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[notuptome]

EG you cracked me up. Couldn't give rep. Me hacking a computer would be like a dog baking a cake. Impossible. I can barely get it turned on!

I cannot imagine any circumstance where I would want to see someone under those circumstances. If someone saw me putting my pants on they would probably gouge their eyes out in response. I think even the angels look the other way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

My two cents: I think such squabbling is unfortunate, but, hey, there was "much disputing" in the book of Acts too . . .

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!

But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

​

I do not think that the Scriptures given (or any Scriptures) teach that it is works or obedience that secures eternity. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Then God's grace through our faith produces God's workmanship in us!

Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.

That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel!

I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.

So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.

We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.

​

I think you've done a pretty good job of struggling with this and working it out and being able to articulate it. This is what you believe and where you currently are.

 

[p_rehbein]

My two cents: I think such squabbling is unfortunate, but, hey, there was "much disputing" in the book of Acts too . . .

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!

But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

​

I do not think that the Scriptures given (or any Scriptures) teach that it is works or obedience that secures eternity. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Then God's grace through our faith produces God's workmanship in us!

Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.

That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel!

I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.

So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.

We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.

​

The Title fits the Scriptures provided in the OP. Even a few of the detractors have to acknowledge that obedience is required by God. Jesus spoke more than once of this, and He also warned what being disobedient to Him/God would result in. We are saved by Grace through Faith.......and we must believe on Him.......here most agree, however too many do not understand that. IF we truly believe on Him, we will be obedient to Him and obey His Commandments. It is not works salvation, it is walking in obedience to Christ/God. The disobedient will not enter into the Kingdom, and that is exactly what Matthew 7:21 is warning all believers of.

It is sad that people can not separate works salvation (which are works done BEFORE salvation) from good works done in obedience AFTER salvation, which is exactly what I am talking about. It really is sad, and it worries me that so many in the Church are sitting on the sidelines rather then getting out and getting busy working for the Kingdom.

Matthew 9:36) But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. 37) Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38) Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes she is.. I saw her peeping me while I was putting on my clothes this morning... lol JK View attachment 179720

She was looking for your kittens!

 

[notuptome]

I to find it comforting. Because I am quite willing, and trying to do what God has purposed me to do. I strive daily to walk obediently to the Commandments of Christ and do what God has purposed me to do. Because I am obedient to His Commandments/Will, I know my future is securely in His Kingdom.

The Scripture doesn't lend itself to misinterpretation. Those who do Gods will enter into Heaven, those who do not do Gods will----do not. This is not works Salvation, it is obedience to God and Christ. So many people can not understand that, but that is on them, not me. If a believer never does what God tells them to do........how can they possibly believe that they will still enter into His Kingdom?

Anyway.........

And yet you manage to take the passage out of context and create a false pretext with it. When confronted you simply dismiss the correction and go on in your insufferable conceit.

We enter the kingdom by the merits of Christ. This is the same stone that caused the Jews to stumble.

I adore the way you play the victim card when you are exposed for your obvious misapplication of prophetic passages of scripture. Matthew 7 is really not all that difficult yet you flip it on it's head.

What of those you cause to stumble? What of those you offend who are yet babes in Christ? What of those who say I cannot possibly achieve enough so why even try? What of those who turn away from Christ because you have placed a false standard before them which seems beyond their reach?

I got your....anyway.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

For this very reason, be diligent to supply in your faith goodness, goodness in knowledge, 6 knowledge in self-control, self-control in endurance, endurance in godliness, 7 godliness in brotherly affection, and brotherly affection in love. 8 For if these things are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be diligent to make secure your calling and election, because if you do these things you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you. 2 Peter 1:5-11​

 

[7seasrekeyed]

this is the post I was responding to above..forgot to include it

I never gave you a demand, I gave you an option. I asked you if you could answer or not. Your refusal to answer an easy question is on you.

well I guess I should have known better than to expect you to be honest.

1. I do not have to prove ANYONE IN THIS THREAD said we must obey the law to be saved. So since I never said they did, thus your resistance just because I will not show who did is non sense. and a non issue.

2. The op says we must obey the law of Jesus, and by doing this, we assure salvation.

I asked what is the difference between those who demand law must be followed (you know who they are, they are all over this chatroom, even if they have not pocked their faces in this thread yet.) and what elephant here is saying (demand the law of Christ must be followed)

Can you answer or not?

