God and Drug Addiction

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The scripture says, "Keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. (The "issues of life" speak of the Foundation of the Faith, which is "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified [1 Cor. 1:23]). Proverbs 4:23

JSM
Why did Paul warn the Believer by stating:

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Gal. 2:21).

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4).

And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30).
 
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The scripture says, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him (Acts 10:38).

The Apostle Paul warning to Believers (2 Tim. 2:24-26):
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves ; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

This is the result from falling from Grace!



 
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I have my suspicions about celebrate recovery.
They seem to want to invite everyone in to curse God.
A detail i will refrain from sharing over the internet. I can only ask you to be careful what you say around them.


be wary of wolves looking for prey.
It may not be the same for all of them.
But as soon as they begin inviting anyone to open up to total strangers about personal aspects of their lives. For no other reason than to lead people into lowering a Shield of Faith.


Ive witnessed first hand how some have subsequently shed their Discretion in a Conversation in Christ.
And the conversation was not of God.
No professed believer in the Holy of Yisrayl member of any Congregation would Ever speak The way they did to me That Day.
I am sorry that you had a bad experience, that should never happen at a Christ based recovery meeting. That said, they are staffed by humans. If you need help, don't let satan use a bad staffer to keep you from seeking help. If not cr or AA there are other options.
 
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I am sorry that you had a bad experience, that should never happen at a Christ based recovery meeting. That said, they are staffed by humans. If you need help, don't let satan use a bad staffer to keep you from seeking help. If not cr or AA there are other options.
No man or woman can change their life without the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:2;13). Remember the scripture says that the body is dead because of sin (Romans 8:10). The scripture says, "Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you have always done evil" (Jeremiah 13:23).
 

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No man or woman can change their life without the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:2;13). Remember the scripture says that the body is dead because of sin (Romans 8:10). The scripture says, "Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you have always done evil" (Jeremiah 13:23).

Not sure what you mean here. All I meant was that if you have an issue that you can not control, seek help. Yes, Jesus and Jesus alone saves and keeps and heals us but I have found, at least in my case, He uses other people to accomplish His will quite often.
 
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I am sorry that you had a bad experience, that should never happen at a Christ based recovery meeting. That said, they are staffed by humans. If you need help, don't let satan use a bad staffer to keep you from seeking help. If not cr or AA there are other options.
Thankyou for the kind words.

Once a person is reconciled there is little to dissuade them from Being in Good company.
 
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Not sure what you mean here. All I meant was that if you have an issue that you can not control, seek help. Yes, Jesus and Jesus alone saves and keeps and heals us but I have found, at least in my case, He uses other people to accomplish His will quite often.
Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary. The Believer must only apply the Cross of Christ where the victory was won to all problems. Regrettably, most in the modern Church have set the Cross aside, resorting to other things, which only bring death (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - worldliness - mans way).


 
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Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary. The Believer must only apply the Cross of Christ where the victory was won to all problems. Regrettably, most in the modern Church have set the Cross aside, resorting to other things, which only bring death (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - worldliness - mans way).


The Cross is a Finished Work. Consequently, all the Believer has to do is simply stretch out his hand and take it. All that the Cross represents is ours for the asking.
 

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I am a delivered addicted. You leave them to the the only One Source that can Save.... G-d! I promise you... If your adic is using and you are a Christian you cannot show us the light!!!! We know how to use that against you, make you feel guilty and exploit you!!!! A CLEAN ATTIC YES YOU CAN HELP!!!! But not if I know how how to manipulate you. Unless I/they have real time.... then there is a time to forgive.... but not before... We addicts use... people, places, things.... Masters!!!! Even "christian" adicts... we really know how to get a Christian then!!!! So what is the answer? Time.... There is a time for sowing and a time for reaping....

Maybe satin has something to do with it but it is not all so spiritual as you think.... Our mind and body want it and only G-d can deliver but if you are a human who is involved some way with the addict best to be involved by prayer far away.... We use people, places and things....

I have been clean by the grace of G-d for 25+ years from dope... Please believe me do not underestimate a using addict; abandon us so it is between G-d and us! Or we will take you for all you have and care latter...
 

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God delivered me completely from alcoholism when he saved me. I coming up to 38 years sober. But more than sober, I have never wanted another drink. That is totally the Holy Spirit, nothing to do with me.

