When a cussing heroin addict shows up at church.

[7777pinacled]

Post,

are we missing something here in this Thread? Please teach us the message that
you have discerned, for our will is to always learn and grow closer into our
Saviour's bosom...

I'm sorry if what I have posted is difficult for some to grasp at the moment.

Look closely at what was written on the internet page, and sincerely ask the Lord if he would speak, or even teach such things.

Similar to laban, manipulators and abusers fit this M.O. precisely.
And they will not hesitate to pacify a victim.

Be vigilant until you can play over the hole of the asp.

Pray for those who mistreat you dosent mean willingly tolerate the abuser.
The Lord All Mighty Knows my Heart.

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 25:35-40 King James Version (KJV)

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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[posthuman]

I also remember all the men wearing thier suits to Church to look good, I thing that was great for them for me I am not a suit wearer. I did start wearing a tie to Church when I first became a believer, but have since repented from it and wear casual attire. I believe they call it business casual attire now, any way don't know why I started talking about that, but I do not think it matters what a person wears to Church as long as the person shows up to hear the Word of God so that they might grow in the Lord as II Peter 3:17-18 tells us.

i know whenever i wear a suit to church, i sure get judged by what i'm dressed in. ((!))

"you look nice" etc

i mean, c'mon...

 

[posthuman]

Post,

are we missing something here in this Thread? Please teach us the message that
you have discerned, for our will is to always learn and grow closer into our
Saviour's bosom...

it's, Jesus is saying that the people He's talking to, which is me, and y'all, are evil.
and we know how to give good gifts!
but 7pin is saying, 'address the evil, ye cowards: druggers' -- and are those good gifts or evil? but Jesus says you people who know how to give good gifts, you're evil too.

that's relevant here, right?
that's me that's evil -- but i like what Ravi said too, Christ came to make the dead, alive

 

[prove-all]

Like i said before, cowards refuse to address the evil that is the issue.
And that is the drug cartels and pushers.

Well I think you have put to much blame on the drug cartels and pushers.
Without people wanting and using drugs, there would be no demand for
there product. The people who do drugs illegal are guilty as well as there sellers.

 

[prove-all]

Originally Posted by 7777pinacled
Like i said before, cowards refuse to address the evil that is the issue.
And that is the drug cartels and pushers.

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the main problem of evil is....


“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God;
for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
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Satan, Hebrew for "Adversary," also known as the Adversary, the dragon,
the ancient serpent, and the Slanderer is head of the forces of evil.

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7),
but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

 

[7777pinacled]

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,
how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask Him!
(Matthew 7:11)

​

ahem.

previously addressed

"Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah."

Amen.
My emphasis would be on generation.

 

[7777pinacled]

Originally Posted by 7777pinacled
Like i said before, cowards refuse to address the evil that is the issue.
And that is the drug cartels and pushers.

-

the main problem of evil is....


“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God;
for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
-

Satan, Hebrew for "Adversary," also known as the Adversary, the dragon,
the ancient serpent, and the Slanderer is head of the forces of evil.

God gives Satan power to try us (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7),
but Satan will eventually lose that power (1 Corinthians 15:24).

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Greetings and Doxology
4 John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c]
So shall it be! Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John’s Vision of Christ
9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels[e] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

 

[posthuman]

"Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah."

Amen.
My emphasis would be on generation.

Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.
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[posthuman]

Look closely at what was written on the internet page, and sincerely

what about the actual story linked in the OP?

or, if you'd rather talk about the worst things you can find by followign links from the page, instead of what the OP's actually about, you might try looking closely at the article in question, esp. down at the bottom where it says "this article originally appeared here.." -- linking to this website:

http://scottsauls.com/blog/2018/01/22/when-a-cussing-heroin-addict-shows-up-at-church/

so long as you insist on attacking the source rather than talking about the subject, you might do well to attack the actual source, or as close as you can get to it, this guy Scott's blog, not the site Lynn found it at.

 

[7777pinacled]

what about the actual story linked in the OP?

or, if you'd rather talk about the worst things you can find by followign links from the page, instead of what the OP's actually about, you might try looking closely at the article in question, esp. down at the bottom where it says "this article originally appeared here.." -- linking to this website:

http://scottsauls.com/blog/2018/01/22/when-a-cussing-heroin-addict-shows-up-at-church/

so long as you insist on attacking the source rather than talking about the subject, you might do well to attack the actual source, or as close as you can get to it, this guy Scott's blog, not the site Lynn found it at.

yeah, not of God.

