it sound like im saved?
Do you believe that he that commits sin is of the devil? So if you know that there is no way for anyone to know if you are saved then you deceive yourself, which is the reason Jesus came to call sinners to repentance.

 
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NoNameMcgee

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3341. metanoia ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.


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2 Corinthians
Chapter 5


17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.



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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 

Nehemiah6

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Thank you brother! I should really study my bible more. My anxiety can be very unrational
It is always good to study your Bible more. But take what was posted from Romans 10 and do what it says. That is called obedience to the Gospel. After that you should not have any anxiety attacks. At the same time, make sure you are baptized as a believer, since then you can publicly confess with your mouth that the Lord Jesus is your Lord and Savior.

Further down in that chapter God tells us of those who disobeyed the Gospel.
 

Monnkai

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Hi Monnkai...I have just come out off what you are going through , and believe me when I say it is from the enemy...

Two days I was in despair , I know I am a child of God , I gave my life to Jesus just over two years ago , and yet before I was saved I suffered with mental illness and I know the evil one looks for cracks in my mind because my mind used to be so sick ...Ii got into the word today , I needed the bread of life Jesus to feed me , and as He did He also gave me water , living water that refreshed me...

When you come under attack , open the bible and find the Scriptures for comforting yourself with His word , it is the only way to get relief no matter what anyone else tells you , we have to open the bible and get fed ourselfs...

After my anxiety attack was so high , I was believing I was not saved , although in my heart I know I am , but still that voice would not leave me alone , the only way to squash it was running to Jesus to soak in His truth...

We are young in the Lord , and God only knows how much we need Him , keep your armour suit on and hold that shield high to protect you from the darts that the evil fires at you , it is a horrible battle , and when I get like that , I sometimes wonder if I am getting an episode of my mental health coming on as sometimes I can not tell the difference , but only through reading Gods words I come to know that it is for real the evil one and then God restores His peace that surpasses all my understanding...Sent with love to you...xox...
I may know what your going through I have Aspergers and it comes with depression severe anxiety and OCD. I also have a list of health problems and need heart surgery soon. And no I dont think God owes me healing and he will if he wants. which is why I was worried if I was saved since death can easily happen in a high risk surgery
 

Monnkai

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It is always good to study your Bible more. But take what was posted from Romans 10 and do what it says. That is called obedience to the Gospel. After that you should not have any anxiety attacks. At the same time, make sure you are baptized as a believer, since then you can publicly confess with your mouth that the Lord Jesus is your Lord and Savior.

Further down in that chapter God tells us of those who disobeyed the Gospel.
Ive confessed it many times pulicly on facebook can I confess it to my parents by mouth?
 

Nehemiah6

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Ive confessed it many times pulicly on facebook can I confess it to my parents by mouth?
Absolutely. That would be excellent and an incentive to your parents to given serious attention to the Gospel (if they are not already saved). But do not postpone being baptized, since that will be a critical part of your having the assurance that you are indeed a child of God and have the Holy Spirit within. After that you should never have doubts about your salvation.

Those who repent and believe receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), who in turn regenerates your soul and spirit (Titus 3:4-7). When you are born again you become a new creation in Christ (2 Cor 5:17), and when you are raised out of the water of baptism it is evidence that you have been raised to walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4) by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom 8:1).
 

Monnkai

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I think a changed life is a very good indicator. You have probably noticed God working in your life since then.
I used to stand up for and encourage all things sexual I wont deny it comes back sometimes and I still have a porn addiction but I know God will bless me with relief someday. The biggest difference is that I understand how sick and wrong it is
 

Monnkai

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Absolutely. That would be excellent and an incentive to your parents to given serious attention to the Gospel (if they are not already saved). But do not postpone being baptized, since that will be a critical part of your having the assurance that you are indeed a child of God and have the Holy Spirit within. After that you should never have doubts about your salvation.

Those who repent and believe receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), who in turn regenerates your soul and spirit (Titus 3:4-7). When you are born again you become a new creation in Christ (2 Cor 5:17), and when you are raised out of the water of baptism it is evidence that you have been raised to walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4) by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom 8:1).
If your talking about water baptism I was as A baby. I just confessed to my parents my sister andher boyfriend I said I beileve Jesus Christ is my Lord and savoir so im going to find a church I can go too
 

Nehemiah6

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If your talking about water baptism I was as A baby. I just confessed to my parents my sister andher boyfriend I said I beileve Jesus Christ is my Lord and savoir so im going to find a church I can go too
Infant baptism is meaningless, since infants and young children have no clue about their need for the Savior. What you need is "believer's baptism", since you have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He has commanded you to be baptized as a Christian. Study the book of Acts to see how water baptism was administered only to those who obeyed the Gospel.

