FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS...MORE WILL BE GIVEN.. what does this mean?????

[7seasrekeyed]

Well 7seas., it seems we might have a conversation going. I can read your post and see why you believe the way you do. And why I don't believe the way you do. We have been given authority here on earth as the sons of God. And we have been told to walk out our authority in Christ. That's why it's so vital to know who we really are IN Christ.

When Adam and Eve sinned, they lost their position (and ours). The authority they had been given by God, Adam forfeited to satan and Jesus had to get it back for us. Jesus is the last Adam. To this day Jesus is in His glorified body... the first of many brethren at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us. He is our Great High Priest.

We hold the ground Jesus already won for us... bought and paid for. But we do it by faith and not by sight. Just as Abraham lived his life that is how we too are to live out lives here. I'll post some commentary that explains the verses about calling those things that are not as if they actually were (because they actually ARE) In Christ we have the promises but they need to be accessed by faith. Without faith., we will live on this planet weak and beggarly lives because we have not believed in the promises that were freely given to us for the pilgrim journey here.

I find it so interesting too that both our commentary materials come from Christians who also see this issue differently. I'll be of the sort that does not condemn you for believing differently than me.

The phrase, “and calleth those things which be not as though they were,” is referring to the instance Paul had just cited when God changed Abram’s name to Abraham (Genesis 17:5). According to Strong’s Concordance, the name Abram means “high father,” and the name Abraham means “father of a multitude.” The Lord changed Abram’s name to Abraham one year before the birth of Isaac, thus confessing that Abraham was the father of a multitude before it happened in the physical.
This illustrates God’s faith. God says things are so before there is physical proof that they are so. The same thing was done at creation (Genesis 1). God spoke everything into existence, and then it was so. He spoke light into existence and then four days later created a source for that light to come from (Genesis 1:3 and 14-19).
God has given us the power to create with faith-filled words (Proverbs 18:20-21, see note 4 at Mark 11:14 and note 4 at Mark 11:23). If we are going to operate in God’s kind of faith, we have to learn to call those things that are not as though they were.
There was no hope in the natural for Abraham or his wife, Sarah. They were both as good as dead when it came to having children at their age. Therefore, they rejected the natural and believed God with a supernatural hope. There is a natural hope that everyone has, and there is a supernatural hope that is imparted by God (1 Corinthians 13:13). To receive miracles, we have to reject the limitations of natural hope and press on to obtain God’s supernatural hope through faith.
NOTE 8 AT ROMANS 4:18:
Abraham’s faith was based on God’s Word. Every word of God is powerful and contains the faith of God to bring that word to pass (see note 4 at Matthew 14:29). If we will only consider God’s Word, then we will only believe (Romans 8:6, see note 9 at Romans 4:19).
Abraham did not think carefully about his age and Sarah’s and the impact that would have on the promise God had given him. He did not take those things into account or make any allowance for them. That was not what he paid attention to.
That is amazing, and that is exactly the reason many of us would not be able to receive the same miracle. We consider every negative thing that looks contrary to God’s promises, and then we try to use our faith to overcome the fear and unbelief that come through those thoughts (see note 3 at Matthew 17:20). That’s not the way Abraham was strong in faith.
Abram was seventy-five years old when the Lord first promised him that he would have a child and that all the nations of the earth would be blessed through him (Genesis 12:1-4). He was ninety-nine years old in this instance that Paul cited (Genesis 17:1), and Sarah was ninety years old (Genesis 17:17). Yet he didn’t even take into account the impossibility of what God had promised him.
It is true that Abraham was strong in faith (Romans 4:20), but the thing that made him strong in faith was

the fact that he kept his mind stayed on God’s promise. NOTE 7SEAS


Equally important was that he kept his mind off anything that would have been contrary to God’s promise. Many people desire the same strong faith that Abraham had, but very few desire to control their thinking the way Abraham did.
Faith is a direct result of what you think on. If you think on God’s Word, faith comes (Romans 8:6 and 10:17). If you think on other things, unbelief and fear come (Romans 8:6, see note 39 at Matthew 6:22 and notes 40 and 41 at Matthew 6:23). If you want the faith of Abraham working in you, then think the way he thought and never consider anything except God’s Word, and you will be strong in faith.

