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.....44) or every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

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And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


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Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:


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He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


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But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

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In verses 48 and 49, we find two different foundations with two different results. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the earth and it collapses.

The rock that the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise, hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them.

*The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus, as we see with false religions and cults.
 
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its my favorite ELEPHANT!

God bless you too.
 
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In verses 48 and 49, we find two different foundations with two different results. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the earth and it collapses.

The rock that the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise, hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them.

*The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus, as we see with false religions and cults.
I think you missed what Jesus was saying. He wasn't saying that he was the rock to build on. He was saying a man's WORKS are that rock.
 

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I think you missed what Jesus was saying. He wasn't saying that he was the rock to build on. He was saying a man's WORKS are that rock.
Jesus is the rock, not our works and works are not the foundation, but they are built on the foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
 
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In verses 48 and 49, we find two different foundations with two different results. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the earth and it collapses.

The rock that the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise, hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them.

*The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus, as we see with false religions and cults.

I believe this is a very good point on the verses 48-49. Bad fruits are those who are telling people who believe in Christ Jesus, that they aren't doing it right, that having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ isn't enough you need to do more, gotta do more to make God pleased with you.

These are those who twisting scripture to their own benefit, to make themselves feel as though they are doing right., kinda like pharisees, but they can be corrected, and have a change of mind.
 
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Jesus is the rock, not our works and works are not the foundation, but they are built on the foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
But you are missing Jesus' point. He is contrasting a man with WORKS against a man without WORKS.
 
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I believe this is a very good point on the verses 48-49. Bad fruits are those who are telling people who believe in Christ Jesus, that they aren't doing it right, that having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ isn't enough you need to do more, gotta do more to make God pleased with you.

These are those who twisting scripture to their own benefit, to make themselves feel as though they are doing right., kinda like pharisees, but they can be corrected, and have a change of mind.
You aren't hearing Jesus there either.
 
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I think you missed what Jesus was saying. He wasn't saying that he was the rock to build on. He was saying a man's WORKS are that rock.
The word rock speaks of the unseen faith of God by which he reveals His thoughts to flesh and blood.(not coming from flesh and blood. It as the same it in the phrase as it is written. It identifies the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against.

The same it that identifies the faith of God in verse 17 it is reflected in the following verse 18

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.Mat 16:19

Sometime its the little words like it that carry all the weight of the gospel
 
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But you are missing Jesus' point. He is contrasting a man with WORKS against a man without WORKS.
Both men had WORKS.

Both built their house - the house is the work of the man.

Those who hear the Word of God and DO what God's Word tells them to do, have a firm foundation.

Those who hear the Word of God and DO NOT DO what God's Word tells them to do have no foundation.

The flood arising and streams beating vehemently are the trials of this lifetime.

If our house (WORK) is built upon the firm foundation laid out in the Word of God, the floods and streams (trials of this lifetime) will not shake the house. The house is built upon a solid foundation.

If our house (WORK) is built upon our own vain imaginations, the trials of this lifetime will cause great ruin to the house.


Jeremiah 17:5-8 tells us the same truth:

5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.


Those who trust in man (or in their own works) are like the heath in the desert. They do not see when good comes. They do not recognize the good things of God.

Those who trust in the Lord are strong and vibrant. When the heat (trial) comes, they don’t see it because their focus is on God. While they are enduring the trial, they still have peace, joy, love, patience, etc. Because God works within to hold them up. He strengthens and settles us in our trials.
 
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Both men had WORKS.

Both built their house - the house is the work of the man.

Those who hear the Word of God and DO what God's Word tells them to do, have a firm foundation.

Those who hear the Word of God and DO NOT DO what God's Word tells them to do have no foundation.

The flood arising and streams beating vehemently are the trials of this lifetime.

If our house (WORK) is built upon the firm foundation laid out in the Word of God, the floods and streams (trials of this lifetime) will not shake the house. The house is built upon a solid foundation.

If our house (WORK) is built upon our own vain imaginations, the trials of this lifetime will cause great ruin to the house.


Jeremiah 17:5-8 tells us the same truth:

5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.


Those who trust in man (or in their own works) are like the heath in the desert. They do not see when good comes. They do not recognize the good things of God.

Those who trust in the Lord are strong and vibrant. When the heat (trial) comes, they don’t see it because their focus is on God. While they are enduring the trial, they still have peace, joy, love, patience, etc. Because God works within to hold them up. He strengthens and settles us in our trials.
Jesus said only one man had works. You need to read what Jesus said not commentaries.
 