As far as pain meds, I take them. But apparently, I do not get addicted. Seems weird, or maybe God is protecting me. I can miss a week or a month, and never notice. But, if I get some new kind of trauma, like my car accident 2 weeks ago, then I take them, until the chiropractor, physiotherapist and massage therapy start working, which has already happened.

I had some bad RA flares on the weekend. I have leaned that morphine won't touch them. After a night of not sleeping, I took my go-to drug, which is prednisone. Another highly addictive drug I have gotten off many times, although I am careful to wean, if the time has been too long, simply because it shuts off the adrenal gland and if you stop to quickly, you can actually die.

I know a lot of people addicted to Benzodiazepines, including my mother. The irony with that class of drugs? They are for anxiety, and they actually make you more anxious in the long run. Right in the diagnostic manual, yet psychiatrists continue to hand out these prescriptions like candy. So, many people need to wean off that, but they are too anxious to do it. Again, the irony!

I have personally not worked with people with addictions, although I know people who are in AA, or have worked through a lot. A friend of mine from church had an alcoholic husband, who was abusive, and got to a point where he could not work. He went into a Christian organization called "Freedom's Door." He also had bipolar disorder, and they would not let him take any bipolar meds. I know if someone told me I could not have my RA drugs, I would have walked out. He stayed, then decided to leave his wife and shack up with another woman. By then, he was a senior counsellor in that Christian organization. So, I guess putting "Christian" in front of something, doesn't always make it Christian.

I hate the distain people have for drug addicts. It is a very sad and tragic thing when people become addicted, usually with some kind of trauma in the background. My friend's husband, starting dreaming of Satanic ritual abuse, and one day his sister phoned him out of the blue and told him about her dreams and memories. Something really awful went on in that family. Any of us could have come from a background that led to addiction, or be addiction prone. There, but for the grace of God, go I!
 

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God delivered me completely from alcoholism when he saved me. I coming up to 38 years sober. But more than sober, I have never wanted another drink. That is totally the Holy Spirit, nothing to do with me.

As far as pain meds, I take them. But apparently, I do not get addicted. Seems weird, or maybe God is protecting me. I can miss a week or a month, and never notice. But, if I get some new kind of trauma, like my car accident 2 weeks ago, then I take them, until the chiropractor, physiotherapist and massage therapy start working, which has already happened.

I had some bad RA flares on the weekend. I have leaned that morphine won't touch them. After a night of not sleeping, I took my go-to drug, which is prednisone. Another highly addictive drug I have gotten off many times, although I am careful to wean, if the time has been too long, simply because it shuts off the adrenal gland and if you stop to quickly, you can actually die.

I know a lot of people addicted to Benzodiazepines, including my mother. The irony with that class of drugs? They are for anxiety, and they actually make you more anxious in the long run. Right in the diagnostic manual, yet psychiatrists continue to hand out these prescriptions like candy. So, many people need to wean off that, but they are too anxious to do it. Again, the irony!

I have personally not worked with people with addictions, although I know people who are in AA, or have worked through a lot. A friend of mine from church had an alcoholic husband, who was abusive, and got to a point where he could not work. He went into a Christian organization called "Freedom's Door." He also had bipolar disorder, and they would not let him take any bipolar meds. I know if someone told me I could not have my RA drugs, I would have walked out. He stayed, then decided to leave his wife and shack up with another woman. By then, he was a senior counsellor in that Christian organization. So, I guess putting "Christian" in front of something, doesn't always make it Christian.

I hate the distain people have for drug addicts. It is a very sad and tragic thing when people become addicted, usually with some kind of trauma in the background. My friend's husband, starting dreaming of Satanic ritual abuse, and one day his sister phoned him out of the blue and told him about her dreams and memories. Something really awful went on in that family. Any of us could have come from a background that led to addiction, or be addiction prone. There, but for the grace of God, go I!
I think this is a great submission! An active addict... is a liar cheat and a thief. But G-d rescues us all!!!!!!
 

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God delivered me completely from alcoholism when he saved me. I coming up to 38 years sober. But more than sober, I have never wanted another drink. That is totally the Holy Spirit, nothing to do with me.