how can you believe what Prince teaches with regards to calling things into being that are not, as though they were...using a verse that clearly identifies God as the One who is bringing things into being out of nothing?

you don't have to tell me the story of Abram/Abraham. you cannot prove what Prince relates from that story at all.

you do not seem to grasp that Abraham was the father of the Jewish nation and, as such, was chosen for a one time event that none of us can lay claim to.

Abraham had a relationship with God you and I will never have. However, we can have a relationship with God that Abraham never had through the blood of Christ

you are not a creator and you simply cannot create life from death as does God...understand that He alone can call forth life from death and in fact He has done that with each of us

 

[joaniemarie]

I brought up this topic because it illustrates the ways we walk the daily Christian life. It all ties into walking in the new creation in Christ that we are now. We cannot have any sort of victory if we decide to go with our old flesh that used to determine how we saw life here and how we saw God.

Now we have a new spirit., we are new creations in Christ.., the old is gone, the new has come.... and we have the Holy Spirit to direct us and we have the Word of God to read and study. But each of those things are to be accessed by faith in and through our spirit man and the power of the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus depended on the Holy Spirit so are we to.

We have been given things freely and I've found that I have to believe that. These promises are ours by faith. Abraham didn't focus on his withering old age body or Sarah's. He trusting that God would do as He promised regardless of the age of his body. Regardless of the impossibility of the situation he and Sarah were in.

This also goes back to the post started by Ben. Believing and trusting takes walking it out by faith. It means daring to trust when our eyes and flesh scream it can't be real. Those who walk by faith find out Jesus promises ARE real. He can be counted on. We are told to do what Abraham did... beyond all hope against hope to believe anyway and do not look to the right or to the left but to the truth of His Word and His promises. He does what He says.

He is the Good Shepherd who cares for the sheep. We are called to be co laborers with Him in and through the Holy Spirit.., we have the ministry of reconciliation., We have all we need to succeed.

 

[FlyingDove]

He's a Hyper Grace Preacher... I thought these posts should be banned / reported? Isn't there a rule against this?

I keep seeing people talking about Hyper Grace. I can't find Hyper Grace anywhere in scripture.

I read the OP joaniemarie posted. I didn't see any reference to Hyper Grace. So, what is this Hyper Grace you're posting about?

 

[joaniemarie]

how can you believe what Prince teaches with regards to calling things into being that are not, as though they were...using a verse that clearly identifies God as the One who is bringing things into being out of nothing?

you don't have to tell me the story of Abram/Abraham. you cannot prove what Prince relates from that story at all.

you do not seem to grasp that Abraham was the father of the Jewish nation and, as such, was chosen for a one time event that none of us can lay claim to.

Abraham had a relationship with God you and I will never have. However, we can have a relationship with God that Abraham never had through the blood of Christ

you are not a creator and you simply cannot create life from death as does God...understand that He alone can call forth life from death and in fact He has done that with each of us

If we are going to operate in God's kind of faith., we have to LEARN to call those things that are not as though they were.
There was no hope in the natural for Abraham or Sarah. They were both as good as dead when it came to having children.
Soooo they rejected the natural and believed God with a supernatural hope. There is a natural hope that everyone has... and there is a supernatural hope that is given to us in Christ.

1 Cor.13:13 But now abideth faith., hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. It's about daily rejecting our physical limitations (flesh) and accessing the supernatural hope through faith. Our new creation in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Our calling is one of walking in the supernatural every day. We do this as we walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. We follow the dictates of the spirit and not the dictates of the flesh.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I brought up this topic because it illustrates the ways we walk the daily Christian life. It all ties into walking in the new creation in Christ that we are now. We cannot have any sort of victory if we decide to go with our old flesh that used to determine how we saw life here and how we saw God.

