Will Some NonChristians (Unbelievers) Get to Heaven?

[Noose]

Evidently you are not familiar with the book of Revelation which plainly tells us that there will come a time when an angel will fly over the earth proclaiming the Gospel (Rev 14:6). Either that, or you do not believe the Word of God.

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Aaaaah c'mon maaaaaan, please tell me you are joking. Of course i'm familiar with the book of Revelation and i know it is heavily symbolic, i can assure you there will be no angel flying around because we are already deep into the end times. In case an angel flies around then just wait for this:

Rev 14:14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man[SUP]b[/SUP]with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.17Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.”19The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

 

[Chester]

Can't believe how people are totally forgetting the Jewish people

Jew, Muslim, Hindu, animist, or atheist: what does it matter? Jesus is the only door to heaven!

New Testament: Jesus very clearly told the Jewish people (like Nicodemus) that: You must be born again.

 

[Nehemiah6]

... i can assure you there will be no angel flying around because we are already deep into the end times...

This remark is as bad as scoffers asserting that there will be no second coming of Christ -- literally, visibly, physically, and with power and great glory, and accompanied by His saints and angels. There is only one word for such a remark -- UNBELIEF.

 

[Chester]

Already went through this with you. In debate, the side of the negative does not have to, cannot prove the negative. You can't prove there are raspberries biblical because raspberry is something the Bible never talks about. So, completely up to you if you want to try and convince me if the age of accountability is in the Bible. It's been tried before. It's never been done.

LOL! Don't think I will try, then, because I doubt you would be listening! Doubtful I will find some argument that no one used before!

 

[Chester]

I believe that some non-Christians will have a shot in the millennium, that's what its for, a time of teaching and obedience. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years" (Revelation 20:6).

We need to differentiate between non-Christians and unbelievers, a non-Christian could be described as one who never heard the gospel and never had a chance to accept Christ. An unbeliever is one who heard the Word but rejected it. I believe the latter will perish, but the former will experience the millennium because they never had an opportunity in the flesh (aborted babies, etc). God is fair., no righteous God would condemn an unknowing person who had no knowledge of Truth; "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do". Remember too, after his resurrection, Jesus "Went and preached unto the spirits in prison". (1 Peter 3;19) Why? "For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit" (1 Peter 4:6).. jmo

Don't know that I agree, but surely an interesting idea - and sure would be nice if it was so . . . ?

 

[Chester]

Evidently you are not familiar with the book of Revelation which plainly tells us that there will come a time when an angel will fly over the earth proclaiming the Gospel (Rev 14:6). Either that, or you do not believe the Word of God.

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Note that the text does not actually say that the angels did the preaching. It may be that the 144,000 Jewish witnesses did the preaching . . . ? Just saying . . .

 

[Nehemiah6]

Note that the text does not actually say that the angels did the preaching. It may be that the 144,000 Jewish witnesses did the preaching . . . ? Just saying . . .

Those 144,000 men from the 12 tribes of Israel are NOT evangelists. That is a common misconception but there is no scriptural support for that belief. And even if they were, they could not possibly preach to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

So why do Christians have such a hard time simply believing God and believing His written Word?

 

[Chester]

Those 144,000 men from the 12 tribes of Israel are NOT evangelists. That is a common misconception but there is no scriptural support for that belief. And even if they were, they could not possibly preach to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

So why do Christians have such a hard time simply believing God and believing His written Word?

And why couldn't those 144000 reach all peoples? Get that many zealous Jewish evangelists and things will start happening fast!

Your idea that an angel spreads the gospel supernaturally by flying through the heavens (preaching as he goes) could be so: but the text does not say that clearly.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Your idea that an angel spreads the gospel supernaturally by flying through the heavens (preaching as he goes) could be so: but the text does not say that clearly.

Of course it does, Chester. Just believe it. There is very little difference between the critical Greek text and the Textus Receptus, so the English translations are almost identical between the KJB and the other versions. Since I stick to the KJB and the Textus Receptus, the text says VERY CLEARLY exactly what I have stated above. So just believe it.

Καὶ εἶδον ἄλλον ἄγγελον πετώμενον ἐν μεσουρανήματι, ἔχοντα εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον, εὐαγγελίσαι τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ πᾶν ἔθνος καὶ φυλὴν καὶ γλῶσσαν καὶ λαόν

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

Why should this be a problem, when the whole Bible deals in the supernatural?

 

[Noose]

Of course it does, Chester. Just believe it. There is very little difference between the critical Greek text and the Textus Receptus, so the English translations are almost identical between the KJB and the other versions. Since I stick to the KJB and the Textus Receptus, the text says VERY CLEARLY exactly what I have stated above. So just believe it.

Καὶ εἶδον ἄλλον ἄγγελον πετώμενον ἐν μεσουρανήματι, ἔχοντα εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον, εὐαγγελίσαι τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ πᾶν ἔθνος καὶ φυλὴν καὶ γλῶσσαν καὶ λαόν

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

Why should this be a problem, when the whole Bible deals in the supernatural?

I really don't mind if you call me a scoffer but i know what i speak of. The book of Revelation is heavily symbolic, it is an explanation to Daniel's prophesies. After the disciples and apostles had finished prophesying to all nations, John is told to prophesy again to all nations and he is given visions that have a hidden meaning of what was to take place.

Remember, the last days will be like the days of Noah, people will be drinking and eating, marrying and being given for marriage- meaning that everything will be normal. Angels flying mid air, blowing trumpets and seven headed beasts literally coming out of the sea is not normal. You certainly will not give your daughter for marriage if you saw an angel seated on a cloud holding a sharp sickle.
I wish you asked for the meaning of these things, someone has misguided you.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello Noose,

The book of Revelation is heavily symbolic, it is an explanation to Daniel's prophesies.

