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mcubed

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If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?
 

Locutus

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For a start you need to understand what the scriptures says about and when the "end times" were:

Acts 2:17 ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says,‘THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

Peter was living in the last days of the old covenant world of Israel. As the last days came to their conclusion and their end as John spoke of being in the last hour:

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

John was writing in the last hour - therefore the "end times" were imminently upon them.

Extending these last days and the last hour into our time is to totally misunderstand the scripture, in fact it is to totally reject their inspired statements.
 

Nehemiah6

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If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?
"End times" prophecies are only a part of the total picture. When people speak about end times they think about the judgments to come upon the earth. But that is not the end of the story. There is much more after those judgments and ultimately the New Heavens and the New Earth are established for eternity.

Bible-believing Christians should consider themselves privileged, in that out of the whole population of the world, they KNOW that God has a plan for His universe, for His Church, and for the New Earth (which will included redeemed and restored Israel). No one else has a clue as to what is to come in the future. And that is not because God plays favorites, but because the majority of mankind ignores the Bible or refuses to believe what has been revealed.

Sin and evil will NOT continue forever, corruption and injustice will NOT continue forever, and sinners and evildoers will NOT continue forever. That is what Christians should understand. In the meantime, they have a job to do, and God expects hard work and diligence. For the propagation of the Gospel and for the discipling of believers. For the extension of His Kingdom. And Christians should also be aware that Christ can come for His saints AT ANY TIME. Later on He will come with His saints and angels back to earth and establish the Kingdom of God on earth.
 

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We are in the last days (End times); Right from Jesus' death and resurrection, to this point until the end of the age is referred to as the end times- figuratively 3.5 years of antichrist rule here on earth. Yes, we are in it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Extending these last days and the last hour into our time is to totally misunderstand the scripture, in fact it is to totally reject their inspired statements.
If you really believe this Locutus, could you kindly tell us what are the evidences of the present existence of the New Heavens and the New Earth, and when exactly was this earthly globe destroyed totally by supernatural fire to make way for the New Earth? Do you see where your delusional Preterism leads you?
 

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If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

To me the practical application is that my time on this world is nearing and end, even if I live to be 100 i'm almost halfway. The more I can live as if Jesus is coming back in 15 minutes, the better I reflect His love for me. When things are bad if I can just remember that this too shall pass, it gives me hope.
 

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For a start you need to understand what the scriptures says about and when the "end times" were:

Acts 2:17 ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says,‘THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

Peter was living in the last days of the old covenant world of Israel. As the last days came to their conclusion and their end as John spoke of being in the last hour:

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

John was writing in the last hour - therefore the "end times" were imminently upon them.

Extending these last days and the last hour into our time is to totally misunderstand the scripture, in fact it is to totally reject their inspired statements.
I don't think I should respond, if your in denial of the Lord returning now at the end of time, I should walk away, cant fix people.
 

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If you really believe this Locutus, could you kindly tell us what are the evidences of the present existence of the New Heavens and the New Earth, and when exactly was this earthly globe destroyed totally by supernatural fire to make way for the New Earth? Do you see where your delusional Preterism leads you?
Like I said I should walk away.
 

p_rehbein

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Today is 3-18-18!

6-6-6 = 18!

Today is:

6-6-6 6-6-6!


THE WORLD ENDS TODAY!

(uh, er, except for those folks on that wee island waaayyy across the world where tomorrow has already dawned....)

 

PlainWord

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If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

I agree with LOCUTUS, he is a brilliant man and knows the Bible. All the so-called "end times" passages in the NT dealt with the destruction of Israel and Jerusalem and the end of THEIR age. The "great tribulation" as mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse also dealt with the destruction of the temple, of Jerusalem, and of the Nation of Israel. This was the end of their age, the Mosaic Age.

As for our future and when or if our age will end, nobody knows. We were not given any signs. As a practical matter, we will be with Christ and God when we die. No more waiting (sleeping) in Hades as the earlier saints did.
 