"demoniac-prostitute Mary Magdalene and the coward-betrayer"Peter?

 

[posthuman]

i guess it's like they say,

can anything good come out of Nazareth? ​

 

[7777pinacled]

i guess it's like they say,

can anything good come out of Nazareth? ​

I Hope and pray new believers will stay away from the internet and read and study the Word with the Comforter.

Our Lord has Graciously provided us all with the Holy Scriptures to read.
And seek fellowship with a congregation.

Services are provided every Sunday morning.

 

[Lighthearted]

It's important to remember that reaching out with open arms to others in need is what we are called to do as the body of Christ. The church belongs to Him and if we push others from His house, we are ultimately pushing them away from finding Him. If we aren't reaching out to our communities then we should take our church signs down and close the doors.

Thank you sis for sharing and reminding me with this story to have a humble heart. Not one of pride and boastfulness. A heart of love for others to see His love shining through all my mended cracks.

 

[oldethennew]

come on, 7777777777! do really believe that many of us don't know who you really are???
and what your continuing blubbering agenda truly is??? why don't you find a site that will
tolerate you and what you are trying to 'sell'??? please, leave us who Love and Adore
our Holy Saviour alone - for your time is very short...so why not go and align with those
who serve the god of this world??? you are wasting your time here!!!

 

[Johnny_B]

Elephant bells! (What you called "super bell bottoms.") Mine were high-waisted, (Dad's gf made them for me. Even back then I preferred high-waisted, because of what they now call muffin top. lol) Do you remember that girl that tripped from the huge bell bottoms? You know, right in front of the entire class? Yeah. That was me. lol

It does pain me to see how many did not stay with the Lord since the Jesus Movement.

As for business attire? In 1979, I started going to a new church and liked it. I always wore clean jeans and a nice shirt, (end of disco era, so still had plenty. I was a disco diva, although my attire was closer to KC from KC and the Sunshine Band than Donna Summers, but at least you can imagine the clean shirts I wore.)

One of the women took me under her wings. I was looking for a new job, because my last ended. (Working for that rehab. It was a job through a grant, and the grant lasted 11 months.) I knew it was going to be a short-term job, so I had saved for the end, to keep me going until I found a new job, but she just thought I was broke. The church was kind enough to give some money for me to get job-interview clothes. So, she and I picked out a few outfits to mix and match, and then the next church service I came back in my clean jeans and nice shirt.

Her face dropped and she asked me why I wasn't wearing the new clothes, so I told her because this wasn't a job interview. Only then did I notice all the other women were wearing the kind of skirts and dresses she just bought me. Oopsie. The clothes were really a hint I should dress nicer. I think I shocked her when I told her the Lord has seen me sitting on a toilet, so it's too late to impress him by my outfit.

Thankfully, they didn't push it. Matter of fact, I ended up catching the eye of a guy because I wasn't wearing the uniform of most of the women. We've been married for 37 years now, and those people were friends from our old church -- the one where I really did get dressed to the nines one Saturday -- on our wedding day.

We just reconnected with many from that old church through FB recently. (How did everyone turn old since then? lol) Some of them have chuckled seeing me in jeans still. But they laughed because that's so me.

Meanwhile, you're right, the Lord really has been growing us over the decades. MAN! I feel like I grow at the speed of a jade plant -- it takes a really long time, but when I look back 40 years, I see he has changed me in some good ways.

FB has connected me with some people that I started to go to Church with, all of them have left the Church some are growing in the Lord and the others have shown that they were not part of the body of Christ. It was that type of Church too, it had cultish characteristics to it if someone left the Church you were not susposed to talk to them because they might influance you to believe tha the Church had problems and it did.

I realized that I used the wrong words for my attire, I am not sure where you live but I live in Southern California and I was a heroin addict as well and my heritage is Mexican so I dressed like a Cholo or what people assumed was the Cholo look, people always asked my if I was from Victory Chapel and they always assumed I had done prison time because of the way I looked even with dressing. Just to let you knpow if you are not familar with Victory Chapel a large majority are ex-cons, herion addicts and/or were in gangs. After leaving that first Church, I started attending the Calvary Chapel's and I was really got into studying the Bible and theology, after studying how the 10 commandments bring us to the knowledge of our sins. Which lead to the understanding of how God had to extend His grace to us or we could never be saved by His regenerating grace. Now as an old man people still think that same thing about me, but when they understand that I believe in the Doctrines of Grace it throws them off, not sure why but it does.

