Genesis ch 1&2 is misunderstood

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6miker88

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Genesis chapters 1&2 are probably the most misunderstood topics in the Bible. The Hebrew words translated into English are similar but not exact. The only way to know the exact meaning of the Hebrew words is to have a copy of “The Complete Word Study Old Testament”.
The Hebrew word translated as “create” possesses the meaning of “bringing into existence” and usually created out of nothing.
The Hebrew word translated “made or make”dealt with the refinement of a previously created object. Not too different from evolution.
The Hebrew word translated as “formed” found in chapter 2 means to form or fashion much like a potter would do, and is not interchangeable with the other words create, made or make.
The words “create” and “made or make” alternate in chapter 1(sometimes in the same verse) showing that they are words with different meanings and are simply not interchangeable as most people believe.
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
In chapter 1, the word “earth” appears many times and is translated from the Hebrew word that means the whole earth – as opposed to heaven.
In chapter 2 that same word isn’t used, instead the word “ground” is used and it means something much different. The Hebrew word translated as ground means ground, a parcel of ground, or region or territory – quite different!
 

NotmebutHim

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Ohhhhhh boy, this is gonna be fun.................

*grabs an oil drum-sized container of popcorn*
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In the ebegining God created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth. (A general statmement)

and the earth was void and without form (its origional state at the start of creation)

The rest of chapter one is a step by step guide on how God created (out of something) the heavens and the earth)


 

Bladerunner

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Genesis chapters 1&2 are probably the most misunderstood topics in the Bible. The Hebrew words translated into English are similar but not exact. The only way to know the exact meaning of the Hebrew words is to have a copy of “The Complete Word Study Old Testament”.
The Hebrew word translated as “create” possesses the meaning of “bringing into existence” and usually created out of nothing.
The Hebrew word translated “made or make”dealt with the refinement of a previously created object. Not too different from evolution.
The Hebrew word translated as “formed” found in chapter 2 means to form or fashion much like a potter would do, and is not interchangeable with the other words create, made or make.
The words “create” and “made or make” alternate in chapter 1(sometimes in the same verse) showing that they are words with different meanings and are simply not interchangeable as most people believe.
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
In chapter 1, the word “earth” appears many times and is translated from the Hebrew word that means the whole earth – as opposed to heaven.
In chapter 2 that same word isn’t used, instead the word “ground” is used and it means something much different. The Hebrew word translated as ground means ground, a parcel of ground, or region or territory – quite different!

Chapter one is Creation week....Chapter 2 is a summary (detailed) analysis of chapter 1. If your trying to discredit the Bible you a dollar late and a dollar short.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Ohhhhhh boy, this is gonna be fun.................

*grabs an oil drum-sized container of popcorn*

says he is unsure of his spiritual status

guess that's just how he views things...no beating around the bush though

pass the corn please while I get a big can of something with fizz in it
 

Nehemiah6

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We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
You were doing quite nicely until you came up with this gem, but you are seriously mistaken. While the Hebrew word for "man" and "Adam" are the same, you will note that there comes a point when the generic "man" is replaced by the specific "Adam". Here is the point of transition:

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

In Genesis 2:18 ha adam is "the man" but in 2:19 ha adam is "Adam". It would appear that as soon as Adam began to function as an intelligent being, he was called Adam. But the modern versions continue to speak of "the man" in 2:19.

In brief, context determines how ha adam is translated, but it is one and the same person. Also chapter 2 is simply a focus on humanity, whereas chapter 1 deals with all of creation. These are not two different accounts.
 
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Zmouth

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Genesis chapters 1&2 are probably the most misunderstood topics in the Bible. The Hebrew words translated into English are similar but not exact. The only way to know the exact meaning of the Hebrew words is to have a copy of “The Complete Word Study Old Testament”.
LOL, so what did they do before the "The Complete Word Study Old Testament"?
The Hebrew word translated as “create” possesses the meaning of “bringing into existence” and usually created out of nothing.!!
The Hebrew word translated “made or make”dealt with the refinement of a previously created object. Not too different from evolution.
The Hebrew word translated as “formed” found in chapter 2 means to form or fashion much like a potter would do, and is not interchangeable with the other words create, made or make.
The words “create” and “made or make” alternate in chapter 1(sometimes in the same verse) showing that they are words with different meanings and are simply not interchangeable as most people believe.![/QUOTE]
While I agree with most of what you are sharing, however, to create infers is to bring something into existence which never existed in either nature or form yet nothing is created out nothing.

