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I think you are looking at that Mathew verse humanly.
I don't see the verse as a warning for me so much as...a comfort for me. A...reconfirmation, because I see that He has worked in me from the inside out to make me a doer of His will by giving me less arrogance, more humility, patience, forgiveness.
The verse used to be like a warning to me but somewhere along the line it became comfort to me...
I don't see the verse as a warning for me so much as...a comfort for me. A...reconfirmation, because I see that He has worked in me from the inside out to make me a doer of His will by giving me less arrogance, more humility, patience, forgiveness.
The verse used to be like a warning to me but somewhere along the line it became comfort to me...
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And again, I am the one who is attacking.
And I would ask who is not doing what he said here, I would again agree with him, Sanctification is the work of God, but it also takes our cooperation (unlike justification, which there is nothing we can do)
even so, GODS PEOPLE WILL WORK. Elephent here seems to think they may not, Is this not the issue we need to discuss.
and to add to the fact he things this is REQUIRED to maintain salvation? is that not an ISSUE??
And I would ask who is not doing what he said here, I would again agree with him, Sanctification is the work of God, but it also takes our cooperation (unlike justification, which there is nothing we can do)
even so, GODS PEOPLE WILL WORK. Elephent here seems to think they may not, Is this not the issue we need to discuss.
and to add to the fact he things this is REQUIRED to maintain salvation? is that not an ISSUE??
My two cents: I think such squabbling is unfortunate, but, hey, there was "much disputing" in the book of Acts too . . .
I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!
But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:
Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity
I do not think that the Scriptures given (or any Scriptures) teach that it is works or obedience that secures eternity. We are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Then God's grace through our faith produces God's workmanship in us!
Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.
That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel!
I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.
So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.
We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.
I agree wholeheartedly with the OP's burden: I think he sees many who only "profess" Christ and do not work diligently in His kingdom. Our world today is a sad place: more and more are getting caught in the Devil's many threads of lust, greed, sports, drink, fame, money, and all other kinds of substitutes instead of Jesus Christ. Less and less are living wholeheartedly for the kingdom of God!
But I do think it is unfortunate that he used this title:
Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity
Often the issue is that different people from different backgrounds say things differently and react to different ways of saying things. That may be part of what is happening here.
That was my two cents: Now here is my five cents: nickel!
I highly respect many here who believe in OSAS, but I disagree with that belief. If OSAS is true, it makes works irrelevant and unnecessary to get to heaven. Most (maybe all?) who believe in OSAS here believe in discipleship, teach discipleship, and live discipleship.
So I will come out saying that works are included in the picture and are relevant to continue to stay saved and to get to heaven. But it is not the works that secures salvation or maintains salvation, but it is grace through faith.
We are not saved by "faith alone" - such a thing does not exist - we are saved by a faith that evidences itself in our works.
I to find it comforting. Because I am quite willing, and trying to do what God has purposed me to do. I strive daily to walk obediently to the Commandments of Christ and do what God has purposed me to do. Because I am obedient to His Commandments/Will, I know my future is securely in His Kingdom.
The Scripture doesn't lend itself to misinterpretation. Those who do Gods will enter into Heaven, those who do not do Gods will----do not. This is not works Salvation, it is obedience to God and Christ. So many people can not understand that, but that is on them, not me. If a believer never does what God tells them to do........how can they possibly believe that they will still enter into His Kingdom?
Anyway.........
The Scripture doesn't lend itself to misinterpretation. Those who do Gods will enter into Heaven, those who do not do Gods will----do not. This is not works Salvation, it is obedience to God and Christ. So many people can not understand that, but that is on them, not me. If a believer never does what God tells them to do........how can they possibly believe that they will still enter into His Kingdom?
Anyway.........
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and you quoted my post above and said this
and then I said this
and then you came back with your trademark reply that ignores what someone said (you do this to everyone that has a different thought about something than you do)
well dude if you never said someone said what you want to argue about (that has NO bearing on the thread) why bring it up in the first place?
seems you just want to make a point that you think you can spin on and this is your pattern
I had you on ignore quite a while and I think it best to not respond to someone who goes off topic and gets all indignant because someone will not take up the challenge
when I responded to this thread, I agreed with the op
and you know, it's just on you, that you are so immature that you insist people have to answer to you
I just laid out what you did in case someone missed it
this goes on constantly in the 3000, give or take a few pages, thread that is one almost constant bickering and slicing and dicing opportunity
you bring that same judgemental spirit from that thread with you into others that you fancy you need to take task to
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