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Cane Ridge, Kentucky, United States was the site, in 1801, of a large camp meeting that drew thousands of people and had a lasting influence as one of the landmark events of the Second Great Awakening. Methodists, Baptists and Presbyterians all participated, and many of the "spiritual exercises", such as glossolalia, were exhibited that later became more associated with the Pentecostal movement. Perhaps the most lasting legacy of Cane Ridge was a formalization of what would become known as the Restoration Movement, which was the origin of the Disciples of Christ, the Churches of Christ, the Evangelical Christian Church in Canada,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and several smaller groups.
Cane Ridge, Kentucky, United States was the site, in 1801, of a large camp meeting that drew thousands of people and had a lasting influence as one of the landmark events of the Second Great Awakening. Methodists, Baptists and Presbyterians all participated, and many of the "spiritual exercises", such as glossolalia, were exhibited that later became more associated with the Pentecostal movement. Perhaps the most lasting legacy of Cane Ridge was a formalization of what would become known as the Restoration Movement, which was the origin of the Disciples of Christ, the Churches of Christ, the Evangelical Christian Church in Canada,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and several smaller groups.
You can find a bit of a study on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit (including the gift of tongues) Here.
If you are a true seeker of truth and approach it with an open mind (like the Bereans, Acts 17v10-12), it will answer all your questions, but if you are not a seeker of truth but simply a closed minded skeptic, don't bother reading it as you will get absolutely nothing out of it endeavouring you to just remain in your darkness on this subject!
Yahweh Shalom...
If you are a true seeker of truth and approach it with an open mind (like the Bereans, Acts 17v10-12), it will answer all your questions, but if you are not a seeker of truth but simply a closed minded skeptic, don't bother reading it as you will get absolutely nothing out of it endeavouring you to just remain in your darkness on this subject!
Yahweh Shalom...
Speaking in tongues is the ONLY Bible evidence or sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
When one receives the indwelling Holy Spirit a disciple speaks forth in a new or other tongue,
that is their own personal spiritual language directly to God.
This is how we can worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
Also we are commanded to build up our most holy faith and to pray in the Holy Ghost.
Jude 1:20
Get down on your knees and start praying in tongues again for it is your salvation.
Do not be a foolish virgin and let your lamp run out.
When one receives the indwelling Holy Spirit a disciple speaks forth in a new or other tongue,
that is their own personal spiritual language directly to God.
This is how we can worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
Also we are commanded to build up our most holy faith and to pray in the Holy Ghost.
Jude 1:20
Get down on your knees and start praying in tongues again for it is your salvation.
Do not be a foolish virgin and let your lamp run out.
Rudeness does not become a Christian nor give any credibility to yourself.
As for glasses I live in a society where we can purchase spectacles easily enough;
BUT in third world countries where the saints do not have access to optometrists or doctors
they have the necessary miracles - the blind miraculously gain their sight, the lame and crippled
are raised up and can walk without their sticks and crutches.
Here in Australia we have different miracles - more often pertaining to cancers and injuries.
Only yesterday I went out in the prayer line and called on the Lord to uphold my testimony by
healing me from crippling degenerative arthritis: and he rewarded my faith and my prayer and
healed me. Today I can walk upright and my lower spine and hips have no pain.
As for glasses I live in a society where we can purchase spectacles easily enough;
BUT in third world countries where the saints do not have access to optometrists or doctors
they have the necessary miracles - the blind miraculously gain their sight, the lame and crippled
are raised up and can walk without their sticks and crutches.
Here in Australia we have different miracles - more often pertaining to cancers and injuries.
Only yesterday I went out in the prayer line and called on the Lord to uphold my testimony by
healing me from crippling degenerative arthritis: and he rewarded my faith and my prayer and
healed me. Today I can walk upright and my lower spine and hips have no pain.
