Jesus as Judge

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newton3003

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Who judges us? Does Jesus judge us or does God? Who occupies the judgement seat we face when our time on earth is up? Does Jesus sit in it, or does God?

Consider John 5:22 which says, “For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son…” Does that mean that God has given up the judgeship to Jesus? Does that nullify passages such as Psalm 143:1-2 which says, “Hear my prayer, O LORD; give ear to my pleas for mercy!
In your faithfulness answer me, in your righteousness! Enter not into judgment with your servant, for no one living is righteous before you?” For if God no longer judges us, then does that mean that we no longer pray to Him for judgement?

We cannot just pick certain passages from the Scriptures without considering all of it. John 1:1 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” What is the Word but the entire Scriptures? So, to just pick out certain passages without considering the whole, is to try to make sense of the letter ‘r’ of the word ‘scriptures’ without seeing the rest of the letters of that word. To just go by one passage of the Scriptures, then, is to miss the rest of the Scriptures.

The Scriptures appear to support the notion that God, rather than give up His judgeship, judges us through Jesus. Jesus himself in John 5:30 says, “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.” Jesus also says, in John 14:6, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” God has conveyed a judgeship through Jesus, and He has conveyed to us an understanding of Him through Jesus.

If Jesus sits on the judgement seat, he would be judging, then, under God’s Authority and God’s Law. Whoever is on the judgement seat, then, whether it be God, or Jesus, is doing the Will of God.

Consider John 3:16-17 which says, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.” Some may ask, ‘Why does God need someone like Jesus to save the world? Why wouldn’t God save the world Himself?’ After all, He created the heavens and the earth Himself; He didn’t appoint someone to do that for Him, so why should His dealing with us be any different?

When God saw how the world’s people drifted away from Him, with many worshipping other gods or eachother, did He admit to failure by trying another method to draw the people of the world to Him, the method being to send his son Jesus? But God is perfect, so everything He does is out of perfection. So, did He really say to Himself in a figurative sense, ‘The people rejected me, so I will send my son Jesus to clean up the mess?’

Considering that God is perfect, He cannot fail. So, He must have had a motive in commissioning Jesus the job of saving the world. We have to look back to Genesis to see what His motives, or reasons for sending Jesus into the world, might be.
In Genesis God creates Adam and Eve, and He put the Tree of Knowledge among them. Eve, upon temptation from the serpent, offers an apple from the Tree of Knowledge to Adam, who takes a bite out of it. God could have manipulated Eve, the way He hardened the pharaoh’s heart in Exodus, so that Eve doesn’t listen to the serpent, but instead He Lets Eve offer Adam the apple. God could also have manipulated Adam into not taking a bite of the apple, but instead lets Adam bite it. The reasoning, then, is that God created man with a free will, which evolves into a will to discern what is good and evil, what is love and hate, what is war and peace. In so doing He lets Adam and Eve decide what to do.

One can determine from the Scriptures, and from reading John 3:16-17, that in sending Jesus, God is playing to the love that is in us. He gave us free will, and in doing so He gave us the will to love. He could have made all of us love Him as surely as He created the Heavens and the earth, but He instead is keeping our free will in place, leaving the decision to love Him up to us. He has also made it plain that we are not to see or hear Him, so just as He sent angels in the Old testament on His behalf as He remained in the background, He sent Jesus to us, to reason with us as God would have reasoned with us.

If we should find Jesus sitting in the judgement seat, it would be as if God Himself were sitting there since Jesus would appear to us on God’s behalf, and he would do God’s Will.
 
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I want to bring up something too about this...

What about what 1 Corinthians 15 says... About Jesus Christ, and His Father.

1 Corinthians 15: 20 And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became,

21 for since through man [is] the death, also through man [is] a rising again of the dead,


22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,


23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,


24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --


25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --


26 the last enemy is done away -- death;


27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, [it is] evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,


28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.
 
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Ariel82

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Umm.....Jesus is God.

Couldn't get past the first sentence.
 

newton3003

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Umm.....Jesus is God.

Couldn't get past the first sentence.
Are you saying that when God sent His only son to us, He physically came Himself? Then why doesn't John 3:16-17 just say that?
 
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kaylagrl

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Are you saying that when God sent His only son to us, He physically came Himself? Then why doesn't John 3:16-17 just say that?
​Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God,proof enough right there.
 

Magenta

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Are you saying that when God sent His only son to us, He physically came Himself? Then why doesn't John 3:16-17 just say that?
John 1:1 and 14 say that.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

 
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listen and heed to those who know who their Saviour and God truly are!!!
 
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Are you saying that when God sent His only son to us, He physically came Himself? Then why doesn't John 3:16-17 just say that?
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
 

Enoch987

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The Judge in Revelation 21, who is it? It's confusing. I think it's meant to be confusing. God and the Lamb share the thrown in Rev. 22. In Rev. 3, Jesus sits on His Father's throne.
 