This approach to the book of Revelation, is exactly the problem as to why there is so much misinterpretation. Though there is definitely symbolism in this book, there is also the literal. The problem is that by interpreting everything as symbolic, the literal is distorted. A good rule of thumb when reading Revelation is, "If the plain, literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. Most of the symbolism in Revelation is revealed in Revelation itself.

Remember, the last days will be like the days of Noah, people will be drinking and eating, marrying and being given for marriage- meaning that everything will be normal. Angels flying mid air, blowing trumpets and seven headed beasts literally coming out of the sea is not normal

Regarding the above, did you ever stop to think that what is being described is the state of the world prior to the events of wrath and the antichrists reign? And that is exactly what it is talking about. In other words, prior to God's wrath, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up until everything breaks loose! You're talking about events that will be taking place after the church is gathered and God's wrath begins.

 

[Noose]

Hello Noose,


This approach to the book of Revelation, is exactly the problem as to why there is so much misinterpretation. Though there is definitely symbolism in this book, there is also the literal. The problem is that by interpreting everything as symbolic, the literal is distorted. A good rule of thumb when reading Revelation is, "If the plain, literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. Most of the symbolism in Revelation is revealed in Revelation itself.

Nope, there's only one approach and that's revelation by God through the spirit of prophesy interpretation. All rules of thumb do not suffice. A seven headed beast literally coming out of water would make sense to one person and not others, a one world government forcing people to receive a mark on their forehead and right arm would make sense to some and not others- the question still will remain, what is the real interpretation of these things?

Regarding the above, did you ever stop to think that what is being described is the state of the world prior to the events of wrath and the antichrists reign? And that is exactly what it is talking about. In other words, prior to God's wrath, people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up until everything breaks loose! You're talking about events that will be taking place after the church is gathered and God's wrath begins.

Yeaa i already thought about it and i know what i speak of. We are already deep into these things, we are almost over them now. Daniel already prophesied all these things all the way till we get to the end of the age. In Daniel's 70 week prophesy, by the time Jesus is born and dies, we were only left with 1 week till the end of the age. In the middle of this week, the antichrist starts to reign till the end. At what point in the week are we?

The 3.5years of antichrist are figurative, we are almost done with this 3.5 years i can assure you. The riddle/question is in Daniel and the answer also is in Daniel but the key to interpretation is in Revelation.

 

[wolfwint]

Is it possible that someone who is not believing in Jesus Christ could die and get to heaven? Explain your answer

John 3, 16 and John 1, 12 you need more?

 

[Chester]

Of course it does, Chester. Just believe it. There is very little difference between the critical Greek text and the Textus Receptus, so the English translations are almost identical between the KJB and the other versions. Since I stick to the KJB and the Textus Receptus, the text says VERY CLEARLY exactly what I have stated above. So just believe it.

Καὶ εἶδον ἄλλον ἄγγελον πετώμενον ἐν μεσουρανήματι, ἔχοντα εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον, εὐαγγελίσαι τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ πᾶν ἔθνος καὶ φυλὴν καὶ γλῶσσαν καὶ λαόν

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

Why should this be a problem, when the whole Bible deals in the supernatural?

To me your interpretation is not "a problem": It is just that a simple literal interpretation does not demand the interpretation you give.

If I said, "I was flying in a plane, having medication to give unto all the sick people upon the Earth": it might be simply that I "am having" it and I will give it to a doctor when I get off the plane who will then distribute it.

 

[louis]

Is it possible that someone who is not believing in Jesus Christ could die and get to heaven? Explain your answer

In Luke 10, the Lord gives an example of a priest, a Rabbi, and a Samaritan, of whom only the Samaritan who had not the law, nevertheless was the only one who did Gods Will.
So if you had to choose, which of these three would you prefer to be in the end?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[FONT=&quot]2 tim 2: 19a Nevertheless [/FONT]the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,”

one thing we can rest our faith on is jesus knows who has faith and who are impostors,

will anyone who does not have faith ever get the heaven? no!!

will anyone go to hell who ever had faith? The answer again is no.

the lord knows

 

[Chester]

In Luke 10, the Lord gives an example of a priest, a Rabbi, and a Samaritan, of whom only the Samaritan who had not the law, nevertheless was the only one who did Gods Will.
So if you had to choose, which of these three would you prefer to be in the end?

I would like to be like whichever one of them had the most faith in God!

 

[louis]

I would like to be like whichever one of them had the most faith in God!

Exactly, the Samaritan who in his heart believed in loving his neighbor which is Gods Will; while the other two believed not in loving their neighbor.
Though not having the law, and not having heard of Christ, the Samaritan nevertheless, had the faith in loving his neighbor.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To me your interpretation is not "a problem": It is just that a simple literal interpretation does not demand the interpretation you give.

Why are you being disingenuous about this? I have not given an "interpretation". I have simply reiterated what the Bible says. But your unbelief prevents you from simply believing the Bible. A lot of Christians are full of unbelief even after they have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is nothing to interpret. God has said that an angel will fly in the atmospheric heaven and proclaim the eternal Gospel to the whole earth. That may be startling to the natural man but to the believer it should be just as acceptable as angels appearing at Christ's empty tomb and declaring that he is risen.

 

[claysmithr]

Jew, Muslim, Hindu, animist, or atheist: what does it matter? Jesus is the only door to heaven!

New Testament: Jesus very clearly told the Jewish people (like Nicodemus) that: You must be born again.

I'm talking about Jewish people before Christ came. Do you think Abraham, Moses, etc. are in heaven?