Holy Bible vs Bible/ Word of God vs Scriptures

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Noose

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I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.
Similarly, it is better to say scriptures than call the bible 'the word of God' because from the scripture, we get to learn that the word of God is God. The word of God is also living- the scriptures are not alive and they are certainly not God.
Jesus also differentiates the two:

John 5:39 You pore over theScriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words thattestify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

What are your thoughts?
 
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Ha ha ha ha - you'll find out
you're a novice here just joined up

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Noose said:
I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.
Similarly, it is better to say scriptures than call the bible 'the word of God' because from the scripture, we get to learn that the word of God is God. The word of God is also living- the scriptures are not alive and they are certainly not God.
Jesus also differentiates the two:

John 5:39 You pore over theScriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words thattestify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

What are your thoughts?
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Scripture is equated with God's words. God's words are holy, pure, and without error. Scripture is holy, pure, and without error. Many of those on this board will disagree because they fail to believe that the same God who gave us His word and commanded us to live by it, failed to preserve His pure, holy word for us today.
 
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John146 said:
Scripture is equated with God's words. God's words are holy, pure, and without error. Scripture is holy, pure, and without error. Many of those on this board will disagree because they fail to believe that the same God who gave us His word and commanded us to live by it, failed to preserve His pure, holy word for us today.
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I do believe the scriptures are preserved, well preserved, but after Jesus' response in John 5:39 to the Pharisees who were bragging about the scriptures, then we should be able to learn that there's a difference between the word of God and scriptures.
 
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I do believe the scriptures are preserved, well preserved, but after Jesus' response in John 5:39 to the Pharisees who were bragging about the scriptures, then we should be able to learn that there's a difference between the word of God and scriptures.
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Those Pharisees did not see Jesus Christ foreshadowed in the OT Scriptures. They went about establishing their own righteousness by following the law. They thought they had eternal life by following the law. The Apostle Paul speaks addresses this:

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 
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I agree that the term "the word of God" or even "the Word of God" leads to misunderstanding, literalism and KJVOnlyism.
Scriptures is a closer term, when we say that Scriptures contain the revealed word/will of God.

On the other hand I do not have a problem to call it "holy", as we are holy too, land can be holy etc. It does not have to refer only to God.
 
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Sin against the words of God equals sin against God. The written word has a dual nature as the Lord Jesus. The two cannot be separated. Both are eternal truth. Both will judge men. See John 5:22-27, 12:48. Both can be blasphemed, Titus 2:5, Rev. 16:11. Both deserve exaltation and glorification, Philippians 2:9-11, 2 Thess. 3:1.
 
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trofimus said:
I agree that the term "the word of God" or even "the Word of God" leads to misunderstanding, literalism and KJVOnlyism.
Scriptures is a closer term, when we say that Scriptures contain the revealed word/will of God.

On the other hand I do not have a problem to call it "holy", as we are holy too, land can be holy etc. It does not have to refer only to God.
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I tend to think the holy land is only holy because of the presence of God. Moses was told to remove his shoes because the ground was holy signifying the presence of Holy God on a ground that he would normally pass without any care.
Believers can also be holy because God dwells in them.
Jerusalem is called Holy - it is symbolic of believers.
 
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John146 said:
Sin against the words of God equals sin against God. The written word has a dual nature as the Lord Jesus. The two cannot be separated. Both are eternal truth. Both will judge men. See John 5:22-27, 12:48. Both can be blasphemed, Titus 2:5, Rev. 16:11. Both deserve exaltation and glorification, Philippians 2:9-11, 2 Thess. 3:1.
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Did you know that bibles are banned in certain countries? if you are caught with one, it is burnt in front of you.
 
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Noose said:
I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.
Similarly, it is better to say scriptures than call the bible 'the word of God' because from the scripture, we get to learn that the word of God is God. The word of God is also living- the scriptures are not alive and they are certainly not God.
Jesus also differentiates the two:

John 5:39 You pore over theScriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words thattestify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

What are your thoughts?
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To make something holy is to set it apart for the unseen purpose of one not seen. If God has written it with His finger. I would ask why would it not used as Holy for that one porpose?

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Mount Sinai is considered a Holy mountain yet the dirt of it is not different than the neighboring mountain .
 
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Noose said:
Did you know that bibles are banned in certain countries? if you are caught with one, it is burnt in front of you.
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Jesus is banned in those countries...
 
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Another one Vs another question. Each phrase is applicable in it's own way. Life is too short to make an issue out of this.
 
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garee said:
To make something holy is to set it apart for the unseen purpose of one not seen. If God has written it with His finger. I would ask why would it not used as Holy for that one porpose?

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Mount Sinai is considered a Holy mountain yet the dirt of it is not different than the neighboring mountain .
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Mount Sinai was holy because of the presence of God.
 
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Jesus is banned in those countries...
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Not really, in some Muslim countries, they would have nothing to do with the bible but they wouldn't bother anyone if they speak highly about Jesus so long as you don't ascribe deity to Him.
 
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Noose said:
I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.
Similarly, it is better to say scriptures than call the bible 'the word of God' because from the scripture, we get to learn that the word of God is God. The word of God is also living- the scriptures are not alive and they are certainly not God.
Jesus also differentiates the two:

John 5:39 You pore over theScriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words thattestify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

What are your thoughts?
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I think your argument is slightly flawed. Saved persons are holy and are called to be holy; 1 Corinthians 1:2; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:15-17. Things can also be holy as well, consider the OT vessels, the ark &c.

I don't see referencing Scripture as being holy troublesome or incorrect, nor do I see referring to Scripture as the Word of God to be incorrect either as Paul did this himself; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Acts 17:1ff.
 
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Noose said:
I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.
Similarly, it is better to say scriptures than call the bible 'the word of God' because from the scripture, we get to learn that the word of God is God. The word of God is also living- the scriptures are not alive and they are certainly not God.
Jesus also differentiates the two:

John 5:39 You pore over theScriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words thattestify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

What are your thoughts?
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If the bible a person reads is not alive and speaking to the reader then the reader needs to get a different bible.

Also the bible says the bible is alive.

Hebrews 4:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 
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Not really, in some Muslim countries, they would have nothing to do with the bible but they wouldn't bother anyone if they speak highly about Jesus so long as you don't ascribe deity to Him.
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An un-deified prophet Jesus is a false one. He isn't the same Jesus we worship.
 
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KJV1611 said:
If the bible a person reads is not alive and speaking to the reader then the reader needs to get a different bible.

Also the bible says the bible is alive.

Hebrews 4:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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This is about Christ, IMHO.
 
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