I did not say you were wrong when you said no one here was saying the law was required. You took me wrong (as you usually do)

can you answer or not? Is there a difference?

well I guess I should have known better than to expect you to be honest.

you know, that is truly not the reply of someone who says they are a Christian. this is what you do...you have made this exact remark to many on this forum

I'm not sure you know what honest would even look like

 

[p_rehbein]

And yet you manage to take the passage out of context and create a false pretext with it. When confronted you simply dismiss the correction and go on in your insufferable conceit.

We enter the kingdom by the merits of Christ. This is the same stone that caused the Jews to stumble.

I adore the way you play the victim card when you are exposed for your obvious misapplication of prophetic passages of scripture. Matthew 7 is really not all that difficult yet you flip it on it's head.

What of those you cause to stumble? What of those you offend who are yet babes in Christ? What of those who say I cannot possibly achieve enough so why even try? What of those who turn away from Christ because you have placed a false standard before them which seems beyond their reach?

I got your....anyway.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And yet, you continue to not understand the simplest of Scriptures........and the Title fits exactly what Christ preached during His ministry. You are too blinded by your denominational ideology and self importance to see beyond them.

You wanna stir all this up again? That's on you dude.

I do not see how your nose isn't twisted into a pretzel the way you talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

You wanna stir it all up again? That's on you dude.......

I got you dude:
Just a little man hiding behind his computer screen puffed up with self importance

 

[p_rehbein]

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

For this very reason, be diligent to supply in your faith goodness, goodness in knowledge, 6 knowledge in self-control, self-control in endurance, endurance in godliness, 7 godliness in brotherly affection, and brotherly affection in love. 8 For if these things are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be diligent to make secure your calling and election, because if you do these things you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you. 2 Peter 1:5-11​

It warms my soul to know that some actually understand the Teachings of our Christ.

 

[p_rehbein]

Matthew 9:36) But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. 37) Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38) Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

Few labourers will come from here I fear........

 

[7seasrekeyed]

My two cents: I think such squabbling is unfortunate, but, hey, there was "much disputing" in the book of Acts too . . .

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!

But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

​

I do not think that the Scriptures given (or any Scriptures) teach that it is works or obedience that secures eternity. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Then God's grace through our faith produces God's workmanship in us!

Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.

That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel!

I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.

So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.

We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.

​

what I highlighted in blue is something I have tried to say, pointed out and also believe

but few pay attention

no one...ABSOLUTELY no one...has addressed the things posted by the op and said by Jesus

you may not be aware, but there are some in this forum that do no believe we need to pay attention to what Jesus said because (and I quote) 'He was under the law'

they do not understand the OT, they do not understand the difference between trying to earn salvation with so called works and obedience to the gospel

it is an ongoing and sad statement that reflects on either a true inability to comprehend or the belief that Jesus preached a different gospel than did Paul...which is also a teaching that has crept in here

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Well, I'm all banged up and bruised from falling the other day.. Went to see daddy at Woodridge this morning..Tripped TWICE walking back home.

I am an old, decrepit, off-balance hot mess.. lol View attachment 179721

Ouch...
Sometimes I try to remember what a pain free day felt like. I can't. I know I lived mostly without pain but I can't remember what that felt like.

I did have one odd moment about a year ago where I was walking up some stairs and all of a sudden realized that I was having no pain in it at all and in fact was having no pain anywhere. I was suddenly climbing effortlessly. I stopped, wide eyed and said out loud: oh my gosh! This is what it's going to feel like, isn't it?? And I felt the Spirit wash over me and I was in great peace and comfort for about...five minutes maybe. I even stood when I got to the top of the stairs and picked heavy things up on purpose and it didn't hurt my hands and I just really tried to feel that pain freeness because I knew the chronic pains would return but I didn't want to forget this promise and glimpse He was giving to me. I wanted to remember it so I could...have more patience in my pain in the future. I even sat down in a chair that I love but can't sit in any more because it is too painful to get back up out of it. I sat and stood like 6 times to just feel it. Then I said, okay thank you Lord, it's enough. I then tried to get back up out of the chair and realized my mistake. I should have stood again before I said it.