I find it interesting that those that are still growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ have not come to understand the Doctrines of Grace. One of them has even written a book on Arminianism and their view of grace, the atonement and thier view of how salvation works or how the order is and he had a website. From what I understand he does not still do the website and I do not know what the name of the book(s) are, others have gone back to thier Pentecostal roots, others have come to understand eternal security and still go to the Calvary Chapel's but do not hold to the Doctrines of Grace.

Since my life has not went as well when it comes to marriage my life has not went as well as yours. I've been married twice, met my first wife in that first Church I attended she stopped going to Church about two years before she left me. She got pregant about 6 months after leaving, I tried to support her through the pregnancy to the point I was in the delivery room with her. I was willing to work it out and it messed me up when after being up all night for the delivery, I went home to take a nap and when I returned the babies father was there, that hurt. But the baby she has never met her real father, she calls me dad, she staied here with me and her sister with-in the last 4 months.

My second wife was also attending Church when I met her, when she left she had a boyfriend with-in 4 months and possibly was dating after leaving me, but I do not know that for sure. That was about 10 years ago and she did something that hurt me deeply, to the point that 6 weeks ago at my sisters 60th birthday party we were looking at pictures and a picture of her daughter was being looked at and I started to cry and was messed up for the rest of the week. I was very much in love with her, my first wife was a basic set up marriage of the Church, I did love her but my second wife was more of someone I fell in love with before we were married, were my first wife I fell in love with after we were married.

So I have had my good times with the Lord and I have had my low times, yet He was with me in those times that caused me to grow in His grace and knowledge of Him, it was a beautiful time of growth.

Anyway I am not trying to bum anyone out so I will stop, pray for me to be healed from the hurt and pain of my second divorce, thanks for all prayers in advance.

 

[oldethennew]

how could we NOT pray for such a lonely and lost soul??? try and keep your heart and desires
on Jesus, else you will stay in a state of a lost soul with out hope...

 

[Lighthearted]

Well I think you have put to much blame on the drug cartels and pushers.
Without people wanting and using drugs, there would be no demand for
there product. The people who do drugs illegal are guilty as well as there sellers.

The issue should be on the woman and her two children. This woman came into the house of God trying to find a better way...

Only God knows what this woman endured during her lifetime...most of us have a story of how we came to the cross. Many of us find ourselves coming back to His table as He shows us time and again how loving and faithful He is...a patient teacher as we learn to deeply love and trust Him.

 

[Lighthearted]

Originally posted by Depleted"...the Lord has seen me sitting on a toilet, so it's too late to impress him by my outfit."


LOL....I know right!

 

[Johnny_B]

It's important to remember that reaching out with open arms to others in need is what we are called to do as the body of Christ. The church belongs to Him and if we push others from His house, we are ultimately pushing them away from finding Him. If we aren't reaching out to our communities then we should take our church signs down and close the doors.

Thank you sis for sharing and reminding me with this story to have a humble heart. Not one of pride and boastfulness. A heart of love for others to see His love shining through all my mended cracks.

Amen Sister, we all need to have hearts that are humble towards those that are new to the faith, it is up to us to extend the love of Christ to those that have just experienced, Romans 5:8-11 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.”

Think back to that time that the Holy Spirit had set you free, John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” Now that we are freed to believe/have faith and repent it is something that we have never expirienced so a guiding hand would be welcomed. Without even knowing it a simple word of encouragement goes a long way. My brother-in-law has told me that some words that I related to him as a new believer helped him to understandwhat was happening in his life. He was feeling like he did not belong and that the Lord could not save him.all I said was if the Lord could save a guy like me He could save anyone. I know not the best theology in the world, but at the time he did not need perfect theology he just needed someone to relate to him and the Lord used me to start.

I know that my first pastor did the same thing for me, he held up an outreach so that he could team me up with another brother that was a heroin addict when the Lord set him free. I remember the brother relating his testamony to me on how he had his sluggles when he first believed in the Lord and it helped me when I was going through the same thing.

We never know when or what a owrd of encouragement can do to help a new believer.