Genesis ch 1&2 is misunderstood

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eternally-gratefull

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Maybe Burger King has it. Nah, probably not. That's the home of the Whopper.
They closed the BK next to me,, so I do not know if they do.. The whopper must have not done so well..lol
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Love this one...too cute!!


 
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eternally-gratefull

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ha

some people can't hold their coffee...



Lol, I love the last one.

I can go crazy like I am on speed.. I talk to fast. Type too fast, anbd have to be told to calm down I drive people crazy.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Lol, I love the last one.

I can go crazy like I am on speed.. I talk to fast. Type too fast, anbd have to be told to calm down I drive people crazy.

that might explain some of your posts (jking)

I drink Colombian and if it ain't Columbian I know right away...Java has an edge to I do not like

smooth...Colombian smooth is my coffee of choice...

you sound like you throw your cup against the fireplace when you are done...LOL!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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that might explain some of your posts (jking)

I drink Colombian and if it ain't Columbian I know right away...Java has an edge to I do not like

smooth...Colombian smooth is my coffee of choice...

you sound like you throw your cup against the fireplace when you are done...LOL!

Sadly, and I must admit, it may explain some of the way i post.. I am not too proud to say so.

My wife got me hooked on some prety strong stuff. I can not even drink restaraunt coffee anymore. To weak!. We have been using trader joes lately.. Some others who have tried it now are hooked also.. Its bad..lol.
 

Nehemiah6

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None of the above contradicts the Biblical truth that Adam was formed
on the eighth day - a new beginning - the first Adam - the son of God

There is absolutely no biblical evidence that God created anything after He rested on the 7th day. So this 8th day nonsense is pure speculation. Why would there be "a new beginning" when creation itself was totally new? Or do you subscribe to the Gap Theory, which has no basis either?
You are not a student of Bible study but rather you rehash Roman Catholic theology
How can the Ten Commandments be "Roman Catholic theology"? You can either accept them as totally authoritative, or you can go into speculation and fantasy (just like the evolutionists).
 

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There is absolutely no biblical evidence that God created anything after He rested on the 7th day. So this 8th day nonsense is pure speculation. Why would there be "a new beginning" when creation itself was totally new? Or do you subscribe to the Gap Theory, which has no basis either?

How can the Ten Commandments be "Roman Catholic theology"? You can either accept them as totally authoritative, or you can go into speculation and fantasy (just like the evolutionists).
It says in the bible that a new believer in Christ is a new creation. God also knits the child in the womb. He has never stopped creating.
 

Nehemiah6

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It says in the bible that a new believer in Christ is a new creation. God also knits the child in the womb. He has never stopped creating.
"He never stopped creating" in the context of Genesis 1 & 2 is simply nonsense. Yes, believers are new creations in Christ but please try to keep things in context. The Bible is very clear that as far as the creation of the universe and the inhabitants of the earth is concerned, everything was confined to those six literal 24-hour days of creation.

To claim that God created Adam on the 8th day is preposterous and contradicts Scripture. Please note:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them... And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Gen 1:27,31).

While some may find it hard to believe, both Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day as revealed in Scripture. That there was no other creative act after that is clear from the Ten Commandments.

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11)
 

Nehemiah6

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...man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
Had you simply sat down and tried to harmonize those two chapters, you would not have arrived at this bizarre conclusion. So here is how you need to harmonize the creation account (from the King James Bible):

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which wereunder the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
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31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
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2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
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3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

 

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Had you simply sat down and tried to harmonize those two chapters, you would not have arrived at this bizarre conclusion. So here is how you need to harmonize the creation account (from the King James Bible):

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which wereunder the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
2:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

yes it is very simple. Verse5 tells us 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So day is defined for us as a period of light. not a twenty four hour day (a modern scientific concept). And we are told that Day had an evening and a morning (but not a night).
 
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MarcR

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If they are not separate accounts then how do you explain the contradictions in the account?


  • In Genesis 1, verse 20, Elohim brought "the fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament were brought forth from the waters"
  • In Genesis 2, verse 19, "out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air"


  • In Genesis 1, verse 24, Elohim said "the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind was brought forth from the earth." And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
  • In Genesis 2, verse 19, the LORD God made the man before every beast of the field and every fowl of the air" And brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.





Chapter 1 DAY 5 God created avian and aquatic life.

Chapter1 Day 6 God created animal life and man

Chapter 2 After God created Adam on the 6th day, he planted a garden of mature plants because the seed mentioned on day 4 would take some time to mature. After that he brought the animals of the field [flatland animals] before Adam to see what Adam would call them. Then, still on the 6th day, God built Eve from Adam's rib.
 

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I think its possible that Adam & Eve were first Homo Sapiens Sapiens and people of "the land of Nod", the wife of Cain etc could be Neanderthals or other proto-humans able to have sexual relations with our kind.

But our knowledge of archeology, DNA etc. is still developing, so we will see how it will be all put together later.
What rubbish and nonsense you post.

It is so simple and straightforward -
in Genesis 1 God created human beings - male and female
He created them
in Genesis 2 God formed Adam from the earth and placed
him in a garden separate from all others

Neanderthals do not come into the picture, nor incest with
non-existent sisters.

Adam represents:
Israel a nation separated from other peoples
by the worship of the true and living God of creation
and of salvation.
and the true Spirit-filled Pentecostal Christian who is
sanctified and separated from the world to worship the
true and living God of creation/salvation.
 
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