PlainWord

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I don't think I should respond, if your in denial of the Lord returning now at the end of time, I should walk away, cant fix people.
The same can be said of you dear brother. Those who rely on the many passage discussing the Parousia (Presence) return of Christ simply do not know their history nor the nature of His return. He came to pass judgment upon the apostate Jews in the first century, just as He (and others) often predicted. He presence (Parousia) indeed did return and it was recorded in history. But for those who are not students of history and only rely on teachings of today's many pastors, you would not know this and would be led astray in false hopes.

We live, we die, we immediately go to heaven. This is the way of our age, 2,000 years now and counting.
 

Locutus

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The same can be said of you dear brother. Those who rely on the many passage discussing the Parousia (Presence) return of Christ simply do not know their history nor the nature of His return. He came to pass judgment upon the apostate Jews in the first century, just as He (and others) often predicted. He presence (Parousia) indeed did return and it was recorded in history. But for those who are not students of history and only rely on teachings of today's many pastors, you would not know this and would be led astray in false hopes.

We live, we die, we immediately go to heaven. This is the way of our age, 2,000 years now and counting.
The voice of two crying in the wilderness or at the wildebeests.....
 

PlainWord

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If you really believe this Locutus, could you kindly tell us what are the evidences of the present existence of the New Heavens and the New Earth, and when exactly was this earthly globe destroyed totally by supernatural fire to make way for the New Earth? Do you see where your delusional Preterism leads you?
Let me assist my good friend. The existing prophetic models all teach John’s “new heaven and a new earth” (Rev. 21:1) is the eternal state. Here are examples:

William Hendriksen represents amillennialism when he speaks of Rev. 21:3. He says, “the fact that these words refer to the new heaven and earth, to fully redeemed humanity as it shall exist after the judgment day is plain as daylight.”

George Eldon Ladd is a historic premillennialist. He says this vision is of “the ultimate destiny of God’s people.”

Walter Scott is a dispensational premillennialist. He says Rev. 21:1–8 describes “the eternal state.”

The postmillennialist Russell Bradley Jones agrees. “The new heavens and the new earth, as described in Revelation 21 and 22, show . . . all the glories of that eternal age.”

Keep in mind in Revelation John writes about both the physical and spiritual realm. Please be sure you know which realm John is discussing before you throw insults (like "delusional Preterism") at people especially LOC whose knowledge on this subject matter is far superior. Which realm was John discussing when he left off in Rev 20?
 

PlainWord

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The voice of two crying in the wilderness or at the wildebeests.....
Oh no, don't tell me we are the two witnesses!!?? Boy, is it ever amateur hour on here:cool:.
 
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I've read your posts noose. I can't say I was able to completely understand you but I did get that you seem to believe prophecy is more symbolic than literal. I personally see a mixture of the two most of the time.

Its not a mixture but is all one thing.

When looking at parables. It’s actually both. "prophecy signified" .Not one more than the other .Not only does he bring prophecy but he also signifies it every time a parable is in view.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and “signified it” by his angel unto his servant John:

The signified gives us the unseen spiritual understanding hid in parables. Like in the example in the parable found in Revelation 20.

Can’t literally see an angel and the literal key represent the gospel. It is the key that binds as a chain lying spirits that have no form (no dna) . the bottomless pit the security of of God's authority. The gates of hell will not prevail against the gospel

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

What do you think the word thousand signifies as to the spiritual understanding?? Amil?
 
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Oh no, don't tell me we are the two witnesses!!?? Boy, is it ever amateur hour on here:cool:.
The two witnesses are the law and the prophets called sola scriptura
 

Locutus

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Oh no, don't tell me we are the two witnesses!!?? Boy, is it ever amateur hour on here :cool:.
According to garee they are the law and the prophets:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

So much speculative madness.

I want to be the law - you can be the prophets.

Being the law I get a badge - you, eat yer locusts and wild honey.....
 
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"End times" prophecies are only a part of the total picture. When people speak about end times they think about the judgments to come upon the earth. But that is not the end of the story. There is much more after those judgments and ultimately the New Heavens and the New Earth are established for eternity.
"End times" prophecies are a picture of the “last day”. Six times in the book of John 6 the Holy Spirit used the phrase “last day” to indicate the second and final resurrection.. as well Judgment day for the unbeliever. The receiving of our new incorruptible body for the believer. So it not for judgements (plural) as if they will another day under the Sun as more than that of the “last day”

ohn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.


