"Apply The Cross To The Problem"

[MessageOfTheCross]

"Apply the Cross to the Problem"

2 Kings 6:1-7 King James Version (KJV)

6 And the sons of the prophets said unto Elisha, Behold now, the place where we dwell with thee is too strait for us.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Let us go, we pray thee, unto Jordan, and take thence every man a beam, and let us make us a place there, where we may dwell. And he answered, Go ye.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one said, Be content, I pray thee, and go with thy servants. And he answered, I will go.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]So he went with them. And when they came to Jordan, they cut down wood.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim. ("The sick," no matter how crude, was symbolic of the Cross of Jesus Christ. We learn from this the tremendous lesson of the Power of Calvary. Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary. Elisha applied the Cross to the problem. Regrettably, most in the modern Church have set the Cross aside, resorting to other things, which only bring death.)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore said he, Take it up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it. (The Cross is a Finished Work. Consequently, all the Believer has to do is simply stretch out his hand and take it. All that the Cross represents is ours for the asking.)

JSM​

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

"Apply the Cross to the Problem"

2 Kings 6:1-7 King James Version (KJV)

6 And the sons of the prophets said unto Elisha, Behold now, the place where we dwell with thee is too strait for us.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Let us go, we pray thee, unto Jordan, and take thence every man a beam, and let us make us a place there, where we may dwell. And he answered, Go ye.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one said, Be content, I pray thee, and go with thy servants. And he answered, I will go.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]So he went with them. And when they came to Jordan, they cut down wood.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim. ("The stick," no matter how crude, was symbolic of the Cross of Jesus Christ. We learn from this the tremendous lesson of the Power of Calvary. Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary. Elisha applied the Cross to the problem. Regrettably, most in the modern Church have set the Cross aside, resorting to other things, which only bring death.)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore said he, Take it up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it. (The Cross is a Finished Work. Consequently, all the Believer has to do is simply stretch out his hand and take it. All that the Cross represents is ours for the asking.)

JSM​

Typo - meant to spell stick

 

[Waggles]

Personally I believe too many churches and Christians still have Jesus
on the cross.
But he was taken down and on the third day he rose from death to
conquer all things - especially to defeat death.

In Pentecost we focus much more on the resurrection and the
life we have through the power and meaning of the resurrection.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

We as Believers apply the Cross of Christ, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e, The Blood of Jesus, to every problem by placing and maintaining simple Faith, the size of a mustard seed in who Christ is, and what Christ has done at the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won. When this is done, the LORD does for you as He told Moses in Exodus 6:1, "Now watch what I do to Satan, now watch what I do to the problems, now watch, what I do to your health, now watch what I do to your marriage, now watch what I do to any and everything that comes against you. Now Shall you see what I will do to...Glory be to God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No one gets to Christ except through the cross, every day, every moment. It's the knowledge of Christ that he was crushed for our sakes to be a sweet savor to GOD. Look at the church in Smyrna in Revelation. It's no accident that the name Smyrna means myrrh, which produces a sweet fragrance when crushed, and GOD was pleased with the disciples in Smyrna who were being crushed through sufferings. Christ appeared to his disciples bearing his wounds. Revelation reveals Christ appearing in heaven as a slaughtered lamb. Has that changed?

 

[plainguy]

No one gets to Christ except through the cross, every day, every moment. It's the knowledge of Christ that he was crushed for our sakes to be a sweet savor to GOD. Look at the church in Smyrna in Revelation. It's no accident that the name Smyrna means myrrh, which produces a sweet fragrance when crushed, and GOD was pleased with the disciples in Smyrna who were being crushed through sufferings. Christ appeared to his disciples bearing his wounds. Revelation reveals Christ appearing in heaven as a slaughtered lamb. Has that changed?

Nobody gets to Christ except thru the repentance of their sins, believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (by God's grace given us thru faith in Him). True ... only Christ's redeeming work on the cross made this possible ... but it is Jesus Christ Himself who did it. Christ saved us. The cross was the means. Far too many semantics being tossed around on this thread.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Remember, God only awards righteousness by placing and maintaining Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work. Romans 4:5

The Holy Spirit, Works strictly within the parameters of the "Finished Work" i.e., "the Cross of Christ", which demands that our Faith be exclusively in the Cross of Christ. The reason is simple, that's were the price was paid, and the victory was forever won (Romans 6:1-14; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 5; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 2:14-15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we stay "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Personally I believe too many churches and Christians still have Jesus
on the cross.

Well the RCC still have the crucifix with Christ on the Cross. But if we are to properly understand the finished work of Christ, we must include His ascension, and the sending down of the Holy Spirit to empower Christians for witness and service. The Acts of the Apostles is really the Acts of the Holy Spirit through the apostles and Christian disciples.

But the power is not in the Cross but in the Crucified One, who conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan.

 

[Magenta]

Well the RCC still have the crucifix with Christ on the Cross. But if we are to properly understand the finished work of Christ, we must include His ascension, and the sending down of the Holy Spirit to empower Christians for witness and service. The Acts of the Apostles is really the Acts of the Holy Spirit through the apostles and Christian disciples.

But the power is not in the Cross but in the Crucified One, who conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan.

Who is the light and life of men, within Whom
we live and move and have our being

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Well the RCC still have the crucifix with Christ on the Cross. But if we are to properly understand the finished work of Christ, we must include His ascension, and the sending down of the Holy Spirit to empower Christians for witness and service. The Acts of the Apostles is really the Acts of the Holy Spirit through the apostles and Christian disciples.

But the power is not in the Cross. but in the Crucified One, who conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan

The power is in the word of the cross

​For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When we gather and break bread are we proclaiming Christ's life, or his death?

