8 Huge Myths About Hell

Nehemiah6 · Mar 22, 2018

It is never a good idea to blatantly contradict the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you have been indoctrinated in false beliefs about Hell, you should start be studying everything that Jesus said about Hell.

Ahwatukee · Mar 22, 2018

Deade, all you are doing regarding the comma, is repeating a well known false teaching. You would be saying that, every major translation has got the comma in the wrong place. All this is, is another apologetic to get rid of the proof. Do you see what you are doing? Every time a proof is presented to you, you get rid of it.

The RCC did not start that, as "everlasting punishment" can be found right in scripture. And it has nothing to do with Dante's inferno. As I stated in an earlier post, you err in regards to the definition of what death means, which is complete loss of well being, ruination.

We also the souls under the alter in heaven at the opening of the 5th seal, which demonstrates conscious awareness of the spirit after death.

We have Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus when He was transfigured speaking with Him regarding His departure.

Ahwatukee · Mar 22, 2018

The scripture above is referring to no man having yet ascended in his resurrected body as Christ has, who also came down from heaven. Below is just one proof that there are those in heaven in Christ's presence, conscious and aware in their spirit's:

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been."

Do you do any actual studying of your own? All of these apologetics that you are presenting are well known arguments from false teachers. The following shows the bride/church in heaven (the heaven above the earth) after being resurrected and caught up at the wedding of the Lamb.

""Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people.)

After that, the bride/church is shown to be following Christ out of heaven wearing that same fine linen and riding on white horses and returning to the earth with the Lord to end the age:

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

The above takes place after Christ has returned to the earth where the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints, will rule with the Lord during the millennial kingdom. But prior to that, the church will have already been in heaven and will have followed the Lord out of heaven.

The great white throne judgment takes place after the millennial kingdom and will be a judgment for the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. The righteous are not judged at this judgment.

Satan's deceptions are strong if he can get people to believe that punishment is not eternal, when God says it is. The same that happened in the garden is happening here. God said when you eat of the fruit you will surely die and Satan said, "no you won't die." God's word says that Jesus went to prepare places for us in the Father's house and that He is coming back to get us and take us there, and Satan is saying "no, he's not coming back to take us to heaven. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of Eve's in these last day's who are still believing what Satan has to say in opposition to God's word.

Deade · Mar 22, 2018

I know what death means: you cease to be - you are no longer anything.

Eze. 28:18: "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

Eze. 28:19: "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

Ashes upon the earth, never shalt thou be any more: sounds like annihilation to me. The souls under the alter are from another time, yet future, looking back in figurative Revelation anyway. The tormenting forever is a memorial of the event preserved. You hold too much of your RCC traditions. Either it fits or it does not.

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire

The lake of fire has not even been made yet

PennEd · Mar 22, 2018

Deade said:

Yikes! You seem to be treading on some thin ice here!

You are saying we should toss out some verses or passages in Matthew because they aren't elsewhere in Scripture!?

Not that I see it as a huge deal, but I do somewhat agree with you that the possibility exists that those that currently die and are saved may still go to the good side of Hades, namely Abraham's bosom, and not Heaven yet. Jesus told the thief he would be with Him in Paradise. This does not automatically mean Heaven. Jesus could have simply used the word Heaven if that is what He meant. Jesus could have escorted him to Abraham's bosom and split to His Father's side, UNTIL the 1st resurrection, OR He could have taken the whole kit and caboodle with Him.

I'm cool with either.

joefizz · Mar 22, 2018

prove-all said:

Either that or it's somewhere that isn't reachable by us.

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

the rich man - THE GRAVE--a place of BURIAL in the ground!
Jesus said of him: " . . . the rich man also died, and was buried." (Luke 16:22.)

In the next verse, Jesus said, "And in hell he lifted up his eyes." (v. 23.)
And in this hell he "lifted up his eyes." His eyes had been closed, in death,
and now there came a time when they opened--he "lifted up his eyes!"

Jesus, too, died and was buried. And in "hell" He, too, lifted up His eyes--
WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED!

Daniel speaks of the resurrection of the just, and of the unjust: "And many of them
that sleep (their eyes closed) in the dust of the earth (their graves-- buried--in "hades"),
shall awake (lift up their eyes) some to everlasting life, and some to shame and
everlasting contempt." (Dan. 12:2.)
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Jesus said: " . . . the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves (the original Greek
word Jesus used is "hades") shall hear His voice, and shall come forth: they that have done
good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil (including the rich man),
unto the RESURRECTION of judgment." (John 5:28-29.)

