7 day creation (Genesis)

[Noose]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

 

[Nehemiah6]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

Paul said "We are fools for Christ's sake" but many Christians in this day and age do not wish to identify with that. The evolutionists have so totally overwhelmed all branches of modern knowledge that at least some Christians decided to surrender to their "superior wisdom". Some accepted the nonsense of evolution outright while others began to believe in Theistic Evolution. Those who did not wish to go that far postulated the Gap Theory, which would nicely accommodate those millions and billions of years for man to evolve (presumably from monkeys). Then we have the Day-Age proponents who can make Scripture say whatever they want it to say.

Nonetheless, for Christians the Bible is sufficient, and the creation account in Genesis 1 and 2 is what God has revealed -- the whole universe was created in six literal 24-hour days. And God rested on the seventh day having seen that everything He made and created was "very good" (perfect).

 

[Ugly]

Buckle? Such an accusatory tone for someone that is evidently clueless about the reasons or motives behind another's basis for belief. Already paints you in a bad light.
Waste of time answering someone that criticizes in their question.

 

[Noose]

Buckle? Such an accusatory tone for someone that is evidently clueless about the reasons or motives behind another's basis for belief. Already paints you in a bad light.
Waste of time answering someone that criticizes in their question.

It's an invitation to discuss, if you have any reasons as to why you think it could not be a literal week then just lay them down and if you don't want it's also fine.

 

[FlSnookman7]

For me it comes down to a simpler question, do I believe in God? If yes then why do we often have such a difficult time believing Him? He spoke all there is into being, He told us how He did it. So, since I know Him and I know He never lies, how can I do anything other than believe His Word?

 

[trofimus]

Because Genesis is not a scientific description.

They had neither needed vocabulary nor needed ideas to describe it technically. So they described it figurativelly.

 

[Noose]

For me it comes down to a simpler question, do I believe in God? If yes then why do we often have such a difficult time believing Him? He spoke all there is into being, He told us how He did it. So, since I know Him and I know He never lies, how can I do anything other than believe His Word?

There's a lot of lies out there and it's sweet to the ears.

 

[Noose]

Because Genesis is not a scientific description.

They had neither needed vocabulary nor needed ideas to describe it technically. So they described it figurativelly.

But why billions of years? billions of years only show a mindless process with no targets, but designed process from knowledge shouldn't take billions of years. Imagine, someone has knowledge of how to make a pen- he can do it within a day but if a pen was to just come from natural forces acting on ink and other materials, it would take millions of years and it is even impossible- so called improbable possibility.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I've never heard the argument. Have just never had the desire to read those threads. But I am assuming those who hold to it think they have squared it with scripture? I mean, I wouldn't think they would throw out scripture in favor of science. Of course...now I realize how stupid that probably sounds...I see people throw out certain scriptures for their theology all the time...

 

[trofimus]

But why billions of years? billions of years only show a mindless process with no targets, but designed process from knowledge shouldn't take billions of years. Imagine, someone has knowledge of how to make a pen- he can do it within a day but if a pen was to just come from natural forces acting on ink and other materials, it would take millions of years and it is even impossible- so called improbable possibility.

There is no time by God. We are like a sand, like a vapor, so for us, "billions of years" seem to be too long. Not for God, He is eternal, He has all the time He wishes, He is not in any rush.

Also, he does not need 7 days, its also too long, from your view. Creation can be done instantly.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Maybe for the first time, I will listen to it. But I'll be out again pretty quick if no one uses scripture.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:5, "And Elohim called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, one day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:8, "And Elohim called the expanse ‘heavens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:13, "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the third day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:19, "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the fourth day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:23, "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the fifth day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1:31, "And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the sixth day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2:3, "And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2:4, "These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim made earth and heavens."[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Ah...its already happening...
men who spoke by the Spirit didn't have the ability to tell it scientifically. pssh!

There were no scientific explanations about circumcision. But science has discovered the whole clotting protein thing in male babies. Science confirms Gods wisdom in it.

And a woman had a baby without having relations with a man. Scientists can now cause that with test tubes.

The Eber Scroll says to rub a piece of moldy bread on a cut. Now science has grown mold to make penicillin.

Science confirms scripture in whatever odd way by these things. But if you just discount the scripture what are you left with?? You're left with: don't eat eggs they're bad for and then a few years later, eat eggs they're good for you, sorry, we were mistaken on that.

