Bible-Medicine-God

[Jakob]

I dont know if this is the forum where i'm supposed to post it.
but here I go.
I guess back story is relevant,

From 2013 to 2017 i was very self-medicated, booze and drugs. I've been sober for 4 months, and clean for 2 months, with Gods help! It's been a long and taughful journey, i was very addictive to have an intoxicated mind, (High or drunk), cause then everything would be easier, like anxiety and socially. I knew it was a problem in 2015' when I realized I needed more and more, for it to have same effect.
I've been feeling way better since i've stopped, but it's also hard to face your problems, and feelings.
I've gotten a lot of help and support, like going to AA meetings, etc.

This monday I went to see a psychriatrist, he said I may have ADD, cause I said I have a hard time focusing on ONE thing- so he gave me Ritalin (to try for 1 week, to see if it was better)
I was on Ritalin tuesday-friday (but I didnt take one today) and here's WHY, and my upcoming questions!

Tuesday, first day on Ritalin i zoned out, all day- I didnt turn on my TV, i didnt go out, I just enjoyed my body resting, and the little "high" there is.Staring into the air, litteraly doing nothing. I got the same side affects as when i tried Amphetamine couple of years ago.
Wednesday was better, I still enjoyed the high, and enjoyed being able to focus on one thing. But I had so much anxiousity and panic attack that I was dying, (Taking pills makes me have panic attacks, cause I think i get all the side affects thats rare like Psychosis, heart attack)..
Thursday i also took the pill, and i had this weird feeling, that i hated how much i enjoyed it, and how its weird I got support to stop being high, now I get support for being high, its all upside down.
I know Ritalin pills, are carefully dosage, unlike the street drugs.
I stopped today, simply because I was praying yesterday, and I talked to God about it. I figured i was gonna stop before I get addictive to ritalin, and reliant on medicine, and when i dont get body relaxing and the little 'high' ill ask to have more pills legally by my psychriatrist... and i dont want that.

Today i've went for 2 long walks, i enjoyed a good meal, and i was analyzing my fear, and if i need help or not,-with help of God.

When I was 4, me and my brother got into a foster family (my mom and dad was arguing and drinking and doing drugs)
So im pretty sure I have feared of being abonded, fear of getting hurt, so that explains why I'm not good socially.. Cause it lies deep in me.
When I was 16, my brother got into mental hospital having scitzophrenic, I had appointment with 4 psychriatrist, that was explaining his situation, and they told me I have same genetics, so I could develop a psychosis easily. That left me SCARED of becoming insane. So thats when i started drinking, to ease my fear of becoming insane-cause I saw how my brother was out of reality, that's also when i wrote poetry, to have my thoughts written physically down, so i could see and analyze if my mind was healthy?..
I later, when I was 19, doing drugs. I remember thinking "Ill take drugs, and ill see if i get mentally ill or not" i couldnt take the unbearebul waiting to be insane.
Anyway, then when I was 21 my mom died, leaving me and my brother orphans. Im not gonna say much, expect that i had much sorrow seeing her loose powers, and i stayed with her for the last 6 months, taking care of her until she died.
After moms death, I had 2 times, where i did drugs, I took too much, on them all, 1 time, methadone, (I luckily woke up)
2 time, a LOT of pills like morphines, and benzo, xanax, etcetc. and Amphetamine and MDMA, that left me with all of sudden being unconcious. (Luckily I woke up after 15 hours, yet was legs were failing me, so when I stood up, i would fall down and be unconcious for an hour, and then waking up, not knowing where i was, and my sight was gone-Like I couldnt see) this is what i was told by those i was with when it happend. almost choking on my own vomit.
Since then, i had death anxiety, cause i dont wanna die, but i was close, and then i panic, thinking im dying..

MY question is, what does Bible say about medicine.
DO you think medicine is a 'need' or okay? Or will it lead to addiction-to be higher?
do YOU think all we need is GODS love?

Sorry for such a long text.

 

[Dino246]

I dont know if this is the forum where i'm supposed to post it.
but here I go.
I guess back story is relevant,
...
MY question is, what does Bible say about medicine.
DO you think medicine is a 'need' or okay? Or will it lead to addiction-to be higher?
do YOU think all we need is GODS love?

Sorry for such a long text.

Thanks for sharing your story, Jakob. Some people take the approach that "all we need to do is pray and trust God and we'll be healthy". Some people do get healed. Others rely on science-based medicine and don't pray at all, and some of them do okay. My view is that it's good to use both.