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In Rev. 20:4 we read of the resurrection of those in Christ at His coming. But Rev. 20:5
says: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
So the resurrection of the rich man and all the unjust or unsaved will take place after the
millennium! It is pictured and described in Rev. 20:11-12.
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So, while Jesus in speaking about the rich man and Lazarus did not say when the rich man
will open his eyes and be resurrected out of his grave, other Scriptures do reveal that it will
be after the millennium!

He is resurrected MORTAL, just as he was before he died--not immortal like Lazarus!

Now, opening his eyes in his grave, this rich man SEES Abraham, and Lazarus in his "bosom"
-- his embrace! Yes, Jesus told the Pharisees that they would SEE Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
in the Kingdom and they themselves thrust out! This rich man sees them! He also sees this
awful flame of fire -- this LAKE OF FIRE which is about to destroy him forever! He is terrified!

Scripture everywhere describes the final fate of the wicked as being burned up by fire.
It is this "lake of fire," which is "the second death," from which there shall be no resurrection!
The PUNISHMENT is death by fire! They remain forever DEAD!

He said to these same Pharisees: "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity. There shall be
weeping and gnashing of teeth, They are to be THRUST OUT--into the LAKE OF FIRE
which shall consume them, leaving them neither root nor branch, as the Scriptures say!

This rich man cried out for help because of his mental and physical anguish--
KNOWING what was now to befall him!
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The gulf mentioned by Abraham which prevents the wicked from escaping death by hell-fire,
and which also keeps the righteous from being burned, is immortality. Those who are immortal
shall never die because they are born of God. (Rev. 20:6). But human beings who have not been
begotten and born by the Spirit of God are still flesh, subject to corruption and death.

They can be burned by fire.

Only the saved possess immortality as the gift of God (Rom. 2:7), but the wicked reap anguish
and wrath that shall devour the adversary--fiery indignation (Heb. 10:27). What happens when
a human body is being burned by a flame?

There is a period of torture during which the fire consumes the body before the person dies.
Jesus didn't say he was immortal, for if he were he would be spirit and flames do not burn spirit.

Fire is a physical process. It is combustion of matter.

Matthew 13:30 speaks of the wicked being gathered into bundles to be burned. What happens to
tares (weeds) when in fire? They burn up! Again in Matthew 3:12, John warned the Pharisees that
they would be burned up as chaff if they didn't repent. They are to be burned with unquenchable
fire, too. A fire so hot that no amount of water put on it could put it out, because the flames would
turn the water to steam.

When God punishes the wicked the fire will be unquenchable! But that doesn't say it won't burn
itself out when it has nothing more to burn. An unquenchable fire can't be put out, but it can burn
itself out when it has consumed everything.

Malachi 4:1,3 speaks of this fire that will burn the rich man: "For, behold, the day cometh, that
shall burn as an oven; and all t he proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the
day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root
nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be [ashes] under the soles of your
feet in the day that I shall do this."

That is the end of the wicked! They shall perish and not be any more.
"Into smoke shall they consume away." (Psalm 37:20).

The rich man then, being mortal flesh, is going to burn up after being tormented
in the flame. He is going to die the second death . (Rev. 20:14).
The wages of sin is death, not endless torment. (Rom. 6:23).

This death is for ALL ETERNITY-- ETERNAL PUNISHMENT--but is not eternal punishing!

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Not remembered? Even if they are still burning?
The words of Christ are always a good place to start...

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill
the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Lazzarus and the Rich man
First of all, IT IS A PARABLE. To whom was Christ speaking?

Luk 16:14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth
your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

So Christ was speaking to the Pharisees. OK, how did He speak to them...
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables;
and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:
and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of
the tares of the field.

Christ only spoke plainly to the disciples.
Lazarus and the Rich Man is a PARABLE.

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Do people burn forever in a Hell-fire? DO SAVED mothers up in heaven see
the writhing and hear the shrieks of their own lost children down in hell?

prove-all · Mar 22, 2018

The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word "helle" or "helan"
and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"

There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every
occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.

Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem,
where refuse was burned continually.

Hades, is a greek word for hidden place

Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave

Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean prisons
where the "gods" were imprisoned.

use a bible concordence to find in verses what word should be used, one only.
The Greek word translated “hell,” which Mark was inspired to write down, is gehenna.

So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture
of a subterranean place where fires burned and was unseen by those living
upon the surface of the earth.

There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire.

Ahwatukee · Mar 22, 2018

prove-all said:

Well said! And I would add that, Sheol is the Hebrew version of the Greek Hades, as they are referring to the same place. As proof of this please consider the following:

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay" - Psalms 16:10

"Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices, my body also will live in hope, because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay."