Actually I believe in God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and nowhere did Paul promote receiving any of those gifts by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.....[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
It is the supernatural tongue in the world that is vain & profane babbling that is gained by those who claimed that they had received the Holy Spirit separate from salvation or that they had received another baptism of the Holy Ghost again by that sign of tongue which IS WHY IT never comes with interpretation, because it is not of Him as God is not the author of confusion.
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Matthew 12:[SUP]39 [/SUP]But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
So it depends on what kind of supernatural tongue you are talking about and how you gained that tongue; if by apostasy by claiming to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation by that sign of tongues, then I can say you do not have the real God's gift of tongues.
Those that seek spiritual gift are to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gift and not by seeking to receive the Holy spirit apart from salvation, but by asking Jesus Christ for it at that throne of grace; no extra supernatural filling required.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Psalm 27:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.....[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
It is the supernatural tongue in the world that is vain & profane babbling that is gained by those who claimed that they had received the Holy Spirit separate from salvation or that they had received another baptism of the Holy Ghost again by that sign of tongue which IS WHY IT never comes with interpretation, because it is not of Him as God is not the author of confusion.
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Matthew 12:[SUP]39 [/SUP]But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
So it depends on what kind of supernatural tongue you are talking about and how you gained that tongue; if by apostasy by claiming to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation by that sign of tongues, then I can say you do not have the real God's gift of tongues.
Those that seek spiritual gift are to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gift and not by seeking to receive the Holy spirit apart from salvation, but by asking Jesus Christ for it at that throne of grace; no extra supernatural filling required.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 Timothy 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Psalm 27:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
That was not what Paul was saying and let every other believer read 1 Corinthians 14th chapter to see for themselves at this link at Bible gateway;
If you read that chapter with His help, Paul was talking about the topic of when believers are being zealous in seeking spiritual gifts, that they were to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts and began to explain why prophesy is better by comparing it against tongues as that tongue spoken of in verse 2 is the same tongue spoken of thru out that chapter as needing interpretation for that tongue speaker to be truly edified and thus fruitful to the tongue speaker when understood.
Paul was not "also" advocating for why tongues is so much better than prophesy by itself; that would be self defeating. No one would seek the gift of prophesy then just as tongue speakers are not seeking teh gift of prophesy NOW !!!!
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy...[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
That is the topic for the chapter; let every reader see how Paul is proving why prophesy is the gift to seek after. It sure wasn't tongues without interpretation.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+14&version=KJV
If you read that chapter with His help, Paul was talking about the topic of when believers are being zealous in seeking spiritual gifts, that they were to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts and began to explain why prophesy is better by comparing it against tongues as that tongue spoken of in verse 2 is the same tongue spoken of thru out that chapter as needing interpretation for that tongue speaker to be truly edified and thus fruitful to the tongue speaker when understood.
Paul was not "also" advocating for why tongues is so much better than prophesy by itself; that would be self defeating. No one would seek the gift of prophesy then just as tongue speakers are not seeking teh gift of prophesy NOW !!!!
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy...[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
That is the topic for the chapter; let every reader see how Paul is proving why prophesy is the gift to seek after. It sure wasn't tongues without interpretation.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+14&version=KJV
It amazes me that you continue to speculate so wildly... not only to what I allegedly claim, but now to what Paul was talking about! The Scripture is quite clear; "Let the one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret". It's incumbent upon you to explain why Paul would waste his time advocating that anyone "pray that he may interpret" , or instructing "if there is no interpreter..." if the interpretation came automatically every time, or if the Holy Spirit never gave a tongue without interpretation.
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I see much discussion in many places about this gift. Strangely most comes from those denying and not comprehending it's use or value. Believers in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues are attacked with vigor so many times that they hesitate to even comment or give testimony. Such things among believers ought not to be. Amen
The tongues spoken aloud in a church meeting are for interpretation. One person gives a message in tongues and the Holy Spirit gives the interpretation to another. This will be a prophetic word for encouragement, correction or whatever the Lord wants said. Believers in a service may pray quietly to themselves in tongues so as not to interfere with God's moving. Let everything be done decently and in order. Amen
The gift is primarily for the building up of the believer as brother Jude says in Jude vs. 20. Everywhere in the new testament "letters" that refers to prayer in the spirit is referring to prayer in tongues. This is the way that we who have this gift normally refer to it. Prayer in the spirit.