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Jesus said only one man had works. You need to read what Jesus said not commentaries.
Jesus called attention to those who do not do the things (WORKS) He said:

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?



Jesus also called attention to those who do the things (WORKS) He said:

Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:



The example (WORKS) of Luke 6:47:

Luke 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.



The example (WORKS) of Luke 6:46:

Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
 
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This is called the vicissitude of life

Luke 6:46-49 NKJV- Jesus said , it will be "vehement," i.e., strong with every attempt to destroy.

According to the scripture, this will come no matter how much faith a Christian will have.

Question? Is this a test for Christians? Did "Job" go through this vicissitude of life?

All faith will be tested. And greater faith will be tested more. All character will be refined (
Isaiah 48:10 NLT, Psalm 105:19 NLT).
 

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I think you missed what Jesus was saying. He wasn't saying that he was the rock to build on. He was saying a man's WORKS are that rock.
How can a man's works be that rock, since many of them will be simply wood, hay, and stubble? Even gold, silver, and precious stones do not translate into "rock".

The Rock is always Christ Himself, and that designation is used for Him several times in Scripture.
 
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This is called the vicissitude of life

Luke 6:46-49 NKJV- Jesus said , it will be "vehement," i.e., strong with every attempt to destroy.

According to the scripture, this will come no matter how much faith a Christian will have.

Question? Is this a test for Christians? Did "Job" go through this vicissitude of life?

All faith will be tested. And greater faith will be tested more. All character will be refined (
Isaiah 48:10 NLT, Psalm 105:19 NLT).
​Our Faith must be proven genuine before the Believer can operate in it. 1 Peter 1:7
 
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Psalm 84:5-6 / Pastor Jimmy Swaggart Bible Commentary

5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. (There is no blessing to the man who follow the ways of man)

6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. In every Christian life, there are one or more "Valleys of Baca." We are placed there by the "LORD of Hosts," for our Spiritual Enrichment. It is the intention of the Holy Spirit to teach us the lesson He desires to teach, which He does in the "Valley of Baca," and then to turn it into a "well."

If the spirit of the Believer is carnal, this valley will only be a valley of weeping. But to the Spiritual Heart, it will be a new nature and an unfailing reservoir of strength and refreshment.

The Holy Spirit also tells us that it is not His intention that we remain there. We are only "passing through." Most of the times, a "Valley of Baca" is put in our path in order that we may come to the end of ourselves and realize that Christ is our Source for everything, while the Cross is the Means.

Every Believer must learn God's prescribe order of victory - The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2)


WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR BELIEVERS TO PLACE THEIR FAITH EXCLUSIVELY IN THE CROSS OF CHRIST?

It is difficult for Believers to place their Faith exclusively in the Cross of Christ because it goes against the flesh.
 
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And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. Exodus 17:11

Amalek was to dwell in the land, but not to reign in it. Romans 6:12 says, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies." The command would be unmeaning if the sin nature were not existing in the Christian. The sin nature dwells in a Believer, but dwells and reigns in an unbeliever.

Let me say this again! Do not miss this!

Works of the flesh
Paul tells us this in the 5th Chapter of Galatians. The entire Book of Galatians, but especially the 5th Chapter, is a warning from Paul to the Church at Galatia, which is also meant for us. The warning is that if they place their faith in anything except “Christ and Him Crucified,” that “Christ shall profit you nothing” (Gal. 5:2).

The Apostle goes on to say that if the Believer doesn’t adhere to the Way of the Spirit, which is the Way of the Cross, then works of the flesh will manifest themselves. He said:

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God” (Gal. 5:19-21).

Now let me say it again, because it is so very important:
If the Believer doesn’t understand the Cross of Christ, as it regards Sanctification, then, in some way, one or more of these “works of the flesh” are going to manifest themselves in his life. As stated, such is inevitable! The first four, “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, and lasciviousness,” are obvious and easily understood. But the modern Christian quickly dismisses “idolatry, witchcraft, and heresies,”
thinking they do not really apply today.

Let us address that:
First of all, any suggested way of victory other than the Cross of Christ, such as the “Purpose Driven Life,” the “Government of Twelve,” the “Word of Faith,” or “Denominationalism,” etc., constitutes idolatry. In effect, it is the same as Old Testament times, when Israel would begin to worship idols instead of Jehovah. To be sure, Israel actually referred to these idols as Jehovah; but the Lord definitely did not look at it in the same manner! And neither does He look any differently at modern idolatry! Furthermore, all of this constitutes “heresies,” in which the modern Church abounds.