Now we have a new spirit., we are new creations in Christ.., the old is gone, the new has come.... and we have the Holy Spirit to direct us and we have the Word of God to read and study. But each of those things are to be accessed by faith in and through our spirit man and the power of the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus depended on the Holy Spirit so are we to.

We have been given things freely and I've found that I have to believe that. These promises are ours by faith. Abraham didn't focus on his withering old age body or Sarah's. He trusting that God would do as He promised regardless of the age of his body. Regardless of the impossibility of the situation he and Sarah were in.

This also goes back to the post started by Ben. Believing and trusting takes walking it out by faith. It means daring to trust when our eyes and flesh scream it can't be real. Those who walk by faith find out Jesus promises ARE real. He can be counted on. We are told to do what Abraham did... beyond all hope against hope to believe anyway and do not look to the right or to the left but to the truth of His Word and His promises. He does what He says.

He is the Good Shepherd who cares for the sheep. We are called to be co laborers with Him in and through the Holy Spirit.., we have the ministry of reconciliation., We have all we need to succeed.

who are you trying to convince here?

see, again you are writing of yourself and seem to be thinking everyone is like you...that somehow we have no knowledge of Christ in our lives or are loveless or do not understand the overcoming power of our God to bring new life to us and make us more than conquerors IN Him, unless you explain it to us. we do not need you explaining it...however great if you have just come to see the faithfulness of our God and His love for us as exemplified through Christ

what things do you specifically mean when you say we have been given 'things' freely...define that...explain what it means to joanie marie

I think you may think that Abraham has a say here, but actually chapter 25 of Matthew is Jesus speaking and there is ZERO reference to Abraham or faith as per your reference to it...nothing whatsoever...rather, Jesus is speaking of HIS kingdom...the heavenly kingdom and his final words are a warning...not a promise and not about faith

these are FACTS...as can be seen even with a light reading of Matthew 25 and Prince has no business teaching anybody anything, IMO, considering how he has totally ignored the 2 parables and Jesus warning concerning those who USE His Name for their own ends

what does Jesus being the Good Shepherd have to do with what the devotional you posted? there is no reference to that topic and why do you bring it up when it has ZERO bearing on the op...which is of your making and is a devotional from Prince?

what are you walking out that has bearing on what Jesus says in Matthew 25?

there is no ministry of reconciliation being mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 25 either?

do you really not see that? do you really not see that you cannot just take verses out of any passage and make doctrines out of combining them?

do you not see that what Prince is actually doing, is to find scripture that he thinks agrees with what he believes he has been shown...outside of the word...as in a new revelation...and that is not the pattern we should follow?

It means daring to trust when our eyes and flesh scream it can't be real

I can say with complete honestly that I do not have that problem at all. I got rid of it when I stopped, through the mercy of God, believing WOF lies and stopped thinking that if I did not believe then God would not do anything for me.

I was never immersed in WOF the way many are, but enough so as to understand just how desperate it can get when you think that you must believe in something because you think God showed it to you.

listen joaniemarie...the Christian walk is ALREADY a walk of faith

you cannot be a Christian without faith...so it might behoove you to stop thinking there are 2 classes of Christians...those walking by faith and those who do not walk by faith. you cannot be a Christian without faith

so maybe try to answer what you are getting out of Matthew 25, the 2 parables and Jesus warning to those who use His name for their own ends

v. 29 as per Prince is a complete distortion of the Jesus words. this is serious. in fact, it may be life or death for some...I don't mean you here when I say that...but some are believing in things that are never going to happen and they will walk away from our Savior and say God lied to them

God does not lie

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If we are going to operate in God's kind of faith., we have to LEARN to call those things that are not as though they were.
There was no hope in the natural for Abraham or Sarah. They were both as good as dead when it came to having children.
Soooo they rejected the natural and believed God with a supernatural hope. There is a natural hope that everyone has... and there is a supernatural hope that is given to us in Christ.