As I prayed in the spirit on Tuesday, October 29,1979 at my home I realized that the Holy Spirit was giving me the translation. In short He was telling me that my wife was pregnant. This was after fourteen years of a childless marriage and doctors had told us my wife could not conceive. After being saved and afterwards being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the accompanying gift of tongues the Lord had begun to tell us of the son He was going to send us. This was the ending chapter of many things. Our son was born about nine months later. We'd heard from God and it came to pass. Our son is a man of God.
When we pray in the spirit it is a wonderful pouring out of your spirit man to the Lord that the devil cannot understand. The enemy tries everything to hinder your praying in the spirit. Thoughts come, distractions, all sorts of things to try and stop your prayers. Anytime you are praying in the spirit it is as if you were dropping spiritual bombs on the darkness. God gave this gift not as some bauble or curiosity or for idle discussion but as a serious weapon and wonderful gift for building up your spirit man. It is a GIFT from God. Amen
Paul tells us that we "give thanks well" by prayer in the spirit - speaking in tongues. After prayer in the spirit for half an hour or hour your spirit is joyful and energized. Again we think back to brother Jude, verse 20. Keep yourself built up by prayer in the spirit. What of unbelievers?
Jude 1:18-19 (NKJV)
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
There is so much more to this gift than I can discuss in a short time. I was not going to church when Jesus came for me (read Ezekiel chapter 34 where God goes to fetch His own sheep).He saved me, caused me to be born again them baptized me in His Holy Spirit. I had to search out what had happened to me in the Bible. I was 33 years old. This all happen outside church walls. No church people ever told me about God's love, just "come to our church". Remember that age of 33? Jesus chose to start living in me at the same age He gave His life for us. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!
In the old testament there are many scriptures that pertain to this gift and it's use. I will just mention a few. These in Job are awaiting the gift of tongues.
Job 29:21 — Job 29:23 (NKJV)
“Men listened to me and waited,
And kept silence for my counsel.
After my words they did not speak again,
And my speech settled on them as dew.
They waited for me as for the rain,
And they opened their mouth wide as for the spring rain.
The following verses are regarding a call by the Holy Spirit to intercessory prayer in the spirit - tongues...
Job 32:18 — Job 32:20 (NKJV)
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent;
It is ready to burst like new wineskins.
I will speak, that I may find relief;
I must open my lips and answer.
The internal pressure lessens as God's call to prayer is fulfilled. This is something that has to be experienced in order to deepen understanding of it.
These scriptures refer to the building up, the rest that comes as we pray in the spirit as brother Jude says...
Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
We see that unbelievers are referred to in the last line.
The PURE language. The gift of tongues cannot be perverted as it is a pure prayer directly from our spirit man to God. No thinking is involved.
Zephaniah 3:9 KJVS
then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.
The pure language mentioned is praying in the spirit, tongues. Reference Jude, Ephesians 6th chapter, 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Mark 16th chapter.
Job 37:19 KJVS
Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.
How long can you pray with your mere understanding? Not long. Not for hours on end. Only prayer in the prayer language, tongues, can continue without ceasing. The language may be either a known one or an unknown one. Tongues of men AND of angels Paul says in 1Corinthians 13.
"Forbid not" he states in 1Corinthians 14. This tells us that there were already present those false teachers attempting to throw out this gift of God. He was admonishing them to stop this discouragement of the gift. Amen
1 Corinthians 14:34, 38-39 (NKJV)
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
I have been praying in tongues - the spirit - for forty years this October. Often after praying for a good while (we are told by brother Paul to pray and sing both in the spirit, tongues that is, and with our understanding) in the spirit the Lord will give you scriptures, a word or insight to scriptures or some problem you've been dealing with or etc. It's a wonderful thing and I know that through this gift the Holy Spirit has us shown many things and brought down works of the enemy.
