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Budman

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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?
 
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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?
Interesting question. I bet they get a lot of money from a lot of churches (depending on what the church believes) but is it ethical?

I can’t see it being ethical (its like saying OK to their false gospel) but at the same time, to be part of history is sand prophesy is temping fort sure
 
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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?
it would be the same kind of blood money Judas sought after.

I would say when the veil was rent it indicated the time of refomation had come.the use of the things seen to represent the unseen eternal things of God was used as a shadow in a parable until the refomation. it has lost it ability to reveal the antichrists who are attempting to mend the veil as if Christ had not already come in the flesh for a one time demonstration of pouring out His unseen Spirit.

The promise he would come once clothed with temporal flesh is finished .There are no promise he would provide another demonstration. For some reason some desire to have revealed the antichrists many in the future . We are in the lasts days marked by the rent veil.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.1Jo 4:1
 

Johnny_B

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Does the Temple play a role in the Jews realizing their Messiah? If it does, then the question would be is it unethical to not donate to the third Temple. And this has not been fulfilled as of yet II Thessalonians 2:1-12

“Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

We all know Jesus has not come back yet and we have not been gathered to Him, the man of lawlessness has not been revealed which means he has not sat it the Temple and exalted himself proclaiming to be God. There have been no signs and wonders done by satan or during the time that Titus destoryed the Temple, so he did not fulfill this prophecy.
 

Chester

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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?
Very interesting question: I would say it is not a "Christian" cause, but that does not make it unethical. It is not necessarily wrong to give money to non-Christians if it is for a good cause. But will giving money to the Jews in this case lead some to become Christians? (Ah, now we are into views of eschatology . . .)

If I had extra money, I think this would make a very tempting extra place to give some money! :)
 

Nehemiah6

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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?
No. Christians have nothing to do with the third Temple and should not donate towards it. The fact that this is happening (and Jerusalem has been declared the capital of Israel) indicates that many prophecies will be fulfilled in the future. In the meantime Christians need to simply bring Jews to Christ. The third Temple will be Antichrist's temple.
 

OneFaith

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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?

No. They are no longer God’s people, so that’s like asking if we should build a temple for any nation. God does not reside in temples anyways. My body is God’s temple, and also the bodies of every other Christian.
 

Locutus

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Why would any Christian want to support a dead religion?

It's over.
 

Ahwatukee

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No. They are no longer God’s people, so that’s like asking if we should build a temple for any nation. God does not reside in temples anyways. My body is God’s temple, and also the bodies of every other Christian.
Hello OneFaith,

Have you read the promises of God to His people Israel?

"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

The angel Gabriel above, is speaking on behalf of God regarding Israel. If what he said above didn't happen it would make God out to be One who does not keep His word. Below is what Paul has to say regarding Israel's future:

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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”


Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.


Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all.

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When anyone says that Israel is no longer God's people, they are against Israel. Regarding this, the following is still in operation:

"I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Sixty nine of those seven year periods were fulfilled when the Messiah was cut off/crucified. At that time God put a hold on that last seven years to be fulfilled in conjunction with the end of the age and began to build His church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will gather His church, removing them from the earth. Once that takes place God will pick up right where left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years to complete the following:

"to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place." - Dan.9:24

You have to understand that Israel and the church are two separate dispensations, having different programs. Because seventy sevens were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, what is written must be fulfilled. God has not forgotten His people Israel. During the millennial period, Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem from the throne of king David, just as the scripture above states.
 
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posthuman

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Put your money towards building His actual temple.

Help the poor and needy, visit the afflicted, care for your family, see to the needs of your animals. Give water to those who thirst and bread to those who hunger.
 

Dan58

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I'd donate to tear down the Dome of the Rock, but not to build another Temple. "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" (Acts 17:24). Imo, it would be idolatry to financially support a religion that rejects Christ, no different than donating money to build an altar to worship Zeus. To support a Jewish temple would be tantamount to sewing the temple veil back together after God ripped it in half, and putting the cross on a shelf in order to re-institute animal sacrifice.
 

preston39

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The Temple Institute in Israel is accepting donations to build the third Temple.

My question is this:

Is it ethical for Christians to donate money for the rebuilding of the Temple?

B...,

Absolutely.....it is G-d's plan for the temple to be rebuilt....not just for the Jew.

It is our charter as Christians to do what we can to assist Him in carrying out His plan.
 