The Bible does encourage people to pray, and to ask church elders to pray for healing specifically. When it comes to medicine, there isn't much there; medical science was in its infancy 2000 years ago. Paul's encouragement to Timothy, "Take a little wine for your stomach and your frequent illnesses" and Isaiah's direction to apply a poultice of figs suggests a basic understanding of the concept of medicine. Nowhere does the Bible speak against medical treatment for illness.

With regard to addictions, that is a better question for a medical professional, not an anonymous internet chat site. I could offer an uninformed opinion only... for that I'll spare you. There are a few on this site with far more knowledge and experience than me.

 

[Bella37]

From what you have shared, I would recommend you stay with your Mental Health Experts, as they are trained to know what to do & give you & when to. GOD created all, & HE created all Doctors including yours. Medication, needs to be given under the care of the experts. You are worrying too much about the help GOD has sent for you, & the legal medication & side effects, let the experts know all & more that you shared here with CC, as the experts after al,l are the ones that know & have assessed, your mental health, not us here. I am a Mental Health Worker, who is not working at the moment, due to my own much needed medical & physical needs. Pray for your Medical workers, & ask GOD to help you through them, do not let the Enemy of your soul, deceive you any longer into doing things your way that have in the past, nearly taken your life, & always read GODS word, take it into your heart, so that you can use the Word of GOD like a 2 edged sword against the enemies attacks on our mind.
Roman 8 v 15
For I did not give you the Spirit of bondage, again to fear. I gave you The Spirit of Adoption to cry, ABBA Father!

Call to our ABBA Father, HE will never let you down, HE will guide you by HIS Holy Spirit into all truth, deliverance, & Freedom in CHRIST JESUS Whom strengthens, you/us!

Love & Hugs!

Bella xo <><<

 

[Ugly]

Self medicating is wrong, period. Having and taking prescribed medication in healthy doses and in an appropriate schedule is fine. But I believe when it comes to mental illness it should be a last resort, only when nothing else helps.
This whole idea that we don't need doctors or medicine is ridiculous and not at all biblical. I've heard multiple stories of people dying, or their children dying, because they refused medical treatment and rather expected God to heal.
And since the brain is also physical, like the rest of the body, to assume it should be treated differently and not utilize the professions intended to help is also ridiculous.

 

[Deade]

Well Jakob, God uses medicine like He uses everything else. I believe in divine healing. I have received divine healing. I recently went through 2 knee replacement surgeries, after waiting for God to miraculously replace them for years. I did everything the medical doctors told me to do: and they marveled how well I healed, and came through physical therapy.

I don't have answers on why God works the way he does: except that He is God and can work any way He likes. Listen to your doctors, use your common sense. Give your doctors feedback on your reactions to your meds. Know your doctors are not perfect but they generally want what is best for you. Communication with them is the key to good health.

 

[Waggles]

Being responsible about taking your necessary medicines is important.
Following doctors' and psychiatrists' advice and health plans
is also important.

But while you are doing this there is also another way -

In my Pentecostal church, I and many others have testimonies to
being healed from drug addictions and from being junkies; and also
from psychosis induced by our drug taking.

I was a real mess and often saw and interacted with people that
were not really there. I was totally addicted to speed and marijuana,
along with alcohol and cigarettes.
You know like have a bong when I woke up in the morning before a coffee.

One day I read a testimony from a former junkie who had been delivered from
her drug addiction lifestyle [heroin for her] and also had been healed from
Hepatitis C through embracing the gospel of salvation.

I was really challenged by this and allowed a man to open up his Bible and
read out scriptures about being born again and being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

So I repented about my sinful life and got water baptized by full immersion
confessing my faith in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.
And a month later in the prayer room where I was seeking to be baptized in
the Holy Spirit; on the 1st December 1996 I received the indwelling Holy Spirit
and spoke out in tongues.

That very day, right there and then, God instantly healed me and set me free
from all my drug addictions and the lifestyle that goes with this.
Yep, even cigarettes just like that, instantly.
Not only did the Lord take away my addictions but He also healed my kidneys
a few days later. I had a lot of blood in my urine.

And I am not alone; my testimony is fairly common in Pentecostal churches.
We have an Assembly (congregation) or two in the U.S.A. so here is the link
to find out more about what God can do for you.

Home - THE REVIVAL FELLOWSHIP, FRESNO

Medicines are necessary until you no longer need them after God has
healed you.
But healing from God is better.

 

[Nehemiah6]

From what you have shared, I would recommend you stay with your Mental Health Experts, as they are trained to know what to do & give you & when to.