It really is distressing to see so much of the body of Christ deprived of the gift of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues by unbelief and tradition. The foolish things of the world it is written are used by God to pull down the fleshly wisdom of men. He takes ignorant men such as I was and he's them to broadcast his wonderful message. Denominational tradition and men having not the Holy Spirit or the gift, many not even saved, teach against the word of God. America's churches are in a sad state. We need Revival. When God's spirit sweeps in you won't have to ask if it's real. Amen
The Holy Spirit is the powerful helper Jesus promised us. Jesus is the baptizer. Every instance of men being baptized in the Holy Spirit in the new testament they are given the gift of tongues. All of those on the day of Pentecost were already believers. Those men in Acts chapter 19 that were brought to paul were already believers. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit SINCE they believed. They hadn't. They received the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues.
In Acts chapter 10 Cornelius and the gentiles with him, were baptized in the Holy Spirit (He fell on them as Peter preached) and began to speak in tongues. Afterwards they were water baptized. The Lord saved me at home, baptized me in the Holy Spirit at home and some time later I was water baptized when we joined a church that taught the Holy Spirit baptism.
As Paul, I can only speak the things I've seen and heard and experienced as they agree completely with the written word. Everything God gives us is for the good of the believer, is for us His children. I would urge all believers to simply follow these new testament believers in Acts 17 and not traditions of men or denominations.
Acts 17:11-13 (NKJV)
11 These were MORE FAIR-MINDED than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and SEARCHED the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
12 Therefore MANY of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.
13 BUT when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
Brothers and sisters, follow those in verse 11, not those in verse 13. Amen
And I think that I also have the spirit of God, Amen
The tongues spoken aloud in a church meeting are for interpretation. One person gives a message in tongues and the Holy Spirit gives the interpretation to another. This will be a prophetic word for encouragement, correction or whatever the Lord wants said. Believers in a service may pray quietly to themselves in tongues so as not to interfere with God's moving. Let everything be done decently and in order. Amen
The gift is primarily for the building up of the believer as brother Jude says in Jude vs. 20. Everywhere in the new testament "letters" that refers to prayer in the spirit is referring to prayer in tongues. This is the way that we who have this gift normally refer to it. Prayer in the spirit.
As I prayed in the spirit on Tuesday, October 29,1979 at my home I realized that the Holy Spirit was giving me the translation. In short He was telling me that my wife was pregnant. This was after fourteen years of a childless marriage and doctors had told us my wife could not conceive. After being saved and afterwards being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the accompanying gift of tongues the Lord had begun to tell us of the son He was going to send us. This was the ending chapter of many things. Our son was born about nine months later. We'd heard from God and it came to pass. Our son is a man of God.
When we pray in the spirit it is a wonderful pouring out of your spirit man to the Lord that the devil cannot understand. The enemy tries everything to hinder your praying in the spirit. Thoughts come, distractions, all sorts of things to try and stop your prayers. Anytime you are praying in the spirit it is as if you were dropping spiritual bombs on the darkness. God gave this gift not as some bauble or curiosity or for idle discussion but as a serious weapon and wonderful gift for building up your spirit man. It is a GIFT from God. Amen
Paul tells us that we "give thanks well" by prayer in the spirit - speaking in tongues. After prayer in the spirit for half an hour or hour your spirit is joyful and energized. Again we think back to brother Jude, verse 20. Keep yourself built up by prayer in the spirit. What of unbelievers?
Jude 1:18-19 (NKJV)
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
There is so much more to this gift than I can discuss in a short time. I was not going to church when Jesus came for me (read Ezekiel chapter 34 where God goes to fetch His own sheep).He saved me, caused me to be born again them baptized me in His Holy Spirit. I had to search out what had happened to me in the Bible. I was 33 years old. This all happen outside church walls. No church people ever told me about God's love, just "come to our church". Remember that age of 33? Jesus chose to start living in me at the same age He gave His life for us. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!