As far as pain meds, I take them. But apparently, I do not get addicted. Seems weird, or maybe God is protecting me. I can miss a week or a month, and never notice. But, if I get some new kind of trauma, like my car accident 2 weeks ago, then I take them, until the chiropractor, physiotherapist and massage therapy start working, which has already happened.

I had some bad RA flares on the weekend. I have leaned that morphine won't touch them. After a night of not sleeping, I took my go-to drug, which is prednisone. Another highly addictive drug I have gotten off many times, although I am careful to wean, if the time has been too long, simply because it shuts off the adrenal gland and if you stop to quickly, you can actually die.

I know a lot of people addicted to Benzodiazepines, including my mother. The irony with that class of drugs? They are for anxiety, and they actually make you more anxious in the long run. Right in the diagnostic manual, yet psychiatrists continue to hand out these prescriptions like candy. So, many people need to wean off that, but they are too anxious to do it. Again, the irony!

I have personally not worked with people with addictions, although I know people who are in AA, or have worked through a lot. A friend of mine from church had an alcoholic husband, who was abusive, and got to a point where he could not work. He went into a Christian organization called "Freedom's Door." He also had bipolar disorder, and they would not let him take any bipolar meds. I know if someone told me I could not have my RA drugs, I would have walked out. He stayed, then decided to leave his wife and shack up with another woman. By then, he was a senior counsellor in that Christian organization. So, I guess putting "Christian" in front of something, doesn't always make it Christian.

I hate the distain people have for drug addicts. It is a very sad and tragic thing when people become addicted, usually with some kind of trauma in the background. My friend's husband, starting dreaming of Satanic ritual abuse, and one day his sister phoned him out of the blue and told him about her dreams and memories. Something really awful went on in that family. Any of us could have come from a background that led to addiction, or be addiction prone. There, but for the grace of God, go I!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Angela53510 again.
 

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The Cross is a Finished Work. Consequently, all the Believer has to do is simply stretch out his hand and take it. All that the Cross represents is ours for the asking.

Agreed. I have found that at least in my life, God seems to take away things like the compulsion to drink and my rage. I also have found that the best way for me to hold on to His gifts is to give them away.:)
 

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Christian disciplines do not give a Believer victory over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil.
Sorry for the late response I have been a bit busy the past couple of days. I don't understand what you mean by Christian disciplines I was speaking of where we stand in Christ and his kingdom and why we have authority not what disciplines we practice. But we do have victory in Christ over sin the world and yes even the devil, You seem to think we are powerless over the forces of darkness but if what you say is true then why bother even trying? We might as well just raise a white flag to the enemy now and not even bother to have faith
 

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If the work of the Holy Spirit was automatic, no Christian would ever fail. Faith in Christ and the Cross unlocks the door for Grace, the work of the Holy Spirit power and help (Romans 8:2).

Most Christians do not understand that the Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18).
No one ever said it was automatic. You know Technically I am a drug addict I am highly addicted to caffeine I require high amounts of it just to function normally during the day I mean insane amounts. I bear chains that I myself can never hope to break free from and these chains weigh heavily on me every day and no matter how much I cry out to God or pray to be free or even have other pray for me they ever budge even a little. How easily I could from experience alone confide with your point of view, I more than a lot of people know what it is like to be addicted to a highly addictive thing with seemingly no way out or hope that it will ever go away or having no hope at all that these chains will be shattered.
And yet I believe all the more in his power and that even if it isn't today even if it isn't even in 20 years these chains will one day hold no power over me and will be shattered so severely that they will never have any strength in my life again. I could easily think the enemy is so very strong and that the power of the holy spirit and that authority we have in him is pathetically weak but I believe in him far more than i do my circumstances.

I do not question why i still bear these chains because I intend to use them for Christ, one day I can give a testimony of how even with how amazingly strong the enemies chains were my kings power was that much stronger. It is only those who have either been through such addictions or are going through it that can truly understand this subject. True enough I am still trapped and bound in my chains no matter how much I try to break free but I see a man walking towards me who radiates the glory and power of the kingdom and he bears in his hands a key
 
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I am a delivered addicted. You leave them to the the only One Source that can Save.... G-d! I promise you... If your adic is using and you are a Christian you cannot show us the light!!!! We know how to use that against you, make you feel guilty and exploit you!!!! A CLEAN ATTIC YES YOU CAN HELP!!!! But not if I know how how to manipulate you. Unless I/they have real time.... then there is a time to forgive.... but not before... We addicts use... people, places, things.... Masters!!!! Even "christian" adicts... we really know how to get a Christian then!!!! So what is the answer? Time.... There is a time for sowing and a time for reaping....