For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:26​

 

[Nehemiah6]

The power is in the word of the cross

​For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18​

In the KJV it is "the preaching of the Cross", which is really the preaching of the Crucified One. The Cross was the instrument of punishment for criminals, but for God it was the "altar" of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Just as the altars in the OT had no power, but the blood which was shed atoned for sins while the sacrifice was accepted by God, the Cross had no power, but the power was in the blood of the Lamb of God (the Lord Jesus Christ) and His one great sacrifice for sins for ever.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In the KJV it is "the preaching of the Cross", which is really the preaching of the Crucified One. The Cross was the instrument of punishment for criminals, but for God it was the "altar" of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Just as the altars in the OT had no power, but the blood which was shed atoned for sins while the sacrifice was accepted by God, the Cross had no power, but the power was in the blood of the Lamb of God (the Lord Jesus Christ) and His one great sacrifice for sins for ever.

If the KJV is right then that means it has it wrong in John 1 - "In the beginning was the preaching, and the preaching was with GOD and the preaching was GOD..."

The Greek word is logos.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In the KJV it is "the preaching of the Cross", which is really the preaching of the Crucified One. The Cross was the instrument of punishment for criminals, but for God it was the "altar" of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Just as the altars in the OT had no power, but the blood which was shed atoned for sins while the sacrifice was accepted by God, the Cross had no power, but the power was in the blood of the Lamb of God (the Lord Jesus Christ) and His one great sacrifice for sins for ever.

Blood had no efficacy apart from the altar.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Nobody gets to Christ except thru the repentance of their sins, believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (by God's grace given us thru faith in Him). True ... only Christ's redeeming work on the cross made this possible ... but it is Jesus Christ Himself who did it. Christ saved us. The cross was the means. Far too many semantics being tossed around on this thread.

right

the power is not the cross at all

if we look at I Corinthians 1:18, we find the power is not the cross; the power is actually ascribed to God...not the cross

many people died on the Roman cross but only ONE was resurrected through the power of God

the cross is the instrument used by God to display HIS power in the resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus says:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

I hate to bore people......but this cross business is the personal revelation of Swaggart

Swaggart says he understands the cross better than Paul or any Apostle because God has finally revealed all its secrets to him personally

I am positive that those who follow this false teaching are one of the world's smallest minorities but even so it is good to point out the error for those who are not sure

again, the cross displayed the power of God...in the resurrection of Jesus. the cross itself is not power and the only way to God is through His Son as you say

we understand in Whom the power of God was and is displayed. the cross is no more special than the crosses the two thieves died on

semantics to the 9th degree

it is not through the cross and then the Son

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Greek word is logos.

Yes the Greek word is logos, and the KJV has interpreted it correctly in this context. Please see below:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3056: λόγος

e.instruction: equivalent to κήρυγμα, preaching, with the genitive of the object: λόγοςἀληθείας, 2 Corinthians 6:7; James 1:18; ὁλόγοςτῆςἀληθείας, Colossians 1:5; Ephesians 1:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; τῆςκαταλλαγῆς, 2 Corinthians 5:19; ὁλόγοςτῆςσωτηρίαςταύτης, concerning this salvation (i. e. the salvation obtained through Christ) (cf. Winers Grammar, 237 (223); Buttmann, 162 (141)), Acts 13:26; ὁλόγοςτῆςβασιλείας (τοῦΘεοῦ), Matthew 13:19; τοῦσταυροῦ, 1 Corinthians 1:18; ὁτῆςἀρχῆςτοῦΧριστοῦλόγος, the first instruction concerning Christ (cf. Buttmann, 155 (136); Winer's Grammar, 188 (177)), Hebrews 6:1.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes the Greek word is logos, and the KJV has interpreted it correctly in this context. Please see below:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3056: λόγος

e.instruction: equivalent to κήρυγμα, preaching, with the genitive of the object: λόγοςἀληθείας, 2 Corinthians 6:7; James 1:18; ὁλόγοςτῆςἀληθείας, Colossians 1:5; Ephesians 1:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; τῆςκαταλλαγῆς, 2 Corinthians 5:19; ὁλόγοςτῆςσωτηρίαςταύτης, concerning this salvation (i. e. the salvation obtained through Christ) (cf. Winers Grammar, 237 (223); Buttmann, 162 (141)), Acts 13:26; ὁλόγοςτῆςβασιλείας (τοῦΘεοῦ), Matthew 13:19; τοῦσταυροῦ, 1 Corinthians 1:18; ὁτῆςἀρχῆςτοῦΧριστοῦλόγος, the first instruction concerning Christ (cf. Buttmann, 155 (136); Winer's Grammar, 188 (177)), Hebrews 6:1.

You believe whatever you want.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You believe whatever you want.

And you disbelieve whatever you want. The clear evidence has been presented.

 

[Joseppi]

the power is not the cross at all

if we look at I Corinthians 1:18, we find the power is not the cross; the power is actually ascribed to God...not the cross

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

So, both the preaching of Christ crucified and the cross is the power of God.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Well the RCC still have the crucifix with Christ on the Cross. But if we are to properly understand the finished work of Christ, we must include His ascension, and the sending down of the Holy Spirit to empower Christians for witness and service. The Acts of the Apostles is really the Acts of the Holy Spirit through the apostles and Christian disciples.

But the power is not in the Cross but in the Crucified One, who conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan.

We must never separate Christ from His finished work or the finished work from Christ. Of course, we know that Jesus is no longer on the Cross. In fact, He is presently in Heaven, seated by the right hand of the Father (Eph. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). What we are actually talking about are the results of the Cross; the results of the Blood of Jesus; the results of the Finished Work at Calvary's Cross.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
​