So, in the Hebrew, the Holy Spirit used the word "Sheol" and the Spirit through Peter quoted the same scripture using "Hades." Strong's defines both Sheol and Hades as being the same place.

Strong's Concordance

sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)

Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Short Definition: SheolNAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of uncertain derivation
Definition
underworld (place to which people descend at death)
NASB Translation

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Strong's Concordance

hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits

Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Short Definition: Hades
Definition: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades. in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth

Consequently, the correct words to refer to grave, tomb, sepulcher, in the Hebrew and Greek would be qeber and Mnemeion, respectively. Neither Sheol nor Hades should ever be translated as grave, tomb or sepulcher, in order to differentiate between the place of departed spirits vs. the place where the body goes for burial.

Tartartus/Tartaroo, was also used by the Holy Spirit to describe the place for those angels who sinned, most likely referring to those fallen angels who took wives from the progeny of men and who because of this, the women begat giants, mentioned in 2 Pet.2:4 and by description in Jude 6.

Therefore, wherever the words Sheol or Hades appears, it is referring to the place of departed spirits of the unrighteous dead, which is located in the nether realms(down under the earth).

Whenever the word "Hell" is translated from Geenna, it is always referring to the lake of fire, also called the second death.

The word "Hell," does not even appear in the Hebrew or Greek, but has its origins in Germanic or Norse. IMO, when translating Sheol, Hades or Geenna, they should just use the actual word to distinguish of whether the location under the earth of departed spirits is being referred to, or the final post resurrection in the lake of fire for the unsaved dead

Ahwatukee · Mar 22, 2018

From what you said above, you obviously don't. Death is not annihilation or extinction Deade. This can be deduced from cross-referencing and comparing scripture. As I demonstrated, the event of the rich man and Lazarus shows that two men died and were buried, but their spirits were conscious and aware, one in comfort and one in torment. As I said, people who interpret the rich man and Lazarus as a parable, do so because it destroys their belief of a person ceasing to exist at the time of death. All that you have done is repeat existing false apologetics. While saying, "show us the proof." Then when it is provided you just circumvent or distort it. For example, we tell you about the rich man and Lazarus, and you say "it's a parable!" Then we tell you about Christ saying to the man next to him "truly I say, today you will be with me in paradise" and you say "the comma's in the wrong place, etc.. Excuse after excuse!

You might want to stop listening to what these false teachers are claiming and stop reading their books and actually do some study in the word of God, because God's word demonstrates that at the time of death, the spirits of the righteous depart and go to be in the presence of the Lord, while at the time of death for the unrighteous, their spirits depart and go down into Hades where they are in torment.

This is strictly about the truth and accuracy of God's word, which you are distorting by your teaching.

Use your head! Trampling under foot their ashes would be speaking of the physical body and not the spirit. The spirit departs from the body and goes somewhere else.

"He will inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

The word translated above for "destruction" is "olethros" which does not infer annihilation or extinction, but complete loss of well being, which is also where the words "apollumi" and "apolleia" are derived from.

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Strong's Concordance

olethros: destruction, death

Original Word: ὄλεθρος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: olethros
Phonetic Spelling: (ol'-eth-ros)
Short Definition: ruin, doom, destruction
Definition: ruin, doom, destruction, death.
HELPS Word-studies
3639 ólethros (from ollymi/"destroy") – properly, ruination with its full, destructive results (LS). 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing."

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Are you teachable or unteachable?

Do you want to stay in the dark, or come into the light regarding the truth of God's word?

Deade · Mar 22, 2018

I am very teachable Ahwatukee, you seem to have left out all the Strong's definitions. Do you think I don't have access. The Gnostics started perverting the word of God at the very outset. Satan is very much in the religion business. Of course, Strong's is going to have references to your version of hell. It has been around a very long time. Those are not the main definitions.

Sheol = H7585
שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she'ôl she'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.

Hades = G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

I don't care what you word studies put forth, I care about full disclosure.

Nehemiah6 · Mar 22, 2018

Ahwatukee said:

It should be evident by now that those who have been taken captive by false teachings (on any doctrine) will never budge from their positions. Indeed, they will argue even more vehemently rather than yield to the truth.

Budman · Mar 22, 2018

In relation to the nature of hell, annihilationists misunderstand the meaning of the lake of fire. Obviously, if a human being were cast into a lake of burning lava, he/she would be almost instantly consumed. However, the lake of fire is both a physical and spiritual realm. It is not simply a human body being cast into the lake of fire; it is a human’s body, soul, and spirit. A spiritual nature cannot be consumed by physical fire. It seems that the unsaved are resurrected with a body prepared for eternity just as the saved are (Revelation 20:13; Acts 24:15). These bodies are prepared for an eternal fate.