"...because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Gen 2:3
The term God in Genesis 1:1 is Elohim, since the eternal can not create or make anything which is eternal since anything eternal has no beginning of existence nor end of existence, neither can it change forms.
Thus, we understand that the the body of Light called heaven was created even though it existed prior to the beginning of Genesis 1:1, yet it never existed in nature seperate from the eternal, albeit the same form of Light. [See John 10:30]

Thus body of invisible Light which came forth from the eternal God, being seperate from God then could not longer be in truth eternal, since it had a beginning seperate from the eternal. [See John 8:42]

Hence, the LORD, the only begotten, who is the image of the invisible light is the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.[See Col 1:15][See 1 Tim 1:17][See 1 Tim 6:16]
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.!
In simple words, from the body of light made in the image of the invisible Light, the Spirit of God was was brought forth from the Son thus it is written, God saw the Light and said it was Good. [See John 5:19] Thus Elohim (plural), the lights, created the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
In chapter 1, the word “earth” appears many times and is translated from the Hebrew word that means the whole earth – as opposed to heaven.
In chapter 2 that same word isn’t used, instead the word “ground” is used and it means something much different. The Hebrew word translated as ground means ground, a parcel of ground, or region or territory – quite different!
The earth in Genesis 1:1 is the physical body of space of our known and observed universe that is formed by the lights, or Elohim (plural). Hence the term earth is used to describe the solid expanse of this physical universe which is formed by phasma, being physical matter without mass, or space. .

Hence space, the area between planets which is void of matter, is not a vacuum, but a field of phasma (massless light). Thus the earth in Genesis 1:1 describes the expanse of in the midst of the waters (phasma) that divided the (invisible light) and the (visible light) below. (See Genesis 1:6)
 

Zmouth

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In the ebegining God created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth. (A general statmement)
Is why those who walk in the night stumble, since they don't see the light of the world?

:cool: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matt 5:16



 

MarcR

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Genesis chapters 1&2 are probably the most misunderstood topics in the Bible. The Hebrew words translated into English are similar but not exact. The only way to know the exact meaning of the Hebrew words is to have a copy of “The Complete Word Study Old Testament”.
The Hebrew word translated as “create” possesses the meaning of “bringing into existence” and usually created out of nothing.
The Hebrew word translated “made or make”dealt with the refinement of a previously created object. Not too different from evolution.
The Hebrew word translated as “formed” found in chapter 2 means to form or fashion much like a potter would do, and is not interchangeable with the other words create, made or make.
The words “create” and “made or make” alternate in chapter 1(sometimes in the same verse) showing that they are words with different meanings and are simply not interchangeable as most people believe.
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
In chapter 1, the word “earth” appears many times and is translated from the Hebrew word that means the whole earth – as opposed to heaven.
In chapter 2 that same word isn’t used, instead the word “ground” is used and it means something much different. The Hebrew word translated as ground means ground, a parcel of ground, or region or territory – quite different!
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.

Obviously you are NOT proficient in Hebrew and are simply quoting what you were taught by someone else. Until you came up with this, I was beginning to believe that you knew what you were talking about. Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 are NOT separate accounts. Chapter 1 is, in a limited way, concerned with process and order of events.
Chapter 2 focuses on the creation of man [on the 6th day] in detail; and is less concerned with process than relationships.
 

posthuman

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says he is unsure of his spiritual status

guess that's just how he views things...no beating around the bush though

pass the corn please while I get a big can of something with fizz in it
Yes ma'am, I brought root beer

((shares))

This is the thread where we watch Genesis 1-2 be misunderstood, right? Ok good, I'm in right place :)
 

Gabriel2020

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Adam means Man and man means earth or ground,because that is where he came from.
 

Locutus

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Is this the pottery thread?


 

Laish

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Genesis chapters 1&2 are probably the most misunderstood topics in the Bible. The Hebrew words translated into English are similar but not exact. The only way to know the exact meaning of the Hebrew words is to have a copy of “The Complete Word Study Old Testament”.
The Hebrew word translated as “create” possesses the meaning of “bringing into existence” and usually created out of nothing.
The Hebrew word translated “made or make”dealt with the refinement of a previously created object. Not too different from evolution.
The Hebrew word translated as “formed” found in chapter 2 means to form or fashion much like a potter would do, and is not interchangeable with the other words create, made or make.
The words “create” and “made or make” alternate in chapter 1(sometimes in the same verse) showing that they are words with different meanings and are simply not interchangeable as most people believe.
We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.
In chapter 1, the word “earth” appears many times and is translated from the Hebrew word that means the whole earth – as opposed to heaven.
In chapter 2 that same word isn’t used, instead the word “ground” is used and it means something much different. The Hebrew word translated as ground means ground, a parcel of ground, or region or territory – quite different!
Ok I am going to be a bit cynical. What the purpose of your post here ?
From a quick net search of the first few lines of your post you have joined two Christian message boards and posted the same thing . What are you trying to do ?
Blessings
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It is my studied opinion that the book of Genesis as we speak of it’s finished work today was originally able to be distinguished in it’s different parts by keeping track of the points where theses books are mentioned by use of the word of Generations.

The beginning of the synopsis of all creation thus:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The next section of the details of Generation is seen in

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created

The text speaks plainly about the placement of Gen_2:5-6 as with in the 6th creation day as the prior verse tells us “in the DAY that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, AND every plant of the field before it was in the earth, AND every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, AND there was not a ADaM to till the ground.”