 

[Chester]

I cannot imagine any circumstance where I would want to see someone under those circumstances. If someone saw me putting my pants on they would probably gouge their eyes out in response. I think even the angels look the other way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Please: Don't make me laugh so hard!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I cannot imagine any circumstance where I would want to see someone under those circumstances. If someone saw me putting my pants on they would probably gouge their eyes out in response. I think even the angels look the other way.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

My mother has always said if you are getting dressed and someone accidentally walks in on you, if you are under 40 they must apologize to you but if you are over 40 you must apologize to them.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Yes, please don't make Chester laugh. We don't wanna see him pee himself... lol

Please: Don't make me laugh so hard!

 

[notuptome]

And yet, you continue to not understand the simplest of Scriptures........and the Title fits exactly what Christ preached during His ministry. You are too blinded by your denominational ideology and self importance to see beyond them.

You wanna stir all this up again? That's on you dude.

I do not see how your nose isn't twisted into a pretzel the way you talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

You wanna stir it all up again? That's on you dude.......

I got you dude:
Just a little man hiding behind his computer screen puffed up with self importance

Personal attacks? Your attack on me reflects how you see yourself.

The Jews stumbled at the message of Jesus. Obedience without the Holy Spirit is not obedience. You can only achieve when you stop with self and begin with Him.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG you cracked me up. Couldn't give rep. Me hacking a computer would be like a dog baking a cake. Impossible. I can barely get it turned on!

lol, Had to do something to try to lighten this thread up. And that you for making a funny out of what happened

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you bring out the best in people, yah know?

Sadly, I only bring the worse out of people like you.

You made a statement "Who said anything about works of the law in this thread"

I asked you an honest question - Does it really matter? what is the difference between saying we must obey works of the law or works of Christ to MAINTAIN salvation.

Instead of being honest, And saying what you believe (I see no difference really. Or there is a HUGE difference, I agree with elephant on this)

All you have done is attack me.

Way to go sister (or can I even call you than anymore? SInce I must assume since you will not answer, You think elephant is right, and we MUST obey the law of Jesus to maintain salvation. (not because we ARE SAVED, and because of it, out of faith and out of Gods power we WILL obey christs commands, although not all of us will grow as much as others)

I have nothing at all wrong with Elephant wanting to encourage the church to do the works of Christ, I would dtand side by side wiht him and do that. But that is not what he is doing

HE IS MAKING IT A PRE-REQUISITE FOR SALVATION. And ATTACKING anyone who disagrees (like he has since he has been here)

Thats A DIFFERENT GOSPEL.

But hey you want to play your games, feel free..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and you quoted my post above and said this

and then I said this


​

and then you came back with your trademark reply that ignores what someone said (you do this to everyone that has a different thought about something than you do)

​

well dude if you never said someone said what you want to argue about (that has NO bearing on the thread) why bring it up in the first place?

seems you just want to make a point that you think you can spin on and this is your pattern

I had you on ignore quite a while and I think it best to not respond to someone who goes off topic and gets all indignant because someone will not take up the challenge

when I responded to this thread, I agreed with the op

and you know, it's just on you, that you are so immature that you insist people have to answer to you

I just laid out what you did in case someone missed it

this goes on constantly in the 3000, give or take a few pages, thread that is one almost constant bickering and slicing and dicing opportunity

you bring that same judgemental spirit from that thread with you into others that you fancy you need to take task to

end of story

I asked you an honest question, What was the difference?

You can't answer.

So I will assume you think their is a difference.

End of story.

(whats amazing is if no one said anything about works of the law. WHY DID YOU SAY IT TO BEGIN WITH???)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Title fits the Scriptures provided in the OP. Even a few of the detractors have to acknowledge that obedience is required by God. Jesus spoke more than once of this, and He also warned what being disobedient to Him/God would result in. We are saved by Grace through Faith.......and we must believe on Him.......here most agree, however too many do not understand that. IF we truly believe on Him, we will be obedient to Him and obey His Commandments. It is not works salvation, it is walking in obedience to Christ/God. The disobedient will not enter into the Kingdom, and that is exactly what Matthew 7:21 is warning all believers of.

It is sad that people can not separate works salvation (which are works done BEFORE salvation) from good works done in obedience AFTER salvation, which is exactly what I am talking about. It really is sad, and it worries me that so many in the Church are sitting on the sidelines rather then getting out and getting busy working for the Kingdom.

Matthew 9:36) But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. 37) Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38) Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

OBEDIENCE IS NOT REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN SALVATION. IF IT IS, WE ARE SAVED BY WORKS, NOT BY GRACE (PLEASE NOTE, I DID NOT SAY A THING ABOUT WORKS OF THE LAW before I get accused again)