Well the record shows that the so-called "mental health experts" are as clueless as their patients. All human issues are ultimately SPIRITUAL, and the mental health experts (by and large) deliberately ignore the spiritual, therefore they never have the solutions. But they do create problems instead, and sometimes very serious problems with their drugs and dope.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Well the record shows that the so-called "mental health experts" are as clueless as their patients. All human issues are ultimately SPIRITUAL, and the mental health experts (by and large) deliberately ignore the spiritual, therefore they never have the solutions. But they do create problems instead, and sometimes very serious problems with their drugs and dope.

I have to agree...After being under the mental health act for 30 plus years , I have been labeled with so many different things that I ended up telling people I am Bi-polar , I have a personality disorder , I have this , and I am that...All these tags were given to me with drugs to numb me that in the end I had no motivation for anything , not even for living , that was till God called me...

Since I been born again , I have not needed meds , I have not one psychotic episode although I must admit my mental health has been down these past few weeks but God is the lifter of my head...

I know that many out there need to take their meds , but if possible get help from a Christian counselor , because before I was born again , I never knew there was a spiritual warfare going on , and now I do I can fight it with the Word of God...xox...

 

[Waggles]

do YOU think all we need is GODS love?

YES it is what the gospel is all about.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16-17

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time
Christ died for the ungodly.
8 But God demonstrates his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
Romans 5:

The love of God is of sacrifice, laying down his life so that we as disciples
of Christ Jesus could obtain the promise and hope of life eternal.

And in the meantime while we live in this world the love of God is also
given unto us by the indwelling Holy Spirit who sets us free and helps us
to grow in love and patience, and peace and kindness.

 

[Shc]

Laughter is a also a good medicine. Maybe watching a show like AFV will help.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Hello Jakob! As someone who struggled with severe alcoholism in the past I can only say that for me, I was not set free by any number of mental health professionals or secular rehabs. Only when I allowed Jesus to take away my addiction was I able to stay sober. I have just under 3 years now but in reality I have only today. When I am able to rest in the Lord He keeps me sober. I am in no way, shape or form telling you to stop seeing your doctors. I would advise that you check out a Christ based 12 step program like celebrate recovery, get involved and stick with it. Praying for you!

 

[Ariel82]

i agree with those who recommend you find a local Christian based drug rehab program and a good Christian counselor that you can talk about your fears and can pray with you.

the Bible says that taking medicine is fine. However from what little you have said, medicine will not fix what you need fix which is your heart and mind. Just a lot of sound counsel and prayer from fellow believers who love you and the Holy Spirit teaching and leading you to His truth.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The leading cause of death in America between the ages of 10 and 18 is suicide. If the child grows up in a none Godly home, Satan will come after the child. All forms of anxiety in a child or an adult is called oppression because Grace is frustrated; Now Satan forces are coming against the born-again Believer because the hedge is down (Eccl. 10:8). And the only cure is for the born-again Believer to place their Faith and maintain it exclusively in Christ (who He is) and the Cross (what He has done at Calvary Cross where the victory was won). This allows the Holy Spirit who is the full armor of God to protect you [Grace] (Romans 8:2). Jesus speaks to born-again Believer about anxiety and worry in Matthew 6. He tells us to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all these things will be added (Matthew 6:33). If this is missing, then you have just identified the sin. So you get to take care of you! Many born-again Believers can't sleep without taking medicine to sleep or cope. But the bible says God gives sweet sleep.

 

[Deade]

Well Jakob, here is my experience with secular mental health programs. I was a special needs children's foster parent in California and Oklahoma. I have noticed a trend for the doctors to overprescribe Ritalin. It makes the children more controllable, but keeps them over sedated to the point they can't function. You need to keep an eye on that. I used to work with the medical doctors to wing the children off some of their meds.

I have also given counselling services in the mission field. It helps to have a Christian perspective on that. If you are getting secular counselling services, you should try to find a Christian Minister to counter some of the Freudian aspects. Many times you can get free Christian backup services.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The leading cause of death in America between the ages of 10 and 18 is suicide. If the child grows up in a none Godly home, Satan will come after the child. All forms of anxiety in a child or an adult is called oppression because Grace is frustrated; Now Satan forces are coming against the born-again Believer because the hedge is down (Eccl. 10:8). And the only cure is for the born-again Believer to place their Faith and maintain it exclusively in Christ (who He is) and the Cross (what He has done at Calvary Cross where the victory was won). This allows the Holy Spirit who is the full armor of God to protect you [Grace] (Romans 8:2). Jesus speaks to born-again Believer about anxiety and worry in Matthew 6. He tells us to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all these things will be added (Matthew 6:33). If this is missing, then you have just identified the sin. So you get to take care of you! Many born-again Believers can't sleep without taking medicine to sleep or cope. But the bible says God gives sweet sleep.

