I find this very interesting thought. It sounds like you're saying the end was with the disciples, 2000 + years ago. Please explain? Am I understanding this incorrectly? What do you mean? And if I am understanding correctly what was it the end of? Does Y-shuas return not have an "end times" root to it?
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I find this very interesting thought. It sounds like you're saying the end was with the disciples, 2000 + years ago. Please explain? Am I understanding this incorrectly? What do you mean? And if I am understanding correctly what was it the end of? Does Y-shuas return not have an "end times" root to it?
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If that was the end, when did Christ return?
When Jesus was aksed when those things would be, WHy did jesus speak of a bunch of events which must take place, like wars and rumors of wars. Nation rising against nation kingdom against kingdom (many years spoken of here) and that was just the begining of things which must take place before the end is to come?
When Jesus was aksed when those things would be, WHy did jesus speak of a bunch of events which must take place, like wars and rumors of wars. Nation rising against nation kingdom against kingdom (many years spoken of here) and that was just the begining of things which must take place before the end is to come?
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I pray that Jesus finds us all busy obeying his great commission. Carrying on his ministry. May he find the faith when he returns.
We have no part in the end times per say as we are not appointed to wrath. How ever we will suffer for our beliefs and many will turn away from the truth. When the time of the gentiles are fulfilled we shall be taken out of this world along with the Holy Spirit.
Untill then may we keep on keeping on.
We have no part in the end times per say as we are not appointed to wrath. How ever we will suffer for our beliefs and many will turn away from the truth. When the time of the gentiles are fulfilled we shall be taken out of this world along with the Holy Spirit.
Untill then may we keep on keeping on.
I Am sorry for the way I was upset addressing being puffed up with knowledge in the post below. While it's written that "Knowledge puffs up but Love builds up." I recognise I'm also vulnerable to think I know: in this life we have to accept that we know in part and be gentle with each other, to remain in the Humility of Christ.
"If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should."
Father forgive us as we forgive, lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, that we may live in your kingdom.
"If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should."
Father forgive us as we forgive, lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, that we may live in your kingdom.
Well i knew that was not going to happen and sure enough this morning i woke up on the same planet earth in the same body experiencing the same flesh life i was experiencing yesterday.. 
Always be watching and looking forward to the blessed hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Escatas in Greek is last and escatalogy is study of end times. Now studying end times is important because we watch for the Lord's return. The book of revelation revealed a chronology of end times events (seals trumpets vials) and Jesus gave symptoms or signs of the end based on man's evil (lovers of themselves, boastful, ). And from Daniel and Revelation we know this is a seven year time. We rapture at the last Trumpet. As Christ explained the wheat is taken after the weeds are cast in fire at the end. All this is plan in the Bible. What to look for. The evil heart in mankind; the rebuilding of the temple; the signing of a seven year contract with requirements of a keeping of Israel Daniel 9:24-27.
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All I expect that if God says something it will come true. If what he said does not happen. Then he is not to be listened to If the prophet is wrong, then God was wrong.
Duet 18: [FONT="]when a prophet speaks in the name of the [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="], if the thing does [/FONT]not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
Prophesy proves who God is and he is really God..
There is a parable of David coming as a thief, a parable because of hidden meaning about Jesus coming as a thief. David asked Nabal for help. "For as much as you did it not to the least of these my brethren you did it not to me." David and his army go to invade Nabals house (This is where we are presently, the Lord is coming as a thief to judge the earth), but the Bride intercedes, and after Nabal died she is married with David. Jesus comes as a thief when the hardness of heart, refusal from the foolish is full. Much Like the sin of Sodom "Pride and fullness of bread and abundance. of idleness and refusal to stretch out your hand to the poor." Still dosent help to know when He comes as a thief except a time when people are refusing to acknowledge God and they will die in their hardness of heart finding out
Hello SpoonJuly,
My honesty can be found below in the word of God:
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.But understand this: If the owner of the house (believer) had known at what time of night the thief was coming (Jesus), he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you (believer) also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you (believer) do not expect him." - Matt.24:42-44
In relation to this, Jesus also warns believers of the following:
"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
"Closing on you suddenly like a trap" is synonymous with "sudden destruction" in the other scripture. It is referring to the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which follows after Jesus comes to gather His church like a thief in the night, then sudden destruction will come upon the whole earth.
In the scripture above, the warning to "watch" is obviously to the believer by the statement "you do not know on what day your Lord will come." The Lord is telling all believers to keep watch because, like the good man of the house who doesn't know at what time the thief would break in and therefore must always watch, so also those in Christ don't know at what time the Lord will return to gather us.
Below is 1 Thessalonians 5:1
"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."
The scripture above which you are claiming regarding the Lord coming "like a thief" as being to "the lost" demonstrates that Paul is obviously speaking to believers and that by the use of the word "brothers." The Lord's coming will be like a thief in the night, meaning that we who are looking for His appearing "like a thief" don't know when the Lord will return. The inferrance is imminency. The last part of the scripture is what happens to unbelievers after the Lord comes like a thief in the night to gather His church:
"While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."
In conclusion, the Lord returns to gather the church like a thief in the night. After that, sudden destruction will come upon the whole world in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. But the reference to coming like "a thief in the night" is directed to all believers as how the Lord is going to come. Not knowing when the thief is going to break in, is a comparison to those who are watching for the Lord's return. In the parable, Jesus is the thief and we are the home owners. And since we don't know what time the thief is going to come to rob our house, we must always be watching.