1 Cor.13:13 But now abideth faith., hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. It's about daily rejecting our physical limitations (flesh) and accessing the supernatural hope through faith. Our new creation in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Our calling is one of walking in the supernatural every day. We do this as we walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. We follow the dictates of the spirit and not the dictates of the flesh.

let me make something clear here...where in scripure do we read of what 'kind' of faith God has?

I'll answer...absolutely nowhere at all, so that is something we can just toss cause God does not need faith...he speaks and it happens...He does not have faith in Himself...He does not need it

here is my post on what is going on between God and Abraham...from p. 2 which illustrates that God is doing the calling forth...we do not do that

the first part is Prince's rendition taken from the devotional.

God is not saying, “Oh come on, pretend that you see it. And if you pretend long enough, you will have it.” This is not a game! God is telling us to call forth those things which don’t exist as though they do. (Romans 4:17)


well who is God speaking to?

apparently, Abraham

God is telling Abraham what He, God, is going to do

notice Abraham is not telling God what to do

now the verse in question, quoted below, plainly states that it is GOD who calls forth and not Abraham and certainly not us as we cannot quicken the dead

God Himself state that He is the One who calls forth

Why does Prince misuse this verse to mean that you or I or anyone can call forth things that are not as though they are?

please do not believe this lie. God says no such thing...in fact...that is not faith...that is presumption and a very very bad understanding of what the Bible includes under the heading of 'faith

Romans 4:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

so to refresh: it is God calling forth...NOT Abraham

Prince says the opposite and he is wrong and the blind leading itching ears

do not pervert the Bible...might sound all wonderful and hopeful to some, but God has not given people the power to create something out of nothing.

That, is the domain of God alone.

 

[joaniemarie]

Not sure what you are talking about 7seas. 2nd class Christian? What's that about? Your posts are just full of defensiveness and anger. Not sure how to respond to you at all. Or even if I should again. Go have a cup of tea and come back when you are calm.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Re posted for clarity so as not to get off on someone else's rabbit trail...

Since you have already been rebuked by others for this reproduction of Prince's nonsense, do you not even have the grace to cease and desist? "Re-posted for clarity" should really be "Re-posted to thumb my nose at all of you".

 

[Nehemiah6]

BEWARE! FALSE TEACHER ON BOARD!

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So we now have another dose of false teaching from Prince, courtesy of joaniemarie, who does not have the courtesy to cease and desist, even after many Christians have told here that Prince et al are totally unacceptable.

Now Prince has taken a verse out of context to support the preaching of the false Prosperity Gospel -- "Name It, and Claim It" -- as already mentioned by other Christians.

The Parable of the Talents (Mt 25: 14-30) was to teach Christians the meaning of FAITHFUL STEWARDSHIP IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, not self-centered asking.

And in that context, the Lord commended the faithful stewards so that the one who had been most faithful would receive even more opportunities for faithful stewardship. Hence:

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

What the Lord is telling us in this parable is that slothful servants will lose what little talents, gifts, opportunities, abilities and resources that God has given them because of their laziness and indifference, and give them to the faithful stewards who are genuine servants of God and diligently labor in the tasks assigned to them for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God and the glory of God. This parable has absolutely nothing to do with our needs or our greeds.

 

[stonesoffire]

Joanie

Have you heard of Lance Walnau? His teachings on the seven mountains of influence are tremendous. Was just watching him on periscope speaking to a group in Texas.

I really think this scripture goes with what what I am hearing from him, because when we begin to understand that we are to be the head, and not the tail, , we will impact the world in greater force.

Some of the church has not yet woke up.

Also, he has influence now with President Trump. That song currently popular, resonates in my heart when I hear these things....God is on the move Hallelujah!

 

[Depleted]

He's a Hyper Grace Preacher... I thought these posts should be banned / reported? Isn't there a rule against this?