Oppression does not have anything to do with sin being in the life of the Believer, although that may be the case. It refers to Satan, through His Demon Spirits, overcoming a person in various ways, whether with sickness, poverty, depression, etc. Any born-again Believer whose Faith is not placed and maintained exclusively in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won will be taken captive by Satan.

 

[Depleted]

I dont know if this is the forum where i'm supposed to post it.
but here I go.
I guess back story is relevant,

From 2013 to 2017 i was very self-medicated, booze and drugs. I've been sober for 4 months, and clean for 2 months, with Gods help! It's been a long and taughful journey, i was very addictive to have an intoxicated mind, (High or drunk), cause then everything would be easier, like anxiety and socially. I knew it was a problem in 2015' when I realized I needed more and more, for it to have same effect.
I've been feeling way better since i've stopped, but it's also hard to face your problems, and feelings.
I've gotten a lot of help and support, like going to AA meetings, etc.

This monday I went to see a psychriatrist, he said I may have ADD, cause I said I have a hard time focusing on ONE thing- so he gave me Ritalin (to try for 1 week, to see if it was better)
I was on Ritalin tuesday-friday (but I didnt take one today) and here's WHY, and my upcoming questions!

Tuesday, first day on Ritalin i zoned out, all day- I didnt turn on my TV, i didnt go out, I just enjoyed my body resting, and the little "high" there is.Staring into the air, litteraly doing nothing. I got the same side affects as when i tried Amphetamine couple of years ago.
Wednesday was better, I still enjoyed the high, and enjoyed being able to focus on one thing. But I had so much anxiousity and panic attack that I was dying, (Taking pills makes me have panic attacks, cause I think i get all the side affects thats rare like Psychosis, heart attack)..
Thursday i also took the pill, and i had this weird feeling, that i hated how much i enjoyed it, and how its weird I got support to stop being high, now I get support for being high, its all upside down.
I know Ritalin pills, are carefully dosage, unlike the street drugs.
I stopped today, simply because I was praying yesterday, and I talked to God about it. I figured i was gonna stop before I get addictive to ritalin, and reliant on medicine, and when i dont get body relaxing and the little 'high' ill ask to have more pills legally by my psychriatrist... and i dont want that.

Today i've went for 2 long walks, i enjoyed a good meal, and i was analyzing my fear, and if i need help or not,-with help of God.

When I was 4, me and my brother got into a foster family (my mom and dad was arguing and drinking and doing drugs)
So im pretty sure I have feared of being abonded, fear of getting hurt, so that explains why I'm not good socially.. Cause it lies deep in me.
When I was 16, my brother got into mental hospital having scitzophrenic, I had appointment with 4 psychriatrist, that was explaining his situation, and they told me I have same genetics, so I could develop a psychosis easily. That left me SCARED of becoming insane. So thats when i started drinking, to ease my fear of becoming insane-cause I saw how my brother was out of reality, that's also when i wrote poetry, to have my thoughts written physically down, so i could see and analyze if my mind was healthy?..
I later, when I was 19, doing drugs. I remember thinking "Ill take drugs, and ill see if i get mentally ill or not" i couldnt take the unbearebul waiting to be insane.
Anyway, then when I was 21 my mom died, leaving me and my brother orphans. Im not gonna say much, expect that i had much sorrow seeing her loose powers, and i stayed with her for the last 6 months, taking care of her until she died.
After moms death, I had 2 times, where i did drugs, I took too much, on them all, 1 time, methadone, (I luckily woke up)
2 time, a LOT of pills like morphines, and benzo, xanax, etcetc. and Amphetamine and MDMA, that left me with all of sudden being unconcious. (Luckily I woke up after 15 hours, yet was legs were failing me, so when I stood up, i would fall down and be unconcious for an hour, and then waking up, not knowing where i was, and my sight was gone-Like I couldnt see) this is what i was told by those i was with when it happend. almost choking on my own vomit.
Since then, i had death anxiety, cause i dont wanna die, but i was close, and then i panic, thinking im dying..

MY question is, what does Bible say about medicine.
DO you think medicine is a 'need' or okay? Or will it lead to addiction-to be higher?
do YOU think all we need is GODS love?

Sorry for such a long text.

Did you tell the shrink you're an addict? If you did, get a new shrink. He's an idiot. If you didn't, tell him. No way should an addict be on ritalin to enjoy the high. Legal highs are still highs.