In the old testament there are many scriptures that pertain to this gift and it's use. I will just mention a few. These in Job are awaiting the gift of tongues.
Job 29:21 — Job 29:23 (NKJV)
“Men listened to me and waited,
And kept silence for my counsel.
After my words they did not speak again,
And my speech settled on them as dew.
They waited for me as for the rain,
And they opened their mouth wide as for the spring rain.
The following verses are regarding a call by the Holy Spirit to intercessory prayer in the spirit - tongues...
Job 32:18 — Job 32:20 (NKJV)
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent;
It is ready to burst like new wineskins.
I will speak, that I may find relief;
I must open my lips and answer.
The internal pressure lessens as God's call to prayer is fulfilled. This is something that has to be experienced in order to deepen understanding of it.
These scriptures refer to the building up, the rest that comes as we pray in the spirit as brother Jude says...
Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
We see that unbelievers are referred to in the last line.
The PURE language. The gift of tongues cannot be perverted as it is a pure prayer directly from our spirit man to God. No thinking is involved.
Zephaniah 3:9 KJVS
then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.
The pure language mentioned is praying in the spirit, tongues. Reference Jude, Ephesians 6th chapter, 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, Mark 16th chapter.
Job 37:19 KJVS
Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.
How long can you pray with your mere understanding? Not long. Not for hours on end. Only prayer in the prayer language, tongues, can continue without ceasing. The language may be either a known one or an unknown one. Tongues of men AND of angels Paul says in 1Corinthians 13.
"Forbid not" he states in 1Corinthians 14. This tells us that there were already present those false teachers attempting to throw out this gift of God. He was admonishing them to stop this discouragement of the gift. Amen
1 Corinthians 14:34, 38-39 (NKJV)
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
I have been praying in tongues - the spirit - for forty years this October. Often after praying for a good while (we are told by brother Paul to pray and sing both in the spirit, tongues that is, and with our understanding) in the spirit the Lord will give you scriptures, a word or insight to scriptures or some problem you've been dealing with or etc. It's a wonderful thing and I know that through this gift the Holy Spirit has us shown many things and brought down works of the enemy.
It really is distressing to see so much of the body of Christ deprived of the gift of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gift of tongues by unbelief and tradition. The foolish things of the world it is written are used by God to pull down the fleshly wisdom of men. He takes ignorant men such as I was and he's them to broadcast his wonderful message. Denominational tradition and men having not the Holy Spirit or the gift, many not even saved, teach against the word of God. America's churches are in a sad state. We need Revival. When God's spirit sweeps in you won't have to ask if it's real. Amen
The Holy Spirit is the powerful helper Jesus promised us. Jesus is the baptizer. Every instance of men being baptized in the Holy Spirit in the new testament they are given the gift of tongues. All of those on the day of Pentecost were already believers. Those men in Acts chapter 19 that were brought to paul were already believers. Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit SINCE they believed. They hadn't. They received the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues.
In Acts chapter 10 Cornelius and the gentiles with him, were baptized in the Holy Spirit (He fell on them as Peter preached) and began to speak in tongues. Afterwards they were water baptized. The Lord saved me at home, baptized me in the Holy Spirit at home and some time later I was water baptized when we joined a church that taught the Holy Spirit baptism.
As Paul, I can only speak the things I've seen and heard and experienced as they agree completely with the written word. Everything God gives us is for the good of the believer, is for us His children. I would urge all believers to simply follow these new testament believers in Acts 17 and not traditions of men or denominations.
Acts 17:11-13 (NKJV)
11 These were MORE FAIR-MINDED than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and SEARCHED the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
12 Therefore MANY of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.
13 BUT when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
Brothers and sisters, follow those in verse 11, not those in verse 13. Amen
And I think that I also have the spirit of God, Amen
When Paul used the term "tongues of men and angels" he was simply using a figure of speech -- hyperbole. There is absolutely no evidence that angels communicate with human beings (or among themselves) in any "heavenly" or angelic language. The point that Paul was making was that even if such an "exalted" language did exist, and even if he were capable of communicating in that language, it would mean absolutely nothing if he has no agape love in his heart.