Let me say it more clearly:
Any doctrine, way, scheme, or direction made up by men, which means it is devised by men and not by God, is constituted by the Lord as “heresy,” which is a “work of the flesh.”Let me say it again, and because it is so very, very important! Any way other than “Christ and Him Crucified” is, in the eyes of God, “heresy.” Once one begins to understand these “works of the flesh,” these things become more obvious.

The Message of the Cross - Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
 
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And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. Exodus 17:11

Amalek was to dwell in the land, but not to reign in it. Romans 6:12 says, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies." The command would be unmeaning if the sin nature were not existing in the Christian. The sin nature dwells in a Believer, but dwells and reigns in an unbeliever.

Let me say this again! Do not miss this!

Works of the flesh
Paul tells us this in the 5th Chapter of Galatians. The entire Book of Galatians, but especially the 5th Chapter, is a warning from Paul to the Church at Galatia, which is also meant for us. The warning is that if they place their faith in anything except “Christ and Him Crucified,” that “Christ shall profit you nothing” (Gal. 5:2).

The Apostle goes on to say that if the Believer doesn’t adhere to the Way of the Spirit, which is the Way of the Cross, then works of the flesh will manifest themselves. He said:

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God” (Gal. 5:19-21).

Now let me say it again, because it is so very important:
If the Believer doesn’t understand the Cross of Christ, as it regards Sanctification, then, in some way, one or more of these “works of the flesh” are going to manifest themselves in his life. As stated, such is inevitable! The first four, “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, and lasciviousness,” are obvious and easily understood. But the modern Christian quickly dismisses “idolatry, witchcraft, and heresies,”
thinking they do not really apply today.

Let us address that:
First of all, any suggested way of victory other than the Cross of Christ, such as the “Purpose Driven Life,” the “Government of Twelve,” the “Word of Faith,” or “Denominationalism,” etc., constitutes idolatry. In effect, it is the same as Old Testament times, when Israel would begin to worship idols instead of Jehovah. To be sure, Israel actually referred to these idols as Jehovah; but the Lord definitely did not look at it in the same manner! And neither does He look any differently at modern idolatry! Furthermore, all of this constitutes “heresies,” in which the modern Church abounds.

Let me say it more clearly:
Any doctrine, way, scheme, or direction made up by men, which means it is devised by men and not by God, is constituted by the Lord as “heresy,” which is a “work of the flesh.”Let me say it again, and because it is so very, very important! Any way other than “Christ and Him Crucified” is, in the eyes of God, “heresy.” Once one begins to understand these “works of the flesh,” these things become more obvious.

The Message of the Cross - Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
The hands "upheld" signified total dependence on the Lord. When the Believer is totally depending on the Lord, and what He did for us at the Cross, the victory of Christ belongs to us; otherwise, it doesn't!

Exodus 17:12 says, "But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun." (The "Stone," as well, is symbolic of Christ. Moses exhaustion portrays the fact that our own efforts soon result in spiritual burn-out. But once we are in God's glorious way [sitting on the Stone], the victory is ours. "Aaron" was a Type of Christ as our Great High Priest, and "Hur," whose name means "light," speaks to us of the Holy Spirit. This is the help afforded the Child of God. But unfortunately, most Christians are trying to hold up their hands [trusting in God] by their own personal strength, which is doomed to failure.)

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we stay "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).


Exodus 17:13 says, "And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword." (The "sword" here is a Type of the Word of God [Eph. 6:17]. The Word of God holds the answer to every single problem which pertains to "Life and Godliness" [2 Peter 1:3-4].)

The Expositor's Study Bible - Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
 

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Christ is the FOUNDATION. God Himself said so when He said in Zion He laid a CORNERSTONE!

Sorry, but that is Gospel Truth.

Isaiah 28:16) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

1 Peter 2:6-8 King James Version (KJV)

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

 

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Christ is the FOUNDATION. God Himself said so when He said in Zion He laid a CORNERSTONE!
That is correct. To understand this metaphor, we should visualize a building (the Church) which is built on bedrock, has a solid foundation, and a secondary foundation over that. Christ is (a) the bedrock, hence the Rock, (b) the Foundation, (c) the Cornerstone (which is the stone that forms the base of a corner where two walls are joined), and (d) the apostles and prophets as the secondary foundation built upon Christ.

At the same time He is the "stumbling Stone" and "the Rock of offence" to those who refuse to believe on Him. As Scripture says, they will be ground into power by this Stone.