Eternity is another aspect which annihilationists fail to fully comprehend. Annihilationists are correct that the Greek word aionion, which is usually translated “eternal,” does not by definition mean “eternal.” It specifically refers to an “age” or “eon,” a specific period of time. However, it is clear that in New Testament, aionion is sometimes used to refer to an eternal length of time. Revelation 20:10 speaks of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and being tormented “day and night forever and ever.” It is clear that these three are not “extinguished” by being cast into the lake of fire. Why would the fate of the unsaved be any different (Revelation 20:14-15)? The most convincing evidence for the eternality of hell is Matthew 25:46, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” In this verse, the same Greek word is used to refer to the destiny of the wicked and the righteous. If the wicked are only tormented for an “age,” then the righteous will only experience life in heaven for an “age.” If believers will be in heaven forever, unbelievers will be in hell forever.

Another frequent objection to the eternality of hell by annihilationists is that it would be unjust for God to punish unbelievers in hell for eternity for a finite amount of sin. How could it be fair for God to take a person who lived a sinful, 70-year life, and punish him/her for all of eternity? The answer is that our sin bears an eternal consequence because it is committed against an eternal God. When King David committed the sins of adultery and murder he stated, “Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight…” (Psalm 51:4). David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah; how could David claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being. As a result, all sin against Him is worthy of an eternal punishment. It is not a matter of the length of time we sin, but the character of the God against whom we sin.

A more personal aspect of annihilationism is the idea that we could not possibly be happy in heaven if we knew that some of our loved ones were suffering an eternity of torment in hell. However, when we arrive in heaven, we will not have anything to complain about or be saddened by. Revelation 21:4 tells us, “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” If some of our loved ones are not in heaven, we will be in 100 percent complete agreement that they do not belong there and that they are condemned by their own refusal to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior (John 3:16; 14:6). It is hard to understand this, but we will not be saddened by the lack of their presence. Our focus should not be on how we can enjoy heaven without all of our loved ones there, but on how we can point our loved ones to faith in Christ so that they will be there.

Hell is perhaps a primary reason why God sent Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sins. Being “extinguished” after death is no fate to dread, but an eternity in hell most definitely is. Jesus’ death was an infinite death, paying our infinite sin debt so that we would not have to pay it in hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we place our faith in Him, we are saved, forgiven, cleansed, and promised an eternal home in heaven. But if we reject God’s gift of eternal life, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision.

https://www.gotquestions.org/annihilationism.html

Katy-follower · Mar 23, 2018

Budman said:

Before I became a christian, I believed this. And I had this image of satan being around 6ft tall with horns and a pitchfork, lol, but I think this is what the world assumes he looks like. The scriptures say he was created as a beautiful cherub, and 1 Kings 6 gives a height of 10 cubits for cherubs, which is about 15 feet tall and each wing at about 8 feet each in length!

Ahwatukee · Mar 23, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Unfortunately, I agree. It is obvious that these lies are coming straight from Satan. This reminds me of the garden, when God said, "in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die." Then Satan came along and said to Eve, "you will not certainly die" and she believed him over God. It is the same with most Biblical issues today and Satan has found so-called Christians as his foot soldiers to spread these lies. The comma's in the wrong place? Really? They make Jesus sound like Shakespeare in the park. "Truly I say unto you today, you will be with me in paradise." Did Jesus really need to tell the guy what day he was giving him that information? Someone needs notify all of the major translators, because not one of them has the comma after the word "today." Anything to distort the truth of scriptures.

Blain · Mar 23, 2018

prove-all said:

The scriptures speak of death and hades being thrown in the lake yes but it doesn't say it hasn't been made yet and I would know I have seen it personally myself

Katy-follower · Mar 23, 2018

Blain said:

I've always wondered if there will be a worse punishment for the false teachers, but I haven't found any scriptures confirming this.

Hades is the temporary place where the unsaved are being held right not, while they wait to meet the Judge on judgment day, and then Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire. It's interesting that in Rev 20:12 it says they (unsaved) will be judged according to what they've done, which seems to hint at there being levels of punishment, although difficult to comprehend as it will be a place of eternal torment for all.

Blain · Mar 23, 2018

Katy-follower said:

Well the way I see it if everyone is rewarded according to what they have done here on earth for his kingdom then I would assume vise versa would be for those in hell.

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