How To Be Un-Saved
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LoveGodForever,
I too am wary to bring up commentaries, but I fear many on this forum are so deep into OSAS that they will not be read. OSAS if true would be one of the simplest concepts to proclaim but instead OSAS supporters use implication to defend it and not simple scripture. Such is the norm for many heresies. OSAS may help the carnal man to sleep at night but the spiritual man knows better.
The notion that we are against believing in OSAS because we want to "earn our salvation" is laughable.
I too am wary to bring up commentaries, but I fear many on this forum are so deep into OSAS that they will not be read. OSAS if true would be one of the simplest concepts to proclaim but instead OSAS supporters use implication to defend it and not simple scripture. Such is the norm for many heresies. OSAS may help the carnal man to sleep at night but the spiritual man knows better.
The notion that we are against believing in OSAS because we want to "earn our salvation" is laughable.
Whatsoever is not of FAITH is indeed SIN.
If God asks us to not lie and we lie, do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us not to steal do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us no to murder someone and we murder someone do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us to honor our parents and we do not honor our parents do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
WHAT IS SIN?
James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW
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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
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Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)
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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.
There is no such thing as once saved always saved this is the false Gospel of the father of lies told to Eve in the Garden of Eden
SIN is indeed the transgression or breaking of God's LAW. KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
If God asks us to not lie and we lie, do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us not to steal do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us no to murder someone and we murder someone do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
If God asks us to honor our parents and we do not honor our parents do we have faith or not have faith in God's Word?
WHAT IS SIN?
James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW
links to...........
1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
Links to...........
Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)
Links to............
Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.
There is no such thing as once saved always saved this is the false Gospel of the father of lies told to Eve in the Garden of Eden
SIN is indeed the transgression or breaking of God's LAW. KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
.................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Truth is LGF we all fall foul of that when we have opposing views.
We will be judged by idle words but also spoken words.
We will also be judged by our works.
So what you same to some its gibberish and to what I say to someone is gibberish.
Gobbledygook I was trying to lighten the atmosphere. Yes a fault of mine.
Anyway Wiki defines it as follows
[FONT="]Gibberish, alternatively jibberish, jibber-jabber, or gobbledygook, is language that is (or appears to be) nonsense. It may include speech sounds that are not actual words,[SUP][1][/SUP] or language games and specialized jargon that seems nonsensical to outsiders.[SUP][2][/SUP] Gibberish should not be confused with literary nonsense such as that used in the poem "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT="]The word gibberish is more commonly applied to informal speech, while gobbledygook (sometimes gobbledegook, gobbledigook or gobbledegoo) is more often applied to writing or language that is meaningless or is made unintelligible by excessive use of abstruse technical terms.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]"Officialese", "legalese", or "bureaucratese" are forms of gobbledygook. The related word jibber-jabber refers to rapid talk that is difficult to understand.[SUP][3][/SUP][/FONT]
We will be judged by idle words but also spoken words.
We will also be judged by our works.
So what you same to some its gibberish and to what I say to someone is gibberish.
Gobbledygook I was trying to lighten the atmosphere. Yes a fault of mine.
Anyway Wiki defines it as follows
[FONT="]Gibberish, alternatively jibberish, jibber-jabber, or gobbledygook, is language that is (or appears to be) nonsense. It may include speech sounds that are not actual words,[SUP][1][/SUP] or language games and specialized jargon that seems nonsensical to outsiders.[SUP][2][/SUP] Gibberish should not be confused with literary nonsense such as that used in the poem "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT="]The word gibberish is more commonly applied to informal speech, while gobbledygook (sometimes gobbledegook, gobbledigook or gobbledegoo) is more often applied to writing or language that is meaningless or is made unintelligible by excessive use of abstruse technical terms.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]"Officialese", "legalese", or "bureaucratese" are forms of gobbledygook. The related word jibber-jabber refers to rapid talk that is difficult to understand.[SUP][3][/SUP][/FONT]
J
Well my belief is in Jesus whom can save eternally but it's quite interesting seeing both sides of the belief system,and yes many assumptions,those who claim to be perfect or claim we need works to be saved when Jesus returns call we who believe in "eternal salvation" "lazy" or "unsaved" where as some on my side of things claim that the supposed "non sinning"/perfect no "eternal salvation" people that they choose to "earn salvation".
So I'll ask what do you believe?
so as that you may clear things up for we who believe in being saved eternally by accepting Jesus and his works humbly and sincerely.
So I'll ask what do you believe?
so as that you may clear things up for we who believe in being saved eternally by accepting Jesus and his works humbly and sincerely.
Don't be wary to bring up commentaries.
The thing is that you say OSAS may help the carnal man to sleep at night. Therefore accusing the OSAS man is carnal and don't give two hoots.
Then the reverse is said how can a man sleep well wondering if they have done enough works.
Does keeping the Sabbath make us spiritual and saved?
The thing is that you say OSAS may help the carnal man to sleep at night. Therefore accusing the OSAS man is carnal and don't give two hoots.
Then the reverse is said how can a man sleep well wondering if they have done enough works.
Does keeping the Sabbath make us spiritual and saved?
Hi Bill,
What is being shared is that SIN will keep all those who practice it out of God's KINGDOM. If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS. We are not saved by what we do but by faith in BELIEVING God's WORD alowing Christ to WORK in us to do of HIS own good pleasure.
As the scriptures say if your tree has no fruit it will be cast down and thrown into the fire because your faith is dead (Matthew 7:12-23; James2:18-20; 26)
SIN is breaking GOd's Commandments not following God's Word through FAITH that works by LOVE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD. This is SIN and KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
.................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
What is being shared is that SIN will keep all those who practice it out of God's KINGDOM. If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS. We are not saved by what we do but by faith in BELIEVING God's WORD alowing Christ to WORK in us to do of HIS own good pleasure.
As the scriptures say if your tree has no fruit it will be cast down and thrown into the fire because your faith is dead (Matthew 7:12-23; James2:18-20; 26)
SIN is breaking GOd's Commandments not following God's Word through FAITH that works by LOVE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD. This is SIN and KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
.................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
John 10:27-29
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
That seems pretty simple to me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
That seems pretty simple to me.
S
The 4th commandment was a part of the Law given to Moses for Israel. If one breaks even one part of the Law, one has broken the Law.
Do you keep ever part of the Law given to Moses? I mean ever single part? If not, than just keeping the 4th commandment is of no benefit to you. You are a Law breaker and therefore condemned.
Do you keep ever part of the Law given to Moses? I mean ever single part? If not, than just keeping the 4th commandment is of no benefit to you. You are a Law breaker and therefore condemned.