Is 10 commandment a civil or criminal law

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Jackson123

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[h=1]civil law[/h][h=3][/h]


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noun1.the body of laws of a state or nation regulatingordinary private matters, as distinct from lawsregulating criminal, political, or military matters.

2.Roman History. the body of law proper to the cityor state of Rome, as distinct from that common toall nations.Compare jus civile.


3.systems of law influenced significantly and invarious ways by Roman law, especially ascontained in the Corpus Juris Civilis, as distinctfrom the common law and canon or ecclesiasticallaw.







[h=1]criminal law[/h][h=3][/h]


noun1.the laws of a state or country dealing withcriminal offenses and their punishments.


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1580-1590

First recorded in 1580-90





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[h=2]Definition of crime[/h]1: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government; especially : a gross violation of law

2: a grave offense especially against morality
3: criminal activity
  • efforts to fight crime


4: something reprehensible, foolish, or disgraceful
  • It's a crime to waste good food.



— [h=2]crimeless[/h] play \ˈkrīm-ləs\ adjective

 

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The Ten Commandments are comprehensive. They cover civil, criminal, moral, religious, and spiritual laws.
 

Jackson123

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The Ten Commandments are comprehensive. They cover civil, criminal, moral, religious, and spiritual laws.
Thank dear, would you like to explain what is the deferent between civil, criminal, moral religious and spiritual law?

how about 4 th commandment, is this criminal law?
 

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Thank dear, would you like to explain what is the deferent between civil, criminal, moral religious and spiritual law?

how about 4 th commandment, is this criminal law?
Ceremonial law?
 

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thanks for remind us other law, do you believe 4th commandment is ceremonial law?

would you like to explain it dear?
The ten commandments were not thought of by the Israelites as a 'separate law' The way that people in the last century have talked about them, as though you can discard everything else in exodus Leviticus Deuteronomy and just keep those. To the Israelites, there is one Torah.

The 10 are often described as though they are chapter or category names, with the rest of Torah giving details of them. Sabbath observance is not regulating criminal activity and it is not forcing moral behaviour. It's not atoning for sin or restricting diet; it is fundamentally ritual activities or forbidding of activities at a prescribed time - just like the feasts and the wearing of certain clothes or washing of the body to symbolize sanctification, or waiting a certain time before you are ritually clean. These are ceremonial actions - they don't punish crimes or directly provide material benefit to people or regulate good civil behavior between persons.

Like Nehemiah said the 10 Commandments contain civil law, like honor parents, moral law like do not covet, and criminal law like do not steal, and they also contain ceremonial law, like do certain behavior in certain day.
 

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Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.



What sort of law is this "Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me." A command from God and it doesn't need to be defined, it is plainly stated that we have no other gods. Civil, ceremonial or what ever, it is plain.

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, ....
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,

This is a plain as well the law is given because God is a jealous God.

This is the reason why we should keep this law.Lets not look at defining what type of law it is but why it was given and if that reason is still applicable.
 

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The ten commandments were not thought of by the Israelites as a 'separate law' The way that people in the last century have talked about them, as though you can discard everything else in exodus Leviticus Deuteronomy and just keep those. To the Israelites, there is one Torah.

The 10 are often described as though they are chapter or category names, with the rest of Torah giving details of them. Sabbath observance is not regulating criminal activity and it is not forcing moral behaviour. It's not atoning for sin or restricting diet; it is fundamentally ritual activities or forbidding of activities at a prescribed time - just like the feasts and the wearing of certain clothes or washing of the body to symbolize sanctification, or waiting a certain time before you are ritually clean. These are ceremonial actions - they don't punish crimes or directly provide material benefit to people or regulate good civil behavior between persons.

Like Nehemiah said the 10 Commandments contain civil law, like honor parents, moral law like do not covet, and criminal law like do not steal, and they also contain ceremonial law, like do certain behavior in certain day.
The 10 Commandments are different to the rest or they would not have been written on stone, and called the 10 commandments. The reason we are asked to keep the sabbath is plainly stated in the command.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Do what you want on the other days but the 7th day is the Lords. Why? Because God blessed it and hallowed it. To remember that God created the Earth and everything. This is still applicable today isn't it?
 

Jackson123

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The ten commandments were not thought of by the Israelites as a 'separate law' The way that people in the last century have talked about them, as though you can discard everything else in exodus Leviticus Deuteronomy and just keep those. To the Israelites, there is one Torah.