Oh the arrogance!!

 

[trofimus]

Figurative description is not less true than scientific description.

Its juts not the same thing. Figurative description carries a message, scientific/technical description carries technical details.

Therefore, in figurative description, we are looking for the message, not for technical details.

 

[Noose]

There is no time by God. We are like a sand, like a vapor, so for us, "billions of years" seem to be too long. Not for God, He is eternal, He has all the time He wishes, He is not in any rush.

Also, he does not need 7 days, its also too long, from your view. Creation can be done instantly.

So when God said "... and there was evening and morning and that was the first day..." there's a possibility that He meant " .. there was 500 million years and another 500million years and that was the first epoch (billion years)"?

 

[trofimus]

So when God said "... and there was evening and morning and that was the first day..." there's a possibility that He meant " .. there was 500 million years and another 500million years and that was the first epoch (billion years)"?

God did not say that. Its a description/commentary of the writer.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

God did not say that. Its a description/commentary of the writer.

You have just left yourself with nothing

 

[Zmouth]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

In case you don't know, Evolution is the interpretation of Genesis adopted by the Catholic Church as the doctrine for the Christendom.

The Hypothesis of the Primordial Atom, was formally published by a Catholic Priest in scientific form in the 20th century which proposed that all space, matter, time and energy rapidly expanded from a highly condensed state to form our known and observed universe. If not mistaken, I think in the 1950's it was formally adopted by Papal decree to be compatible with the scriptures of Genesis and thus began being taught around the world directly and indirectly by the Catholic Church. While no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation but try to get any favorable peer review or scientific research project funded outside those parameters and see what kind of luck you have.

So why does the world the account of Genesis as literal, do you believe that the ability to communicate using the spoken word is the gift of speaking in tongues that the LORD gave to the man that he created in his image and likeness?

So if you believe a person can develop the ability to speak naturally then you must agree with the claim that primates can't speak because they don't have the vocal attributes necessary for them to speak, or else would be able to learn to speak, because the ability to speak is due solely to our vocal ability to produce sound.

And you would find the world agreed with you.

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Unlike humans, apes lack the anatomical pre-requisites for verbal language production. The organs within the vocal tract, such as larynx muscles and vocal cords, cannot be moved as freely and coordinated as in humans, especially not at a comparable speed. SOURCE: Why can't apes speak? — Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics

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However, a new research study at Princeton conducted in 2016 to determine if the evidence actually supported the presumption of primates lacking the anatomical prerequisites for verbal language reported these findings:

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“Now nobody can say that it’s something about the vocal anatomy that keeps monkeys from being able to speak — it has to be something in the brain. Even if this finding only applies to macaque monkeys, it would still debunk the idea that it’s the anatomy that limits speech in nonhumans,” Ghazanfar said. “Now, the interesting question is, what is it in the human brain that makes it special?”Source: https://www.princeton.edu/news/2016/12/09/monkey-speak-macaques-have-anatomy-not-brain-human-speech

And what is the religious perception? of course in the updated answer posted in 2017.​

Despite the desire of evolutionists to explain the origin of language—and everything else—through common ancestry, convergent evolution, natural selection, and random natural processes, neither biological nor linguistic observations support their claims. Human brain size and complexity, including the connections that support our capacity to use language, are radically different from those of any animal.. Source: http://answersingenesis.org/human-e.../what-would-a-monkey-say-if-it-had-a-mind-to/

Do you believe that the ability to communicate using the written "spoken word" evolved or was it given to man by the LORD?

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So what is the religious perspective? (Is highly developed a code word for evolved )

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By the time of Moses, human writing was highly developed. Archaeologists have discovered writing on stone (called inscriptions), on clay tablets (using a wedge-form of writing called cuneiform), animal hides, wood, and other materials. We believe that Moses wrote in Hebrew, the language of the Israelites, and that he wrote on animal hides in a scroll format. Source: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/how-did-we-get-the-bible-in-english/

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So did you teach yourself how to read? Did you learn to read without a book? ​

 

[Noose]

God did not say that. Its a description/commentary of the writer.

Gen 1: 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

12The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
18to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

God is describing how it happened.

 

[trofimus]

Gen 1: 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

12The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
18to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

God is describing how it happened.

Its not a quotation of God. Its a story told by a writer. If God inspired today´s scientist to write the Genesis account, different words would be used.