So you made a good point. The Most High God communicated with men in ordinary human language, and generally in simple and direct words. When Christ (who is also God) was on earth He did the same. Simple, brief, and to-the-point human language. And Jesus never spoke any other "tongues" -- just His own Aramaic language.
So you made a good point. The Most High God communicated with men in ordinary human language, and generally in simple and direct words. When Christ (who is also God) was on earth He did the same. Simple, brief, and to-the-point human language. And Jesus never spoke any other "tongues" -- just His own Aramaic language.
Paul is stating that he (and therefore all the other disciples of his time) could speak in the
languages of men [for Paul Greek and Hebrew] AND he and others could also speak in a spiritual or
heavenly language [that of angels referring to the heavenly realm].
Paul had been to the third heaven in the spirit and knew a thing or two about this level of existence.
Your assertion that there is absolutely no evidence that angels communicate between themselves in
any heavenly or angelic language is completely outside your experience and knowledge.
You and I are not qualified to make such an assertion, but Paul the apostle is.
"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful
for a man to utter."
2Corinthians 12:4
As for your other assertion that Jesus never spoke any other "tongues" --
just His own Aramaic language.
What proof have you for this.
Given that in the gospels it is often mentioned that Jesus separated himself from his disciples
to pray, and that he was known to pray all night - that may be because he could and did pray
in tongues as all true worshippers baptized in the Holy Spirit [and Jesus was also] can pray in tongues.
Can you pray all night in English? But I can pray in tongues for hours on end especially during a prayer
and fasting period.
languages of men [for Paul Greek and Hebrew] AND he and others could also speak in a spiritual or
heavenly language [that of angels referring to the heavenly realm].
Paul had been to the third heaven in the spirit and knew a thing or two about this level of existence.
Your assertion that there is absolutely no evidence that angels communicate between themselves in
any heavenly or angelic language is completely outside your experience and knowledge.
You and I are not qualified to make such an assertion, but Paul the apostle is.
"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful
for a man to utter."
2Corinthians 12:4
As for your other assertion that Jesus never spoke any other "tongues" --
just His own Aramaic language.
What proof have you for this.
Given that in the gospels it is often mentioned that Jesus separated himself from his disciples
to pray, and that he was known to pray all night - that may be because he could and did pray
in tongues as all true worshippers baptized in the Holy Spirit [and Jesus was also] can pray in tongues.
Can you pray all night in English? But I can pray in tongues for hours on end especially during a prayer
and fasting period.
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The phrase “though I speak the tongues of men and angels”…..is a classic Pauline hyperbole.
No one spoke in a language they didn’t already know – if you’re referring to Acts, the Jews attending from outside of Judea were all from the Diaspora (we have a list of where they were from right in Acts itself); Jews of the Diaspora spoke two languages depending on whether they were from; Eastern Diaspora was Greek speaking, western Diaspora Aramaic speaking.
Here’s a bit more on Paul’s use of hyperbole in his letter (taken from an article written by a N. Busenitz, April, 2014):
"One of the things that is important to note about the grammar of 1 Corinthians 13:1 is that, in the Greek, it literally reads: “If with the tongues of men I speak and of angels.” That construction is unique and occurs only here in the New Testament. The grammar suggests that Paul intentionally separated the tongues of men from the tongues of angels, articulating the normal expression of the gift of foreign languages before emphatically inserting a hypothetical hyperbole. This pattern is seen in Paul’s subsequent examples as well.
Based on a comparison of all of Paul’s hypothetical examples in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, a strong case can be made that the apostle was using superlative, hyperbolic, and extreme examples to showcase the superiority of love. This contextual consideration leads us to conclude that the “tongues of angels” was a rhetorical expression, used by Paul to make a point. It did not describe the actual gift of tongues, which consisted only of “the tongues of men.”
When the grammatical and contextual evidence is considered, the “tongues of angels” simply does not provide charismatics with biblical support for a non-human form of tongues."