John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Again its all one work .Judgement day for the unbeliever, the receiving our new bodies for the believer... all in the twinkling of the eye

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



 

PlainWord

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Isaiah 65 is a discussion of first century AD Israel. The chapter starts with two groups of people, future Christians (both Jew and Greek) and unbelieving Jews and the fates of each group. The pending 70 AD destruction of Apostate Israel is then discussed along with the promise to His servants. His servants will eat and be without want while apostate Israel is starving behind their walls in the Roman siege.

Isaiah describes the “new heavens and a new earth” God would create (Isa. 65:17–25). His description occurs in a prophecy of the 1st century as it is transitioning to the Messianic Age. Isaiah 65:1–16 describes Messianic salvation.God says, “I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not calledby my name” (Isa. 65:1). The Apostle Paul says Christ’s first coming fulfilled this prophecy (Rom. 10:20–21). In his generation, Gentiles were finding salvation in the kingdom of God. Apostate Israel was rejecting it.
Isaiah’s prophecy contains several statements incompatible with the eternal state.

Death

Human death exists in Isaiah’s new heavens and new earth. He says, “the child shall die an hundred years old; butthe sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed” (Isa. 65:20). This creates a problem for prophetic frameworks.

Sinners

Isaiah 65:20 also declares sinners exist in the new heavens and earth. But, unrighteous persons cannot exist inheaven during the eternal state. All prophetic frameworks teach that God will separate the righteous from the wicked at (or before) the end of history. They base this teaching on Rev. 20:13-15 and similar passages. Thus, the new heaven and earth is not thee ternal state. Sinners and saints will not live and die together forever.

Offspring

Childbearing exists in Isaiah’saccount of the new heavens and new earth. He says, “They shall not labour invain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of theLORD, and their offspring with them.Child birth will not happen afterthe resurrection. So, this cannot describe the post-resurrection, eternal state.

Other Possible Problems

In his introduction to Isaiah 66,John Gill says “this chapter treats of the same things as the former.” And,near the end of the chapter, God again mentions “the new heavens and the newearth, which I will make” (Isa. 66:22). If this chapter is a continueddescription of this state, more problems appear. Then, animal death exists inthe “new heavens and new earth.” Isaiah says, “He that killeth an ox is as ifhe slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; hethat offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood” (Isa. 66:3). The prophet uses present-tense verbs. These sacrifices are realities for the time he is describing.

Delusion exists. God says, “they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions” (Isa. 66:3–4).

Evangelization will occur. In the new heavens and earth, some islands havenot heard of the fame of the Lord. God sends missionaries to them. “They shalldeclare my glory among the Gentiles. And they shall bring all your brethren foran offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, andin litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountainJerusalem, saith the LORD” (Isa. 66:19–20).

An eternal state where such thingsoccur is difficult if not impossible to visualize.
Since the Mosaic Age and the Law were coming to an end ("old heaven and earth"), and a new age would begin we get the phrase "New Heaven and Earth" to depict the new Messianic Age to come. It is really important to learn and understand the way the OT and NT prophets spoke especially when they are using figurative language. Not everything is literal. We speak in colorful figurative language in our times and tongues too and if taken literally by a foreigner thousands of years later, the meaning to them would also likely be quite different. A casual reader of the Bible will always misunderstand most of prophesy. This is why it is important to really study and live in the Word.
 
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The same can be said of you dear brother. Those who rely on the many passage discussing the Parousia (Presence) return of Christ simply do not know their history nor the nature of His return. He came to pass judgment upon the apostate Jews in the first century, just as He (and others) often predicted. He presence (Parousia) indeed did return and it was recorded in history. But for those who are not students of history and only rely on teachings of today's many pastors, you would not know this and would be led astray in false hopes.

We live, we die, we immediately go to heaven. This is the way of our age, 2,000 years now and counting.
Hello PW my friend! Which verses are the parousia your talking about.