Yes, there is, but that's a problem too considering the definition of who is hypergrace isn't the right definition.

 

[Depleted]

I don't see where JP was speaking about prosperity financially, but in the Word of God.

My opinion of the scripture there, is when we are walking in the revelation of the Word that we have, then more revelation is given.

It would be affecting all of our life. For that is the definition of prosperity biblically. Can be money too though. But, I value the Word, the Spirit of the Word worth more...

Cut that down exactly, didn't you? I agree. The Heretic isn't talking financial prosperity. He's talking "prosperity" in anyway you perceive it. Just name it, and claim it.

Today, we are talking about the haves and have-nots in the church. If you believe that it is yours, you will have it. You will see yourself possessing it and enjoying it, and more will be given to you. But if you say, “Well, I don’t feel it and I’m not sure if it will come,” in essence, you are saying that you don’t have it when you actually do. Then, even what you have will be taken away. So say you have it today!

 

[Depleted]

Joanie

Have you heard of Lance Walnau? His teachings on the seven mountains of influence are tremendous. Was just watching him on periscope speaking to a group in Texas.

I really think this scripture goes with what what I am hearing from him, because when we begin to understand that we are to be the head, and not the tail, , we will impact the world in greater force.

Some of the church has not yet woke up.

Also, he has influence now with President Trump. That song currently popular, resonates in my heart when I hear these things....God is on the move Hallelujah!

What is the seven mountain mandate, and is it biblical?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Not sure what you are talking about 7seas. 2nd class Christian? What's that about? Your posts are just full of defensiveness and anger. Not sure how to respond to you at all. Or even if I should again. Go have a cup of tea and come back when you are calm.

so you cannot answer anything I posted regarding the actual chapter of Matthew 25 and so you go to your default position of finding fault with the poster

you do not know the Bible and you do not post from the Bible

you post devotionals by Prince or articles by others...some better...some worse but you never ever actually post your own op as most here do

you do not ask questions or try to have discussions...you do what you did here...you pretend to want to discuss, then you back out as soon as someone asks you to discuss the scripture included in Prince's or whoever's copy/paste

I asked precise questions concerning Matthew 25. I asked how Prince can take one verse...v 29....and turn it into a blab and grab...because that is what he did...I asked how YOU can just ignore the 2 parables and Jesus warning...which is what Matthew 25 actually consists of...

you do NOT respond...because of course you cannot...you start talking about Abraham and reconciliation and anything and everything but the actual discussion of Matthew which YOU posted

when I get back to the op, YOU try to accuse me of being a big blue meanie and say my posts are full of defensiveness and anger...which actually describes YOU so perfectly your picture is beside the description in the dictionary for both those words

joaniemarie you are playing games. you have nothing of personal conviction to say. you simply copy/paste and then defend it but you are all smoke and mirrors...no substance

anyone can go back and read my posts to you and your responses

find your backbone and tell us why Prince ignores the fact that Matthew 25, the ENTIRE chapter is JESUS talking...tell us why Prince tries to make a verse that has nothing to do with prosperity, fit his agenda of 'smile...be happy...God loves you no matter what a stinker you are...and you can just imagine whatever you want and God will give it to you because He loves you so much He wants you to be rich and have 2 of everything and you will never be sick ad nauseum

no worries though. you would have to admit that Prince is a false teacher and that you do not know what you are on about and so you depend on being fed these ridiculous unsound teachings and accuse others of what you actually do

you insult people with your silly posts...like your last post to me...you do that to everyone who tries to reason with you...you falsely accuse...you smart mouth them and then hope you win

but you loose. I just don't want anyone else to loose

 

[7seasrekeyed]

REPOSTED FOR THE TRUTH CONTAINED IN IT.

BEWARE! FALSE TEACHER ON BOARD!
So we now have another dose of false teaching from Prince, courtesy of joaniemarie, who does not have the courtesy to cease and desist, even after many Christians have told here that Prince et al are totally unacceptable.