I sincerely hope that this gives more clarity regarding this issue.
My honesty can be found below in the word of God:
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.But understand this: If the owner of the house (believer) had known at what time of night the thief was coming (Jesus), he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you (believer) also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you (believer) do not expect him." - Matt.24:42-44
In relation to this, Jesus also warns believers of the following:
"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
"Closing on you suddenly like a trap" is synonymous with "sudden destruction" in the other scripture. It is referring to the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which follows after Jesus comes to gather His church like a thief in the night, then sudden destruction will come upon the whole earth.
In the scripture above, the warning to "watch" is obviously to the believer by the statement "you do not know on what day your Lord will come." The Lord is telling all believers to keep watch because, like the good man of the house who doesn't know at what time the thief would break in and therefore must always watch, so also those in Christ don't know at what time the Lord will return to gather us.
Below is 1 Thessalonians 5:1
"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."
The scripture above which you are claiming regarding the Lord coming "like a thief" as being to "the lost" demonstrates that Paul is obviously speaking to believers and that by the use of the word "brothers." The Lord's coming will be like a thief in the night, meaning that we who are looking for His appearing "like a thief" don't know when the Lord will return. The inferrance is imminency. The last part of the scripture is what happens to unbelievers after the Lord comes like a thief in the night to gather His church:
"While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."
In conclusion, the Lord returns to gather the church like a thief in the night. After that, sudden destruction will come upon the whole world in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. But the reference to coming like "a thief in the night" is directed to all believers as how the Lord is going to come. Not knowing when the thief is going to break in, is a comparison to those who are watching for the Lord's return. In the parable, Jesus is the thief and we are the home owners. And since we don't know what time the thief is going to come to rob our house, we must always be watching.
I sincerely hope that this gives more clarity regarding this issue.
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So why did you stop at 1 Thess. 5:3?
If you will continue to read--
Verse 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should over take you as a thief.
Verse 5. Ye are the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Like you always do, you make Scripture say what you want it to say while ignoring what it really says.
If you will continue to read--
Verse 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should over take you as a thief.
Verse 5. Ye are the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Like you always do, you make Scripture say what you want it to say while ignoring what it really says.
Hello again,
I don't know why you would include the above, because it is not supporting your claim. As you can see, what Paul is saying is directed to the "Brothers" i.e. believers in Christ. The reference to "that day" over taking them like a thief would be referring to the Lord coming like a thief to gather the church. What takes place after He comes like a thief will be the wrath of God, which is that sudden destruction. I've already gone over this in the previous post, but obviously ignored it. So here it is again:
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.But understand this: If the owner of the house (believer) had known at what time of night the thief was coming (Jesus), he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you (believer) also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you (believer) do not expect him." - Matt.24:42-44
In the scripture above, the reference to "coming like a thief" is to believers, not unbelievers. Yes, unbelievers will suffer the wrath of God after the Lord comes like a thief, but the reference to "coming like a thief" is a warning to watch i.e. for the believer to be in a ready state all times until the Lord comes to gather us.
Coming like a thief in the night = Gathering of the church which is imminent
After the gathering of the church = Wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
In addition, why would the warning to come like a thief in the night be to the unbeliever, when they don't read the word of God?
I don't know why you would include the above, because it is not supporting your claim. As you can see, what Paul is saying is directed to the "Brothers" i.e. believers in Christ. The reference to "that day" over taking them like a thief would be referring to the Lord coming like a thief to gather the church. What takes place after He comes like a thief will be the wrath of God, which is that sudden destruction. I've already gone over this in the previous post, but obviously ignored it. So here it is again:
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.But understand this: If the owner of the house (believer) had known at what time of night the thief was coming (Jesus), he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you (believer) also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you (believer) do not expect him." - Matt.24:42-44
In the scripture above, the reference to "coming like a thief" is to believers, not unbelievers. Yes, unbelievers will suffer the wrath of God after the Lord comes like a thief, but the reference to "coming like a thief" is a warning to watch i.e. for the believer to be in a ready state all times until the Lord comes to gather us.
Coming like a thief in the night = Gathering of the church which is imminent
After the gathering of the church = Wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
In addition, why would the warning to come like a thief in the night be to the unbeliever, when they don't read the word of God?
Below is another example of the imminency of the Lord coming like a thief:
"But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matt.24:48-51
Though the words "coming like a thief" is not used in the scripture above, that is what is being referred to by the Lord saying to the believer "He will come on a day when he (the believer) does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of." Like a thief, imminency.
"But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matt.24:48-51
Though the words "coming like a thief" is not used in the scripture above, that is what is being referred to by the Lord saying to the believer "He will come on a day when he (the believer) does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of." Like a thief, imminency.
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And again ignoring what is said.
The servant is told to watch just as we are told to watch.
The servant who does not watch is the one surprised at his master's coming.
The saint that does not watch for the signs of His coming will be surprised.
I will grant you that most Saints will be surprised because they are not watching.
I will add that people like you are going to be surprised when the man of sin comes and you have not been raptured out.
The servant is told to watch just as we are told to watch.
The servant who does not watch is the one surprised at his master's coming.
The saint that does not watch for the signs of His coming will be surprised.
I will grant you that most Saints will be surprised because they are not watching.
I will add that people like you are going to be surprised when the man of sin comes and you have not been raptured out.