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Nehemiah6

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Absolutely.....it is G-d's plan for the temple to be rebuilt....not just for the Jew. It is our charter as Christians to do what we can to assist Him in carrying out His plan.
I believe you are quite confused about this matter. The third Temple is not under God's authority or direction at all. That is reserved for the fourth Temple, and God will not need the participation of Christians when that happens. That will be strictly for redeemed and restored Israel AFTER the second coming of Christ and the establishment of His Millennial Kingdom.

At the present time all the Jews need to repent and be converted, receiving Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. The ones who are intent on building the third Temple have rejected the Lord Jesus Christ and are awaiting another "Messiah". The only problem is that that false Messiah will be the Antichrist, who will deceive the whole world and bring it down to perdition.
 
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History will unfold exactly as determined by the will of God and direction of men regardless of my dime....... ;)
 

mcubed

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Is it ethical for Y-shua / G-d to return? It will be rebuilt weather Christians give or not. We know there will be another tempial. Weather people give or not G-d will build His temple if He wants to. Your question should be about G-d's ability not individual people.
 

OneFaith

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Hello OneFaith,

Have you read the promises of God to His people Israel?

"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

The angel Gabriel above, is speaking on behalf of God regarding Israel. If what he said above didn't happen it would make God out to be One who does not keep His word. Below is what Paul has to say regarding Israel's future:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”


Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.


Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When anyone says that Israel is no longer God's people, they are against Israel. Regarding this, the following is still in operation:

"I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Sixty nine of those seven year periods were fulfilled when the Messiah was cut off/crucified. At that time God put a hold on that last seven years to be fulfilled in conjunction with the end of the age and began to build His church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will gather His church, removing them from the earth. Once that takes place God will pick up right where left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years to complete the following:

"to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place." - Dan.9:24

You have to understand that Israel and the church are two separate dispensations, having different programs. Because seventy sevens were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, what is written must be fulfilled. God has not forgotten His people Israel. During the millennial period, Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem from the throne of king David, just as the scripture above states.

I know the prophesies. They lost their birthright. Israel is now spiritual, not physical. Ever hear the hymn “To Canaan’s Land I’m on my way, where the soul never dies.”? Canaan is now a spiritual place, and God’s people are now a spiritual people. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”
 

Ahwatukee

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I know the prophesies. They lost their birthright. Israel is now spiritual, not physical. Ever hear the hymn “To Canaan’s Land I’m on my way, where the soul never dies.”? Canaan is now a spiritual place, and God’s people are now a spiritual people. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”
I know the prophesies
Obviously, not very well!

God does not say things and have them written and then change them. As I said, what God has written must be fulfilled. Scripture cannot be changed. Therefore, what Paul said about Israel and what the angel Gabriel told Mary, as well as all the other related scriptures, must take place. As an example, the following must be fulfilled:

"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

Did not Gabriel's prophecy regarding Mary giving birth to Jesus come true? Therefore, the other part which states that God will give him the throne of his father king David and reigning over the house of Jacob forever must also be fulfilled. Israel has suffered a partial hardening of the heart until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Just as God has had mercy on the Gentiles, so He will also have mercy on Israel.

The church is made up of both Jew and Gentile, which is a separate dispensation from the nation Israel. This is who God is going to be dealing with during that last seven years.

With your attitude regarding Israel you are on thin ice here, for this would be considered boasting against the branches. Did you not read the scripture regarding what Paul said regarding Israel?

You have been listening to too many of these false teachers. God is going to be dealing with Israel during the tribulation period in their mortal bodies, not in the spirit. You're taking a verse out of context that Paul used regarding the changing of those in Christ living at the time of the resurrection. He was saying that they must be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies, which no longer die or decay, fit for heaven. But you have used it out of context in reference to Israel during the tribulation.

You haven't even taken into consideration that the woman of Rev.12 who is symbolic representing Israel, whom God cares for and protects out in the wilderness during those last 3 1/2 years.

I am amazed at the number of people in these last days who claim to be in Christ and yet are against His people Israel. It is foretelling of their true relationship with the Lord or the lack thereof.

 
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FlyingDove

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No. They are no longer God’s people, so that’s like asking if we should build a temple for any nation. God does not reside in temples anyways. My body is God’s temple, and also the bodies of every other Christian.
Gods Covenant With Israel Is Never Ending

THE CONTEXT OF ROMANS 11 IS ""ISRAEL""

Romans 11:8 According as it is written, God hath given them (Israelites) the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.