Now Prince has taken a verse out of context to support the preaching of the false Prosperity Gospel -- "Name It, and Claim It" -- as already mentioned by other Christians.

The Parable of the Talents (Mt 25: 14-30) was to teach Christians the meaning of FAITHFUL STEWARDSHIP IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, not self-centered asking.

And in that context, the Lord commended the faithful stewards so that the one who had been most faithful would receive even more opportunities for faithful stewardship. Hence:

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

What the Lord is telling us in this parable is that slothful servants will lose what little talents, gifts, opportunities, abilities and resources that God has given them because of their laziness and indifference, and give them to the faithful stewards who are genuine servants of God and diligently labor in the tasks assigned to them for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God and the glory of God. This parable has absolutely nothing to do with our needs or our greeds.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What is the seven mountain mandate, and is it biblical?

stones denies being NAR, but I am not inclined to believe that denial

the 7 mountain mandate is NAR all the way, around the mountain and back and the bear does not have to go over the mountain to see it...just read the posts and it is enough

[FONT=&quot]The seven mountain mandate has its roots in [/FONT]dominion theology[FONT=&quot], which started in the early 1970s with a goal of “taking dominion” of the earth, twisting [/FONT]Genesis 1:28[FONT=&quot] to include a mandate for Christians to control civil affairs and all other aspects of society. The [/FONT]New Apostolic Reformation[FONT=&quot], with its self-appointed prophets and apostles, has also influenced the seven mountain movement, lending dreams and visions and other extra-biblical revelations to the mandate.[/FONT]

 

[joaniemarie]

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Let me hear of your unfailing love each morning, for I am trusting you. Show me where to walk, for I give myself to you. Psalm 143:8​

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Got talent?​

In the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-30, Jesus talks about the man that was given just one talent. When his master returned, he discovered the man had taken the gift and hidden it. When pressed for an explanation as to why, the man explained that he believed the master who gave him the gift was a "hard man, one who took what he wanted when he wanted it." Of course, the master was no such man and couldn't understand how someone could be given a gift they didn't have to work for and then hide the gift from view and at the same time misrepresent the one who gave the gift.


In this parable, the "talents" literally represent money but the principle is true for whatever God gives us. Some will understand how gracious and extravagant the gift is and will take that gift they have received and invest it into others. This act of faithfulness in turn multiplies the gift. So every time you give away what God has gifted you with, it enlarges the gift you gave away in you.


There are some people today who have received the free gift of God's love and grace but because they don't have a revelation of who has given them the gift, they don't know how to invest it into others. In God's economy, "we freely receive and freely give." Those who live in fear of losing what they were freely given, don't know the giver of the gift. They believe he is a harsh and angry man and being only concerned about themselves, they don't invest the gift that is designed to be invested or given away, and instead they bury and hide their gift where it doesn't benefit anyone. The man who hid his free gift was called wicked and unfaithful.

There is a lost and hurting world who is in desperate need to know about a gift that is free from God called salvation. To hide this gift or to misrepresent the One who is giving the gift as "hard" is truly a wicked thing. Every gift God gives us is intended to be given away. This is the way God, through us, invests in people. You are blessed to be a blessing!


For it is by grace that you have been saved, though faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9



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[joaniemarie]

Show me where to walk, for I give myself to you. Psalm 143:8​

 

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stones denies being NAR, but I am not inclined to believe that denial

the 7 mountain mandate is NAR all the way, around the mountain and back and the bear does not have to go over the mountain to see it...just read the posts and it is enough

Ohhhhhhhhhhh! That's what NAR is. (I do not know 75% of the words folks use to describe belief systems on this site. lol)

 

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Pssst, you forgot to attribute to which heretic you're copy-pasting now.

(And really? Can you never actually talk for yourself? I mean, you talk about yourself a lot, and about others, but you never ever tell what you think about anything that's actually IN the Bible. Just copy-pastecopy/paste as if filling the site with enough pamphlets will earn you a mansion.)