On a more esoteric level - angels are pure spirit or, as some would call them, "light beings"; I highly doubt that if they were to communicate with one another (and there's no reason to think they don't), it would be done with anything that would require a human vocal tract.
No one spoke in a language they didn’t already know – if you’re referring to Acts, the Jews attending from outside of Judea were all from the Diaspora (we have a list of where they were from right in Acts itself); Jews of the Diaspora spoke two languages depending on whether they were from; Eastern Diaspora was Greek speaking, western Diaspora Aramaic speaking.
Here’s a bit more on Paul’s use of hyperbole in his letter (taken from an article written by a N. Busenitz, April, 2014):
"One of the things that is important to note about the grammar of 1 Corinthians 13:1 is that, in the Greek, it literally reads: “If with the tongues of men I speak and of angels.” That construction is unique and occurs only here in the New Testament. The grammar suggests that Paul intentionally separated the tongues of men from the tongues of angels, articulating the normal expression of the gift of foreign languages before emphatically inserting a hypothetical hyperbole. This pattern is seen in Paul’s subsequent examples as well.
Based on a comparison of all of Paul’s hypothetical examples in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, a strong case can be made that the apostle was using superlative, hyperbolic, and extreme examples to showcase the superiority of love. This contextual consideration leads us to conclude that the “tongues of angels” was a rhetorical expression, used by Paul to make a point. It did not describe the actual gift of tongues, which consisted only of “the tongues of men.”
When the grammatical and contextual evidence is considered, the “tongues of angels” simply does not provide charismatics with biblical support for a non-human form of tongues."
On a more esoteric level - angels are pure spirit or, as some would call them, "light beings"; I highly doubt that if they were to communicate with one another (and there's no reason to think they don't), it would be done with anything that would require a human vocal tract.
lol Hyperbole? FYI is an extreme exaggeration used to make a point. the Context of Tongues , Unknown tongues, Diverse kind's of tongues or languages , unknown languages found in the New Testament was not hyperbole or a metaphor . " I’ve told you a million times!" Tongues is real lol found in the Book of Acts and in 1cor chapter 12, 13, and 14 . you do not know the contextual meaning . Nor do you know what a Hyperbole is .
I reckon only those that follow His voice will see that as an example of one hyperbole that Paul was saying about tongues of angels since he did go on to give other examples of hyperbole in making a point about what love is or rather not.
1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Has Paul removed mountains by faith? No.
Has Paul bestowed all his goods to feed the poor? One could argue it but no, not when he relied on cheerful donations agreed upon as a portion from the bounty collected at church each first day of the week for the ministry he was in as well as for supplying other missionaries in the field.
HAS Paul given up his body to be burned? Not when he is writing that letter to the Corinthians, he has not.
Those who follow a stranger's voice will miss the forest for all the trees in regards to what Paul was really saying here in context to how not having love even after doing all those exaggerated things, that saved believer is nothing, but they love to take things out of context to justify using tongues without interpretation to be used privately. That is why they refuse to see the several hyperbole in the context of what Paul was talking about. All they see is justification to use tongues privately but you would think they would apply it to mean they are talking to angels when they speak in tongues, but they don't.
1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Has Paul removed mountains by faith? No.
Has Paul bestowed all his goods to feed the poor? One could argue it but no, not when he relied on cheerful donations agreed upon as a portion from the bounty collected at church each first day of the week for the ministry he was in as well as for supplying other missionaries in the field.
HAS Paul given up his body to be burned? Not when he is writing that letter to the Corinthians, he has not.
Those who follow a stranger's voice will miss the forest for all the trees in regards to what Paul was really saying here in context to how not having love even after doing all those exaggerated things, that saved believer is nothing, but they love to take things out of context to justify using tongues without interpretation to be used privately. That is why they refuse to see the several hyperbole in the context of what Paul was talking about. All they see is justification to use tongues privately but you would think they would apply it to mean they are talking to angels when they speak in tongues, but they don't.