9 David saith, Let their table be made a snare, a trap, a stumblingblock unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
(NOTE: Thru Israels temporary seperation. Salvation came to the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy.)

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
(NOTE: In due season/time the Holy Spirit say's Israel's fulness will come)

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
(NOTE: For a time God has placed his focus on the gentiles. Soon he will return all the focus back to Israel)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(NOTE: God has temporarily bilnded Israels understanding. Until the fulness of the gentile time is complete. See Lk 21:24)

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(NOTE: When the gentile time is completed. Jacob/Israel will be completely restored)

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(NOTE: Total restoration & salvation awaits Jacob/Israel. See Jer 31:31-33 & Heb 10:16)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(NOTE: Context here is Israel. Temporarily seperated, yet, they are still beloved)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(NOTE: He called/choose Israel & will never change His mind)

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
(NOTE: The door of salvation was opened to the gentiles. Due to Israels unbelief in rejecting Messiah)

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
(NOTE: Israel is currently in unbelief. Soon they will see God's mercy)

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
(NOTE: God has temporarily concluded ALL of Israel in unbelief. Soon he will have mercy on ALL believers everywhere)

This notion that God has left and/or given up on his Israel his Chosen People. Is unscriptural & completly ridiculous!

Zechariah 12:And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,

John 19:37 (b) They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Luke 13:
34 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

REREAD verse 35. Jesus said He would not return to Jerusalem until His people called out for Him and blessed His name.
The end time restoration and salvation of the Jewish people is clear. Jesus won't return, until His people cry out to Him.

And to where is Jesus going to return? The same place we saw Him ascend from, Acts 1:9-12. The Mount of Olives and it will split in half. Zec 14:1-5

The point has been made above; Jesus won't come back, until the The Whole Nation of Israel. Cry's out to Him:

"Baruch Ha Ba B'Shem Adonai" (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord). Reread vs 35
 

FlyingDove

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I know the prophesies. They lost their birthright. Israel is now spiritual, not physical. Ever hear the hymn “To Canaan’s Land I’m on my way, where the soul never dies.”? Canaan is now a spiritual place, and God’s people are now a spiritual people. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”
Gods love for Israel, it's People & Jerusalem are written in irrevocable covenants.

Jerusalem's destruction & dispersion of Israel were divine judgements, it was never meant to be an absolute rejection of Israel & God’s covenant Lev 26:44-45

Hos, concludes his writings with a prophecy on the restored relationship between Israel & their God: Hos. 14:4-7

Isa, confirms the restored relationship of love between Israel & God: Is. 54:4-8

Jer, emphasises the eternal love that God has for Israel: Jer. 31:3-20

Eze, also confirms Gods everlasting covenant: Ezek 36:24-28

"I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem & they will look on Me whom they have pierced; They will call on My name & I will answer them (Zech. 12:10 & 13:9

3000 yrs ago the Lord said: "In Jerusalem I will put My name" 2 Kings 21:4

In Jerusalem Jesus, was tried & innocently convicted to death. The spotless Lamb of God gave His life as a ransom for the sins of all people Jews & Gentiles

Jesus was crucified & buried, rose on the 3rd day. 40 days later ascended to heaven from Mt Olives which lies directly east of the Old City

10 days later the Holy Spirit is poured out in Jerusalem. The Church of Christ also has its origin in Jerusalem Lk. 24:49

From Jerusalem, chosen by God to put His name there. Comes the message salvation. "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon u & u shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, Samaria & to the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8

Jesus will return to Jerusalem: "& in that day His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east.

The Mt of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west. & the Lord shall be King over all the earth" (Zech. 14:4-5, 9

Then Jerusalem will be rebuilt & established as capital city of the world during Christ 1000 yr reign

Jesus promised: "After this I will return & rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen down. (Acts. 15:16-17

Isa, also confirms the fact that Jerusalem will be the capital of the world during Christ 1000 yr reign (Is. 2:3-4

Jer, also looks ahead to this time: "At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the Lord, (Jer. 3:17

God’s love for Israel, is an irrevocable covenant with them & guarantees the complete restoration of this nation. Rom 11:26

How can anyone doubt the great love & eternal plan God has for His people (Israelites) & Jerusalem?

2 Kings 21:4 The LORD say's; "In Jerusalem I will put My name"