Once Saved, Always Saved ... OR Can you Lose your Salvation?

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LaurieB

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Would love to hear different points of view on this and Scirptural support of your view if you have it.
 

Dino246

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Welcome, LaurieB.
You can run a search on this forum to see the voluminous discussions for and against "once saved, always saved" or "OSAS" as it's sometimes called. :)
 

joaniemarie

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LOL RickyZ!! But actually it's always an excellent subject. It's about the faithfulness of Christ our Great High Priest who always makes intercession for the saints. As long as He lives., so do we. Jesus lives after the power of an endless life.
Hebrews 7:16-17

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who has been constituted a Priest, not on the basis of a bodily legal requirement [an externally imposed command concerning His physical ancestry], but on the basis of the power of an endless and indestructible Life.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]For it is witnessed of Him, You are a Priest forever after the order (with the rank) of Melchizedek.



Hebrews 7:25
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him and intervene for them.


Welcome to CC Laurie!!
 
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Locutus

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You'll will get both sides here - topics been done to death.
 

Lewiz

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You can lose your salvation, of course.

That is why the church is in such a condition that it is in these last days.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Who among us does not think they are saved? Does it even matter if we think we are saved?

God judges these things not us.

you know, for some reason, the Bible assures us we can actually be assured of our salvation

it's not 50% chance of hitting the target...Jesus hit the target for us dead center

we are not judged for our salvation in Christ Jesus. our righteous standing before God has been obtained by His Son


to whom it may concern: just addressing the above.

not digging up the vast final resting places of similar threads...but the op should do that...lots of info ...
 

notuptome

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Who among us does not think they are saved? Does it even matter if we think we are saved?

God judges these things not us.
We must know we are saved. There is to be no doubt about our salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Would love to hear different points of view on this and Scirptural support of your view if you have it.
You're faced down in the middle of the Atlantic for a few hours. Someone comes along, pulls you out, brings you back from the dead, brings your temperature back up, feeds, you and place you back on dry land.

Who is the savee? Who is the Savior? For some unknown reason may of us think we're the ones who did the saving. Noper. We're the Savee. The Lord is the Savior.

And whom he saved, he promised his Father he would keep.

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

I don't believe in OSAS, because that is an old argument against Reformed beliefs. And it is also used for hypergrace in that we no longer have to do anything because it's all in God's hands. (We don't have to do anything. We love him, therefore want to do.) I do however believe that when the Lord saves someone he keeps the person saved.

The bigger question is, "Are you really saved?"
 

notuptome

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I don't believe in OSAS, because that is an old argument against Reformed beliefs. And it is also used for hypergrace in that we no longer have to do anything because it's all in God's hands. (We don't have to do anything. We love him, therefore want to do.) I do however believe that when the Lord saves someone he keeps the person saved.

The bigger question is, "Are you really saved?"
I thought you were in the Calvinism camp? The 'p' in Calvinism is perseverance of the saints.

The Calvinists went to eternal security against the Roman Catholic concept of salvation dependence on works to maintain grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Eternal life

Never hunger thirst die

Never be lost

Live forever

Have been given ALL things

Sealed by the spirit UNTIL the day of redemtpion

Passed from death to life

Perfected forever

Been saved

These promises, and so many others which are spoken of about gods children, prove salvation can never be lost. Otherwise non of these promisesd are true.
 

PlainWord

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Would love to hear different points of view on this and Scirptural support of your view if you have it.
Heb 6:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,​
[SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


But this of course was said to the Jewish people in the first century who were at Pentecost. This could not be said of us because we are in the "age to come" now. They were still in the Mosaic Age at the time. I'm pretty sure if one accepts Christ then later in life rejects Him and tells Him they no longer wish to go to heaven and would prefer eternal damnation that that person's prayer requests are likely to be granted.
 

valiant

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You can lose your salvation, of course.

That is why the church is in such a condition that it is in these last days.
You can lose YOUR salvation, whatever it is. You cannot lose GOD'S salvation. When He saves a man he is truly saved. John 6.39; John 10.27-29; 1 Cor 1.9; Phil 2.6; 2 Tim 1.9; Tit 3.5-7; Heb 7.25. The question is whether you are trusting in your salvation or God's.
 
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But this of course was said to the Jewish people in the first century who were at Pentecost. This could not be said of us because we are in the "age to come" now. They were still in the Mosaic Age at the time.
None of these statements are true. The author was addressing all Hebrew believers whether they were at Pentecost or not, he was speaking of the coming age when Christ returns, and the old covenant and its law (Mosaic Age) ended at the cross.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Heb 6:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,​
[SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


But this of course was said to the Jewish people in the first century who were at Pentecost. This could not be said of us because we are in the "age to come" now. They were still in the Mosaic Age at the time. I'm pretty sure if one accepts Christ then later in life rejects Him and tells Him they no longer wish to go to heaven and would prefer eternal damnation that that person's prayer requests are likely to be granted.
This is not true, these words are just as applicable today for all people as they were the day they were written.
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Once saved always saved? The short answer is yes, however none are saved until the return of the Messiah, and since He is the judge it is up to Him who is saved and who is not. A key factor is the misunderstanding of the difference between “born again” (which is receiving an eternal spirit body) and a “new heart” (Ezekiel 36:26-28, Ezekiel 11:19-21, Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16) . People have mistaken receiving a “new heart” as “born again” (John 3:3-6, 1 Peter 1:3-9,1 Peter 1:23, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, Mat 24:29-31) All verses and more will be posted below.[/FONT]