The 10 are often described as though they are chapter or category names, with the rest of Torah giving details of them. Sabbath observance is not regulating criminal activity and it is not forcing moral behaviour. It's not atoning for sin or restricting diet; it is fundamentally ritual activities or forbidding of activities at a prescribed time - just like the feasts and the wearing of certain clothes or washing of the body to symbolize sanctification, or waiting a certain time before you are ritually clean. These are ceremonial actions - they don't punish crimes or directly provide material benefit to people or regulate good civil behavior between persons.

Like Nehemiah said the 10 Commandments contain civil law, like honor parents, moral law like do not covet, and criminal law like do not steal, and they also contain ceremonial law, like do certain behavior in certain day.
thanks dear.

it is not easy to distinguish between civil, criminal and ceremonial law.

and ancient law system may not the same with modern system.

in modern system, crime mean an illegal act that punishable by government criminal law, for example murder is crime and some country murder punish by death penalty. Common people think if the penalty is death, one must do serious crime. If you borrow money and not able to pay, and the lender go to police, it is consider as civil law.

but sabbath violator in OT was death penalty, like a crime.

May be, OT law system not the same with modern system.

I never aware The term moses civil law in the Bible.
 

Jackson123

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The 10 Commandments are different to the rest or they would not have been written on stone, and called the 10 commandments. The reason we are asked to keep the sabbath is plainly stated in the command.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Do what you want on the other days but the 7th day is the Lords. Why? Because God blessed it and hallowed it. To remember that God created the Earth and everything. This is still applicable today isn't it?
is 10 commandment civil or criminal law?
 

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The 10 Commandments are different to the rest or they would not have been written on stone, and called the 10 commandments. The reason we are asked to keep the sabbath is plainly stated in the command.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Do what you want on the other days but the 7th day is the Lords. Why? Because God blessed it and hallowed it. To remember that God created the Earth and everything. This is still applicable today isn't it?
dear, we not under OT law anymore. We are under New Covenant dear.

Yes we remember sabbath bath or rest, but we do it different way

jesus say, come to me yet who are labour and heavy laden, I will give you rest

rest is sabbath

so we observe sabbath by come to Jesus
 

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is 10 commandment civil or criminal law?
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Psa_119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
Psa_119:113 SAMECH. I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.
Psa_119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.
Psa_119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.



I'm not sure if it is ceremonial or civil or what ever word you want to call it, but i do know that it is, - the law of liberty, the royal law, the perfect law, the holy, just, and good law, love is the fulfilling of the law and loving thy neighbour as thyself, the law is the truth and the law is spiritual. David said, - love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day, thy law do I love, great peace have they which love thy law, thy law is within my heart, for thy law is my delight.

Call it what you like but these verses tell me it is a Good law.
 

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dear, we not under OT law anymore. We are under New Covenant dear.

Yes we remember sabbath bath or rest, but we do it different way

jesus say, come to me yet who are labour and heavy laden, I will give you rest

rest is sabbath

so we observe sabbath by come to Jesus
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The 10 commandments are not a burden if the Spirit of God is controlling you. If you love Jesus it is not a burden to keep the Sabbath day holy. The law is you delight when you love Jesus and you find peace.
 

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Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The 10 commandments are not a burden if the Spirit of God is controlling you. If you love Jesus it is not a burden to keep the Sabbath day holy. The law is you delight when you love Jesus and you find peace.
Which ones?
 

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The laws and commandments that were not a shadow or type of Christ. The passover was fulfilled in Christ and most of the cerimonial laws pointed to Jesus but the Sabbath started before we needed a saviour. At creation. The 10 commandments was not nailed to the cross. Killing is still a sin and taking the Lords name in vain is still a sin.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 

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The laws and commandments that were not a shadow or type of Christ. The passover was fulfilled in Christ and most of the cerimonial laws pointed to Jesus but the Sabbath started before we needed a saviour. At creation. The 10 commandments was not nailed to the cross. Killing is still a sin and taking the Lords name in vain is still a sin.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
So....
Another SDA....

What about this:
Matt 22:36-40 NKJV
"36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Strange...
None of these are part of the ten commandments are they?

And what about this:
John 13:34 NKJV
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

Now this commandment was not even part of the law as given to Moses by God on Mt Sinai, is it?