ACTS 10 (KJB)

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

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And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

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Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

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And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Where it says "baptized in the name of the Lord" it means this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
 
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mailmandan

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lots of wolves here will try to discourage you...

they are blind and dont know it



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john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

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Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

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1 peter 1

3.Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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1 john 3

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


romans 4

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Amen brother! Keep fighting the good fight of faith and beware of the wolves.

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Monnkai

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Infant baptism is meaningless, since infants and young children have no clue about their need for the Savior. What you need is "believer's baptism", since you have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He has commanded you to be baptized as a Christian. Study the book of Acts to see how water baptism was administered only to those who obeyed the Gospel.

ACTS 10 (KJB)

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

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And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

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Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

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And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Where it says "baptized in the name of the Lord" it means this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
So I wont be saved until im baptised?
 

Monnkai

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Infant baptism is meaningless, since infants and young children have no clue about their need for the Savior. What you need is "believer's baptism", since you have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and He has commanded you to be baptized as a Christian. Study the book of Acts to see how water baptism was administered only to those who obeyed the Gospel.

ACTS 10 (KJB)

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

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And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

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Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

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And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Where it says "baptized in the name of the Lord" it means this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
can I baptise myself at home?
 
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joefizz

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So I wont be saved until im baptised?
Water baptism "isn't necessary" to be saved it is far more important to accept Jesus as Saviour and Lord thereby accepting the holy spirit than it is to be water baptized,water baptism represents being baptized into Jesus's death and receiving remission of sins offering a one time clean slate of no sin to anyone who "understands" all that the water baptism represents.
 
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Gabriel2020

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If water was so important to be baptized, Then there would not have been a need for Jesus to come after John. They were being baptized in water as a sign of their guilty sinful lives, even before they met Jesus. They had not known that Jesus was coming, but yet they still got baptized in water. A sign to show the world that they will straighten out their lives. Oh., when Jesus came on the seen, they fought for their baptism of water by John. thinking that was all they needed. The reason John had to be removed by death from the seen was because of that one reason. Jesus was ready to do what man had never seen or heard of before.
 

Nehemiah6

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can I baptise myself at home?
How would you publicly testify (confess with your mouth) that you have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and received Him as your Lord and Savior if you did that? Generally when believers are baptized, they offer a brief testimony of their conversion and faith. This is not only an encouragement to other Christians, but can serve as a Gospel message to someone who is watching and is not saved. Actions speak louder then words, but when there are both actions and words it is very powerful. Just keep in mind that in many countries, being baptized as a believer is an act of courage as well as an act of obedience to Christ.
 

Gabriel2020

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No, The purpose of having someone to baptize another is aimed at salvation, not pleasure.. That type of baptism by water and spirit has been ordained by God. Show me a man that have baptized his own self. sounds like a self righteous person to me.
 

Gabriel2020

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Baptism by water is somewhat like an oath. Once you commit to it, you must take the next step which is being baptized by Jesus.
 
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That's a terrible place to be in Monnkai. Constantly wondering whether or not you're saved is the worst. I know, I've been there too. It led me to depression and I was always bitter about everything happening in my life. In the back of my mind, I thought I kinda deserved it, being the person I was. I had so many reasons. We can be very irrational sometimes and we don't know it. It's something we learned to live by, growing up.

The truth is, God has long reconciled the world with Him. Through Jesus. At the Cross. When He gave Himself up for you and me. What that means is that through Jesus, by believing in what He has done for you at the Cross and why He did so (because He loves you) is the only WAY to get salvation.

I wrote extensively about this when I first understood what it really meant being saved and loved by the most high God. In my blog (link here)

The devil is the accuser of the brethren and he will do anything to do just that to you. Meaning, making you think of things that lead you to wondering how God can love you. Questions like.. are you really saved? The reason we ask this is because we doubt, and no you're not alone, I still doubt sometimes too - and what is there not to doubt about if we rely on ourselves? Yeah, the reason we doubt is because of the centuries old lie of the church (which was of course planted by the devil to oppress us in so many ways), something in grained in our very being, meritocracy.

We doubt because, we (and many generations ahead of us) were made to think that we have to deserve everything we get in life. Including, and most especially God's salvation, God's approval, God's favour, God's love, God's blessings. Yeah, we were made to think that what we do or not do are essential to keeping our salvation, keeping our blessings, and all the good things that God has for us.

This is not unfounded though. Understandably, it came from the old testament. Before Christ. The law, basically. But even then, it was never their effort that kept Israel blessed. It's their constant, daily sacrifices for every sin they made.

ANYWAY, I won't make this longer than it already is. I always get too passionate about this topic cause I know just how terrible it is to be mentally oppressed every time with lies from the devil!

I was just hit with incredable anxiety. Im not sure Im saved. A few years ago i gave myself to christ and I pray almost everyday I beileve everthing in the bible and God has undoubtably changed me from the sick man I was. If you knew me prior to two years ago and some of you have however I dont do anything for God somethings stopping me I wat to ut laziness and procrastionaion rule my life. I know theres no way for you to know but does it sound like im saved?