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[RNCM]

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[RNCM]

Mathew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[RNCM]

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Contradictions between the commandments of the Law and the Faith of Christ?
Not at all.

　

 

[RNCM]

SO for a Christian what is SIN if there is no Law (Torah)?
1John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[RNCM]

Here is the point: We can use words like " the Sinaitic covenant" and make it sound like the Law is a whole other faith system, but this theology only destroys the witness of the perfect God of the Bible, especially when those who say their God is the True God and the Bible is His Word and that Christ is the Word made flesh...But what does it say when the Word those Christians believe in is contradicted by Ideas which can not be found in Scripture?

Biblical Faith is Important, ditch the unprovable stuff...prove all things hold fast that which is good.

Peace, lay off the angry style of writing

 

[graceNpeace]

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Those laws spoken of in vs 10 are not a reference to the Sinaitic covenant.
In the New covenant the way to become one of God's people is to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit as per Roman 8:12-16

"12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together."

Those laws that are spoken of, the ones that are written on our hearts and put into our minds are not a code of law but none other than the guidance of the Holy Spirit....

God is NOT our God because we have memorized laws and we are NOT people of God because we have memorized laws.
God is our God on this basis alone:
"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." Eph 2:8-9 NKJV
And, we are His people on this basis alone:
"12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together." Rom 8:8-16 NKJV

And if you really believe this:
"28 [FONT=&quot]For this is My blood of the new[/FONT][FONT=&quot][c][/FONT][FONT=&quot] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins[/FONT]" Matt 26:28 NKJV
then you should know the consequences of accepting the New covenant is the abrogation of Sinaitic covenant:
"[FONT=&quot]3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,[a] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you[b] as crucified? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do itby the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[c] 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”[d] 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.[/FONT]
[h=3]The Law Brings a Curse[/h][FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[g][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.[/FONT]
[h=3]The Changeless Promise[/h][FONT=&quot]15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it isconfirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[i] who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[j] that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.[/FONT]
[h=3]Purpose of the Law[/h][FONT=&quot]19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.[/FONT]
[h=3]Sons and Heirs[/h]26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

 

[Redeemed2015]

When you try to convince me that I am subject to a covenant (the Sinaitic covenant) and its dietary laws, when it is quite clear as a New covenant believer that I am not then I lose interest in what you are saying.....
If those dietary laws are still in force then so is the ENTIRE Torah...is this your message?

First off, you are not very educated as you have equated The Law and The Abrahamic(Sinaitic) Covenant.
The Law is not the Covenant, the Law was part of the Old Covenant. As well as part of the New Covenant according to G-D HIMSELF in Jeremiah 31. The Law is eternal, according to G-D. The Dietary instructions are still valid in the life of believers as G-D HIMSELF says they shall endure in "throughout all generations". I would dare to suggest you study what the Covenants are before making such atrocious and unbiblical claims.

 

[OneFaith]

He’s saying you know and I know false gods are not real. The food comes from God. But it’s an appearance of evil if someone thinks that by you eating it that you are participating in a worship to a false god- making it look like you are cheating on your God so-to-speak.

 

[graceNpeace]

First off, you are not very educated as you have equated The Law and The Abrahamic(Sinaitic) Covenant.
The Law is not the Covenant, the Law was part of the Old Covenant. As well as part of the New Covenant according to G-D HIMSELF in Jeremiah 31. The Law is eternal, according to G-D. The Dietary instructions are still valid in the life of believers as G-D HIMSELF says they shall endure in "throughout all generations". I would dare to suggest you study what the Covenants are before making such atrocious and unbiblical claims.

Oh goodness....
Who is confused!

The Abrahamic covenant is NOT the Sinaitic covenant.
The Sinaitic covenant was concluded between God and the people of Israel with Moses as the mediator, where else, but on Mount Sinai.

The Abrahamic covenant, surprise surprise, was between God and Abraham! Nothing I can find in the Genesis account convinces me that Sinai has anything to do with this covenant...

The first Scriptural reference to Sinai comes in Ex 16:1 and the first reference to Mount Sinai comes in Ex 19:11.
This sets the scene for God concluding the Sinaitic covenant and the giving of the law.

What you refer to, incorrectly and rather imprecisely, as the "Old" covenant is actually the Sinaitic covenant.
The use of term "Old covenant" is not biblical, and is loosely based on the supposition that if there is a "New covenant" (this is Biblical) then there must be an "Old covenant" (not Biblical) when in fact there are several covenants to be found in the Old Testament, most notably the Noahic covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, and the Sinaitic covenant!

So, perhaps you need to go and check YOUR facts...

 

[MarcR]

First off, you are not very educated as you have equated The Law and The Abrahamic(Sinaitic) Covenant.
The Law is not the Covenant, the Law was part of the Old Covenant. As well as part of the New Covenant according to G-D HIMSELF in Jeremiah 31. The Law is eternal, according to G-D. The Dietary instructions are still valid in the life of believers as G-D HIMSELF says they shall endure in "throughout all generations". I would dare to suggest you study what the Covenants are before making such atrocious and unbiblical claims.

Here is God's original instruction in the Law:

Gen 9:3-4
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
KJV


Here is God's instruction to NT believers:

1 Tim 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV


So what was the intent of Lev 11 and Deu 14?

Since men of Israel did NOT walk around with their circumcision showing and women were not circumcised, God gave Israel dietary laws as an outward sign of their participation in the Mosaic covenant.

With today's food fads those laws no longer even distinguish the Jews from their neighbors.

The outward sign of the New covenant is supposed to be our love for each other; if only we would live it.

 

[RNCM]

Paul makes my point in a nutshell, I then don't have to continue arguing with people who have no desire to allow God's Law to be spiritual just simply because they say so, and ignore everything Yhwh God said in it's totality...
Sin is transgression of the Law, plain and simple 1 John 3:4.
The Law is Spiritual! Sin is Fleshly.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. note

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[RNCM]

Oh yeah, and what are those works before ordained /prepared? And where were they ordained?
Eph 2:9 .. not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." Eph 2:8-9 NKJV
The Law on the Mount