How To Be Un-Saved

[NoNameMcgee]

Ya missed something.

When one walks away, faith ends.

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

ephesians 1

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

please God open the eyes of those here who cannot see

shine light on the darkness being pushed here that tries to cover up your love for your children

 

[Speak2Me]

Message to Laodicea

Rev3 14“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: 15‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 17‘Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

Some "christians" are not being faithful & their sin is putting a bad taste in God's mouth.

When God vomits you out.......... yer out.

 

[Speak2Me]

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Missed the target again.

One simply cannot draw back from God unless they were first close to Him.

Basically the author is saying "We are not of them who back away from God thru unbelief, but of them that keep on believing to the salvation of the soul."

 

[Speak2Me]

please God open the eyes of those here who cannot see

shine light on the darkness being pushed here that tries to cover up your love for your children

By all means keep praying this for all of us, including yourself.

 

[gb9]

Missed the target again.

One simply cannot draw back from God unless they were first close to Him.

Basically the author is saying "We are not of them who back away from God thru unbelief, but of them that keep on believing to the salvation of the soul."

those who back away from God through unbelief would be called......... unbelievers. not former true believers who drew back, but people who professed to believe, but did not really do so.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Missed the target again.

One simply cannot draw back from God unless they were first close to Him.

Basically the author is saying "We are not of them who back away from God thru unbelief, but of them that keep on believing to the salvation of the soul."

i hope God reveals truth to you

.....who do you think "we" are?


1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


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ephesians 1

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

 

[Speak2Me]

those who back away from God through unbelief would be called......... unbelievers. not former true believers who drew back, but people who professed to believe, but did not really do so.

So religious sinners & hypocrites are drawing away from God?

You do realize how stupid that sounds?

Tell me, Why didn't the author explain the gospel to them then?

NEVER in all this twisting of scripture does anyone explain how it is the writers NEVER write the gospel message in their epistles if they're writing to sinners?!?

IT'S NOT THERE!

 

[joefizz]

Nothing but blah.

You need to stay on track instead of trying to steer the convo elsewhere.

Someone might think yer guilty of doing something.

I'm always glad to be "guilty" of being "Truthful".

 

[NoNameMcgee]

1 Peter 1:23
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”

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2 cor 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Speak2Me]

i hope God reveals truth to you

.....who do you think "we" are?

Can't you see the verses plainly say we can back away or we can continue?

 

[Magenta]

 

[Speak2Me]

1 Peter 1:23
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”

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2 cor 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

These verses are true.

A christian could backslide a dozen times & come back & find the Father's arms open wide to forgive & receive that prodical back.

But not everyone turns back.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Can't you see the verses plainly say
we can back away or we can continue?

nope not me

im born again
1 Peter 1:23
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
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He has started working in me

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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we are (adopted children.... new creatures... actual believers) not of these
1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[Speak2Me]

Amen. If we keep our eyes on Jesus, we'll never fall away.

We should never allow ourselves to turn our eyes to the right or the left.

Nothing's more important than Jesus.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Amen. If we keep our eyes on Jesus, we'll never fall away.

We should never allow ourselves to turn our eyes to the right or the left.

Nothing's more important than Jesus.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


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you give yourself too much power and deny His in the process

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

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[joefizz]

Why do some "want" Salvation to be loseable so strongly?

 

[Speak2Me]

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


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you give yourself too much power and deny His in the process

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

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Aaaaagain, God will do all these things to them that trust in Him. But not even God can make us love & trust Him.

Romans 8:28
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New International Version
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

New Living Translation
And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them.

English Standard Version
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

New American Standard Bible
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

What works together for those who don't love & trust Him?

BTW, is there a way I can take too much power on myself?

And if somehow I did, according to your theology I'm still going where yer going, right?

RIGHT?

 

[Speak2Me]

Why do some "want" Salvation to be loseable so strongly?

You don't understand. It has nothing to do with what anyone wants, that's the way God designed it.

 

[Ralph-]

What was Jesus' sacrifice for then? If we can be obedient to attain salvation?

I did not say you can be obedient to attain salvation. You heard it that way because you are incapable of understanding a discussion about works and salvation any other way. You have been conditioned by a very ignorant church to only be able to hear it that way.

Obedience to the law shows that you are born again.


"3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments."-1 John 2:3


And when you slip up Christ's blood is there to forgive.


"9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."-1 John 1:9


That's why we have to keep believing. Stop believing and you lose the effectiveness of Christ's blood ever ministering before the Father on your behalf (Hebrews 7:25).


If the law arouses sin in you, you show yourself to still be in the flesh and not born again. If you are born again you KEEP his commandments, not get aroused to sin by the law. So it's easy to see this has nothing to do with earning your salvation by keeping the commandments of God (the only way you know how to hear works and salvation in the same sentence). It has everything to do with keeping his commandments if you are born again.