How To Be Un-Saved
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it is impossible IF THEY FALL AWAY
It does not say they do, or they will, or they can. It says IF THEY FALL AWAY, they CAN NOT BE RENEWED. in other words. THE LAW IS INSUFFICIENT, the sacrifice can not redeem you in the day of atonement when the lamb is slaughtered. Saying it does puts God to open shame.
Read the verses which follow. It says NEAR TO BEING CURSED. it does not say they lost salvation. The warning is going back to law, The warning is to make sure you faith in Christ is real. You ONLY go back if that is what you trusted to begin with.
The context is GOING BACK TO LAW. not going back to sin..
I would ask those saying if someone "stops believing" they lose salvation. Could you ever "unknow" now that you know? What I mean is that, at least in my case, God made something that was not there before. I could let my flesh win, and from time to time it still does, I can even get angry at God when I am being petulant, but now that I know Him, how could I ever "unknow" Him?
Even if I wanted to, it is His power that saved me and His power that keeps me. I know it does not come from me.
Even if I wanted to, it is His power that saved me and His power that keeps me. I know it does not come from me.
It does not say that at all. Don't you realize that those people that turned away from God that walked with the other disciples was Holy Ghost filled. If they had not been ,they would not have been with them. They knew these people had been filled with the Holy Ghost. Their problem was that they could no longer endure.. That is automatic rejection. everybody that walked with these diciples were spirit filled.
Here is my answer:
I believe that God loves and woos His children; He gives them all they need to be saved and to live for Him: He walks with them, He makes available to them His power, His love, and His majesty! He becomes a friend, a confidante, and a wonderful Lord and Saviour.
But never will the Lord force allegiance or service for His kingdom! His method is love and trust.
For myself, I know that I have the moral capability to reject Jesus. I have in me the same moral capacity that the worst men (Hitlar, Stalin) in history had! I am not better than they were. Were it not for the grace of God, I would be there too!
I thank my Redeemer, Saviour, and Lord every day for redemption! I believe in Him; I cling to Him, and I love Him!
But for me, I know that I still have the moral capability to reject Christ and become a "Judas"! Do I plan to? Absolutely not!
Some day when I get to glory I will revel and forever live in the direct presence of my Redeemer who loves me so much! Praise be to His name!
I believe that God loves and woos His children; He gives them all they need to be saved and to live for Him: He walks with them, He makes available to them His power, His love, and His majesty! He becomes a friend, a confidante, and a wonderful Lord and Saviour.
But never will the Lord force allegiance or service for His kingdom! His method is love and trust.
For myself, I know that I have the moral capability to reject Jesus. I have in me the same moral capacity that the worst men (Hitlar, Stalin) in history had! I am not better than they were. Were it not for the grace of God, I would be there too!
I thank my Redeemer, Saviour, and Lord every day for redemption! I believe in Him; I cling to Him, and I love Him!
But for me, I know that I still have the moral capability to reject Christ and become a "Judas"! Do I plan to? Absolutely not!
Some day when I get to glory I will revel and forever live in the direct presence of my Redeemer who loves me so much! Praise be to His name!
And therein lies the problem...
The word "force" is a misnomer, emotionalism, non sequitur, a plea for "free will" and a straw man argument. "Force" is one of the favorite word choices of those who embrace anti-Biblical free will choosing as if lost man has any capability of choosing God. Scripture proves over and again salvation is not via choice, that lost man is incapable of choosing God, incapable of coming God, and that man is not free until in Christ.
Biblically God does cause us to obey, via his working, by his Spirit: Philippians 2:13. Ezekiel 36:27. Psalm 23:2.
Soli Deo Gloria!
The word "force" is a misnomer, emotionalism, non sequitur, a plea for "free will" and a straw man argument. "Force" is one of the favorite word choices of those who embrace anti-Biblical free will choosing as if lost man has any capability of choosing God. Scripture proves over and again salvation is not via choice, that lost man is incapable of choosing God, incapable of coming God, and that man is not free until in Christ.
Biblically God does cause us to obey, via his working, by his Spirit: Philippians 2:13. Ezekiel 36:27. Psalm 23:2.
Soli Deo Gloria!
You've been given them to ad nauseam, you just don't believe them. Also, you need to escape your "verseology" mindset and embrace 2 Timothy 2:15.
You're a nice guy, but frankly your loss of salvation view is obsessive and unbiblical.
I truly believe those of you who deny eternal salvation really want someone, anyone, to lose their salvation. These are more set out to prove this than to edify the truly converted. I could give you texts about the true converts perseverance in belief, but you'd twist them out of context.
You're a nice guy, but frankly your loss of salvation view is obsessive and unbiblical.
I truly believe those of you who deny eternal salvation really want someone, anyone, to lose their salvation. These are more set out to prove this than to edify the truly converted. I could give you texts about the true converts perseverance in belief, but you'd twist them out of context.
"you just don't believe them." -- Are you saying I did believe them, but no longer do?? LOL!
"Also, you need to escape your "verseology" mindset and embrace 2 Timothy 2:15. " Call it what you will, I am keeping my "verseology" mindset, yes! I insist that doctrine must come from clear Scripture, not from a person's overall view of what they think Scripture teaches.
[SUB][/SUB]"You're a nice guy, but frankly your loss of salvation view is obsessive and unbiblical. ": Thanks! I am glad you think I am a nice guy! 
"I truly believe those of you who deny eternal salvation really want someone, anyone, to lose their salvation." You really think so? I guess that is your right! Has anyone said this on CC? (that they really want someone to lose their salvation)
You are a great guy! Your views have given me more respect for the Reformed view - though I disagree more vehemently than ever! Do you want a verse for that? LOL?
"I truly believe those of you who deny eternal salvation really want someone, anyone, to lose their salvation." You really think so? I guess that is your right! Has anyone said this on CC? (that they really want someone to lose their salvation)
You are a great guy! Your views have given me more respect for the Reformed view - though I disagree more vehemently than ever! Do you want a verse for that? LOL?