Then we get to the puzzling reality that none of the texts you quote actually state that the commandments spoken of are, in fact, the decalogue....

Then another puzzle arises: Ellen G. White taught that what was referred to as the Law of Moses, was indeed nailed to the cross, but, the Law of God, defined by her as the decalogue was not.
Except for one teensy weensy fact - there is no Law of Moses and Law of God! Oh sure, the terms exist alright, the OT is replete with references to the Law of God and the Law of Moses. The problem arises when closely examines what is been referred to in these myriad of references one discovers that the terms are used interchangeably. So much so that NO pattern can be deduced.
The only conclusion to be drawn is that this distinction is totally false....
Ask any JEW about this issue and the answer is clear - there is the TORAH, nothing more and nothing less - on this issue I would take the word of a Jew any and every day of the week over yours (and Ellen G. White).

In, fact the reason why the Sabbath is not binding on Christians is actually very simple: The New Covenant abrogates, completely, the Sinaitic Covenant - not just parts of it:
Gal 3:16-25 NKJV
"[FONT=&quot]16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[i] who is Christ.
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[FONT=&quot]17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[j] that it should make the promise of no effect.
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18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.[FONT=&quot]19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
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21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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The tutor is a reference to the whole law as given to Moses on Mount Sinai.

I hear the howls of outrage, I can hear the accusations of antinomianism echoing...
However there are plenty of references that very comprehensively lay out the moral framework for practising Christians.
(I wont give references for these for the sake of brevity.)
However, there is absolutely no reference to keeping the Sabbath as a New covenant requirement as outlined from Exodus 20:8, Hebrews 4:9 notwithstanding because it is NOT referring to the 4th commandment.

Furthermore, the Sabbath was to be a sign between God and the Israelites of the Sinaitic covenant. This covenant has been abrogated, and certainly, Sabbath-keeping is NOT the sign of the New Covenant!
In addition, the Sinaitic covenant was EXCLUSIVELY between the Israelites and God.
I am not an Israelite (Jew) and so have never been part of this covenant.
The Jerusalem Council detailed in Acts 15:6-29 explicitly affirms that in order to be a Christian one does not first need to become a Jew!
Paul's epistle to the Galatians ALSO clearly contradicts the claims of the Judaizers in trying to force non-Jewish believers to adhere to the Law. (Circumcision to a Jew is merely the most obvious evidence that one is faithful to the law - obvious because those who were not of the circumcision were not expected to obey the law!)

The whole law as given to Moses on Mount Sinai including the Ten commandments have been abrogated by the New Covenant. The New covenant is NOT lawless in the sense that New covenant believers do not have strong moral direction.
A simple illustration for this: If one moves from one's country of origin to another country, one is no longer subject to the laws of the first country but the second! Now, the laws in the second country may share similarities with the first and may also have significant differences...and so it is with the situation with the Sinaitic covenant and the New covenant.
While there are many similarities there are also significant differences, and one, among many others is the absence of the command to observe the Sabbath - this makes perfect sense since the New covenant would not include the unique sign of the Sinaitic covenant.

The ten commandments along with the rest of the Sinaitic covenant is exactly where it should be - safely nailed to the cross.....
 

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Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Psa_119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
Psa_119:113 SAMECH. I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.
Psa_119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.
Psa_119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.



I'm not sure if it is ceremonial or civil or what ever word you want to call it, but i do know that it is, - the law of liberty, the royal law, the perfect law, the holy, just, and good law, love is the fulfilling of the law and loving thy neighbour as thyself, the law is the truth and the law is spiritual. David said, - love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day, thy law do I love, great peace have they which love thy law, thy law is within my heart, for thy law is my delight.

Call it what you like but these verses tell me it is a Good law.
James defines the royal law - love one another. Does he refer to Christ's command, as He has loved us, or to Leviticus 19?

Either way, not ten commandments.

James also says, guilty of one part of law, guilty of all - and the example he gives, which is whole context of chapter, fussing at the group he writes to for failing at it, is do not show partiality to the rich - also Leviticus 19, not ten commandments.
 

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No question that law is good.

Yes.

We are not under Sinai, but the perfect law of liberty - also no question about that.
 

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Hey James37, what about 19? Because Leviticus 19 blows up all of this 'the 10 Commandments is the gospel' business...


;)
 

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Sounds like a family law. The family of God.