Maybe satin has something to do with it but it is not all so spiritual as you think.... Our mind and body want it and only G-d can deliver but if you are a human who is involved some way with the addict best to be involved by prayer far away.... We use people, places and things....

I have been clean by the grace of G-d for 25+ years from dope... Please believe me do not underestimate a using addict; abandon us so it is between G-d and us! Or we will take you for all you have and care latter...
A Heavenly Father of Light pouring Blessings Through the Son and the Ruach of Life is a power no enemy can withstand.

no worm will survive the Divine Light of Grace upon the Lovingkindness spread over the Children who go to meet the Most High.

Blessings Always.
 
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We are not wrestling against flesh and blood. Satan has been defeated through the Cross. Principalities and powers have been spoiled (Col. 2:15). We are enforcing this victory through applying the Cross of Calvary to the pulling down strongholds by placing and maintain our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won, i.e., "The Blood of Jesus." Our source of Power is the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

We are told to be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might (Eph. 6:10). We walk and war in His strength. This requires humility and total dependence upon God (Luke 9:23). Authority and power must be used. We receive power through the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8). YOU USE YOUR WEAPONS BY FAITH - BY APPLYNG THE CROSS TO THE PROBLEM! Power = Dunamis - Exousia - Kratos. These weapons heal the sick, cast out devils, and raise the dead. We have been given the keys of the Kingdom (Matthew 16:19). This gives us the authority to bind and loose. To bind means to restrict, stop, hinder, fetter, check, hold back, arrest, or put a stop to. To loose means to untie, unbind, unlock, liberate, release, forgive,

Please note: Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it (Lamentations 3:37)?

The Lord is a man of war (Exo. 15:3). He will fight our battles while we hold our peace (Exo. 14:14). We depend upon His Power and direction. We depend upon His Word and His Spirit. I cannot overemphasize the need for humility. God gives Grace to the humble. Jesus Christ is the source of all our victories, and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won is the means how we receive them.

JSM and Brother John Eckhardt

 
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The Bible says, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6). Never have so many people used prescription drugs. We have drugs to bring us out of depression, to help us sleep, to aid our sex lives, and to manage weight, stress, and anxiety. Antidepressant drugs are prescribed almost automatically today. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:11–12 NKJV)

The people of God are being oppressed! Force to do things against their will!
 
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The Bible says, “My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6). [FONT=&]Never have so many people used prescription drugs. We have drugs to bring us out of depression, to help us sleep, to aid our sex lives, and to manage weight, stress, and anxiety. Antidepressant drugs are prescribed almost automatically today. [/FONT]For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:11–12 NKJV)

The people of God are being oppressed! Force to do things against their will!
Actually no one is forced to take these medications it's not they have a gun to their head or anything they choose to take them. Also just for the record the only reason I am alive is because of the chemo therapy the doctors gave me in fact a lot of medication I take even to day I would die without. Who is to say God isn't the one who how people how to make that medication? I mean do you have any kind body illness or defect that requires medication just to keep you alive? if not then i suppose it's easy for you to discredit medication as if we are abiding by the devils power taking them
 
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Actually no one is forced to take these medications it's not they have a gun to their head or anything they choose to take them. Also just for the record the only reason I am alive is because of the chemo therapy the doctors gave me in fact a lot of medication I take even to day I would die without. Who is to say God isn't the one who how people how to make that medication? I mean do you have any kind body illness or defect that requires medication just to keep you alive? if not then i suppose it's easy for you to discredit medication as if we are abiding by the devils power taking them
Many believers suffer unnecessarily because they fail to exercise their authority. God's Word is like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces (Jer. 23:29). Believers must know and operate in authority.

Unbelief hinders spiritual authority. Never change the theology of the bible to accommodate something that did not happen based on the way you want it to do and the way you want it to be. Because Gods word is true and every man is a liar. Authority can never be released in silence. The bible says, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” The whole idea and reason why the Devil want the Christian believers to keep their mouth shut is because if you don’t speak, spirits don’t leave.