Meat sacrificed to idols (Halal) YES or NO

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Noose

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Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

1 Cor 10:14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.18Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?



 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I wouldn't touch it. But then I'm vegetarian
 

Noose

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I wouldn't touch it. But then I'm vegetarian
I became a vegetarian when some people tried to force me to eat halal meat. Me and some Christians in a foreign country (100% muslims) were not allowed to slaughter a goat that we bought for ourselves, they said it wasn't acceptable for us and that they must slaughter for us what we are going to consume (not them). The rest of the Christians were fine with the arrangement but i wasn't.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I don't blame you, Halal slaughter is not very nice and they recite "in the name of Allah" over it. There are Halal slaughter houses in the west now and many supermarkets and restaurants sell Halal meat. You are brave to resist. But it may not always be so easy for you. Where are you? Kenya?

If your children are hungry and you have no other way to feed them I'm sure God would understand. Just make sure to pray over the food before you eat it. In the name of Jesus.

BTW I'm not a vegetarian for religious reasons, I just don't like meat :)
 

Noose

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I don't blame you, Halal slaughter is not very nice and they recite "in the name of Allah" over it. There are Halal slaughter houses in the west now and many supermarkets and restaurants sell Halal meat. You are brave to resist. But it may not always be so easy for you. Where are you? Kenya?

If your children are hungry and you have no other way to feed them I'm sure God would understand. Just make sure to pray over the food before you eat it. In the name of Jesus.

BTW I'm not a vegetarian for religious reasons, I just don't like meat :)
Yes, i'm a Kenyan working in Somaliland. Thanks for the advice.
 

blue_ladybug

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Does this mean I gotta give up bacon? LOL
 
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Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

1 Cor 10:14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.18Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?



His name as a authority is jealous seeing he owns all things but his love for His virtuous bride is not.She receives His suffering love.

A few things. The use of the word touch a key word is used to point to the consummation of the wedding as new creatures. It is also used in that way when Christ said ..Who touched him as in it is not profitable to touch a woman unwed....as that parable pointed to the whole church as His bride as new creatures. She as a virtuous woman or chaste virgin bride is made up of neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile but like the angels no way to procreate .No commandment to be fruitful and multiply

1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

1Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Luk 8:46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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Yes, i'm a Kenyan working in Somaliland. Thanks for the advice.
Psalm 91 For you,

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.


2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.


3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.


4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.


5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.


6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
 

Locutus

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If you want to "invoke" Paul in respect to Halal I don't think it applies as the animals are not being sacrificed as were those in the pagan rites Paul was speaking of.
 

Noose

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If you want to "invoke" Paul in respect to Halal I don't think it applies as the animals are not being sacrificed as were those in the pagan rites Paul was speaking of.
It could be worse today because satan reigns over every nation and tribes today.
 

Locutus

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How so - you are trying to tie a specific slaughter practice to sacrificial rites.
 

Noose

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How so - you are trying to tie a specific slaughter practice to sacrificial rites.
Slaughter practice???! halal slaughter by all standards is a sacrifice to allah, a foreign god.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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They are indeed being sacrificed to an ancient pagan god.


The slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must do the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah and then saying three times “Allahu akbar” (Allah is the greatest). Animals must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood should be drained from the carcass. The animal being slaughtered must face Mecca. During the process, a Muslim will recite a dedication, known as tasmiya or shahada. Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. The animal dies a slow and painful death.


Halal meat requires that the animal should be alive and conscious at the moment its throat is cut. In the Quran, it is provided that the animal should listen to the prayers of Allah. If it’s unconscious, then it won’t be able to do that.
 
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Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

1 Cor 10:14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.18Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?



I don't know that Islam's Allah would be considered an idol since there is no image.
 

Locutus

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Slaughter practice???! halal slaughter by all standards is a sacrifice to allah, a foreign god.
They do sacrifice animals at Eid Ul Adha, but that is not the same as Halal.

I think you are trying to conflate the two. You might not want to eat Eid meat.
 
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I won't buy halal nor kosher because too salty, cost to much.

I'm really not worried that it's sacrificed to some doesn't-exist-god, I'm just too cheap.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I don't know that Islam's Allah would be considered an idol since there is no image.
There is an image in Mecca. A black stone goddess. Devout Muslims bow to it five times daily. (Worldwide)
We don't use Islamic definitions, we use Biblical. Allah is a false god. In doesn't matter HOW Muslims represent it.