Seemingly it is not until ADaM awoke from his deep sleep that the 7th day occurs, as all creative function plainly attributed to the 6th day creation of all souls or creatures occurs, this including ADaM among them.

With in the out line or synopsis of Genesis 1 let us reflect upon the details of YHWH God’s reasoning as expressed to why He purposed to Generate or Create the race of ADaM upon the Earth:

1st To be a Father: when God speaks of Adam he says Let us make ADaM in our own Image, after our Likeness a phrase which is Echoed through out the scripture when speaking of Men bearing sons as plainly seen in the birth of Adam the patriarchs son Seth whom he begat in his own likeness, after his image… Gen_5:3

2nd The Father sought to give the son an inheritance which he created with his own hands and had worked for as seen in the statement “Let them have dominion..” over his creation

3rd the Father sought to bless His children for maintaining the order of fruitfulness and multiplicity as the means by which ADaM would subdue the earth.

These are the governing Organic principles of why ADaM is on the earth, and they are dictated by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in this order and according to this precise wording. All relevance to any son of man or correctly son of ADaM to his purpose in life is contained in this small section of Holy writ, the very Genesis of God’s Law, that is why I call it Organic. It is the most elementary of reasons for every Law and Word God has ever given on any particular subject mentioned by God Almighty and every intention of the heart or mind of man.

When dealing with the race of men called ADaM it is of necessity to remember the book that has taught and continues to reveal the History of this race and the specific man named ADaM, as all other places in the bible Genesis 1:26 is a selection from among the living creatures or also translated in English living souls: In Hebrew both term are NePeSh HeYEh, which simply refers to a Breathing Life, the term is applied to all creatures that breath and live, including men, which when dealing with men our translators chose to use the term living soul. It is thus sustained that in reflection now upon the aspects of ADaM’s Genesis as further specified in the detail of Gen_2:7-15 the specific selection YHWH God has made in His creation of Living Souls, and as to who he will name His children, after His Likeness and after His Image, a likeness and Image which can not mearly be reduced to sight and senses, but must also encompass Spiritual as it is evident that “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh_4:24″

Yet in Gen_2:16 the LXX clearly helps us understand the Hebrew and English as it uses the name Adam distinctly for the first time. This fact is used as indication of where the individual who has the name Adam is chosen out of the created race of ADaM (Eh’ADaM). It is important to keep focused, as Adam was created as head of the people, and it is he who was the recorded progenitor of the Paternal line of our Lord and Savior. This fact of selection is important as well as it explains who Adam’s children married as to not violate the Eternal law’s which prohibit incest (Lev_18:1-17, Lev_19:9-24), which is due to this lack of information the normal explanation of Adam’s procreation.

Below is a list where the LXX shows the named man Adam distinct from his race:

Gen_2:16, 2:19, 2:20, 2:21, 2:22, 2:23, 2:25, 3:8, 3:9, 3:12, 3:17; 3:20, 3:21, 3:22, 3:24, 4:1, 4:25, 5:1, 5:2, 5:3, 5:4, 5:5; Deu_32:8; 1Chr1:1; Tob_8:6; Sir_40:1, 49:16.

Hope this helps,
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7seasrekeyed

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Yes ma'am, I brought root beer

((shares))

This is the thread where we watch Genesis 1-2 be misunderstood, right? Ok good, I'm in right place :)
yes

it's reel to real

thanks for the root beer...was running out of 7up
 

MarcR

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Adam means Man and man means earth or ground,because that is where he came from.
Adam means RED.
Dawm means Blood
Adamah means earth, particularly red earth such is is frequently found in Eastern Georgia along Highway 1.

Ish means man
Ishah means woman
Ishi literally means my man but it is used to mean husband

Short Hebrew lesson at no charge.
 

Zmouth

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We have all been taught that “Adam” and man of chapter 1 are the same person, but when you know the meaning of the Hebrew words and don’t ignore the chronology of the two chapters (man of chapter 1 was the last of creation and Adam of chapter 2 was the first of creation) and other events, the only logical conclusion is that they weren’t the same person.

Obviously you are NOT proficient in Hebrew and are simply quoting what you were taught by someone else. Until you came up with this, I was beginning to believe that you knew what you were talking about. Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 are NOT separate accounts. Chapter 1 is, in a limited way, concerned with process and order of events.
Chapter 2 focuses on the creation of man [on the 6th day] in detail; and is less concerned with process than relationships.
If they are not separate accounts then how do you explain the contradictions in the account?


  • In Genesis 1, verse 20, Elohim brought "the fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament were brought forth from the waters"
  • In Genesis 2, verse 19, "out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air"


  • In Genesis 1, verse 24, Elohim said "the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind was brought forth from the earth." And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
  • In Genesis 2, verse 19, the LORD God made the man before every beast of the field and every fowl of the air" And brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.





 
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