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Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
Why should anyone believe something God does not teach?

Why not simply believe what He does teach?

"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph 4:6

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him..." 1 Cor 8:6

The one God (Father) is the same who is Jesus' God:

"Blessed(be) the God, and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;" 2 Cor 1:3

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," 1Peter 1:3


Who is the God of Jesus Christ?

 
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John 1:1 and 14 say that.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

When the Word became flesh the Father was manifest through His son. The son becoming flesh is know as "the Word of God" (name).
 
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Jesus is not the father, but he is the only visible form of the father.
 
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Why should anyone believe something God does not teach?

Why not simply believe what He does teach?

"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph 4:6

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him..." 1 Cor 8:6

The one God (Father) is the same who is Jesus' God:

"Blessed(be) the God, and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;" 2 Cor 1:3

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," 1Peter 1:3


Who is the God of Jesus Christ?

god is a trinity, father - son - holy ghost. jesus is son the god. father seems to be the "highest".
 

Nehemiah6

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I want to bring up something too about this...

What about what 1 Corinthians 15 says... About Jesus Christ, and His Father.
We simply need to understand that:

1. The Father is God
2. The Word (the Son) is God
3. The Holy Spirit is God

4. Therefore the term "Godhead" encompasses all three Divine Persons. Not three Gods but one God.

5. At the same time, within the Godhead, there is a hierarchy of priority and authority. Therefore "the Head (Authority) of Christ is God (the Father)" (1 Cor 11:3). This makes the Son "subject" to the Father, even while the Father calls the Son "God". This is a part of the "Mystery of God".

6. Thus what we read in 1 Cor 15 is that God the Father will be "all in all" when the whole universe has been made subject to Christ.

As to the OP, God has handed over full authority to Christ, so that He is the one who will judge mankind. This is confirmed for us in Acts 17:30,31.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man [Christ] whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 
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god is a trinity, father - son - holy ghost. jesus is son the god. father seems to be the "highest".
The Scripture confirms that the Father is the "highest".

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:" Luke 1:32

It seems the idea of "co-equal" has no merit. If the Father is the highest (higher than the son) then that contradicts being "co-equal".
 

Nehemiah6

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It seems the idea of "co-equal" has no merit. If the Father is the highest (higher than the son) then that contradicts being "co-equal".
We need to be careful not to apply our limited human understanding to things beyond our grasp. Even while the Head of Christ is God, the Father calls the Son "God". Do you really believe you (or anyone else) can explain this paradox?

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Heb 1:8,9).
 
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The Scripture says we are to honor the son as we do the Father. The Pharisees sought the honor of men but Jesus shows from the Scripture that the honor he receives is from God that all should honor the son as they do God. Jesus' honor comes form god, not men
 

mailmandan

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Jesus is not the father, but he is the only visible form of the father.
Yes, distinct in person, yet one in essence/nature.

Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Colossians 2:9 (AMP) - For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
 
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Yes, distinct in person, yet one in essence/nature.

Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Colossians 2:9 (AMP) - For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
"Image of the invisible God(Father)" refers to Jesus as a representation of the Father. For example, when his disciples ask Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said that if they had seen him(Jesus) than they had seen the Father (the God of Jesus).
Because the text of 1 Colossians is referring to Jesus after his resurrection from the dead, the image of God is that of an immortal image. Just as Paul says: "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1 Cor 15:49

Before his resurrection from the dead, Jesus bore the image of the earthy
(natural man). He now bears the image of the heavenly (God). Therefore, the creation in which Jesus is "the firstborn from the dead" is the creation of the heavenly image that all the children of God will share when they are changed from the natural to the spiritual body.
 
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mailmandan

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"Image of the invisible God(Father)" refers to Jesus as a representation of the Father. For example, when his disciples ask Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said that if they had seen him(Jesus) than they had seen the Father (the God of Jesus).
Colossians 1:15 and Colossians 2:9 go beyond representation of the Father. Both the Father and Son are one God in essence/nature. All the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God]. Are you anti-Trinitarian?

Because the text of 1 Colossians is referring to Jesus after his resurrection from the dead, the image of God is that of an immortal image. Just as Paul says: "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1 Cor 15:49
Before his resurrection from the dead, Jesus bore the image of the earthy. He now bears the image of the heavenly (God). Therefore, the creation in which Jesus is "the firstborn from the dead" is the creation of the heavenly image that all the children of God will share when they are changed from the natural to the spiritual body.
Jesus was fully man and fully God (John 1:1-14). Colossians 1:15 (AMP) - He is the exact living image [the essential manifestation] of the unseen God [the visible representation of the invisible], the firstborn [the preeminent one, the sovereign, and the originator] of all creation. Can you say that about mankind? Bearing the image of the heavenly (when we receive our glorified bodies) does not mean we become God.