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p_rehbein

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I hereby introduce my R.O.S.E. Theology!

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REMAINING OBEDIENT SECURES ETERNITY

(Scriptural Support)


John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Luke 6:46 - And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isaiah 1:19 - If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

1 Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.

Ephesians 6:5-9 - Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; (Read More...)

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

2 Corinthians 2:9 - For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

Luke 5:1-39 - And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, (Read More...)

Matthew 16:27)
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Romans 2:5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

2 Corinthians 5:10)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Corinthians 4:5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

1 Peter 1:17) And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Revelation 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Psalms 62:12) Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

Proverbs 24:12) If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Colossians 3:23) And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

24) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
25) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

1 Corinthians 3:8) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.


FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION!

God bless......

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joaniemarie

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Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
 

p_rehbein

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Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
Good Scripture......nothing to do with the OP, but good Scripture
 

joaniemarie

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Good Scripture......nothing to do with the OP, but good Scripture

Originally Posted by joaniemarie

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5


Of course it's a good verse AND it has everything to do with your thread. :) You are posting verses about works being rewarded and I'm posting that the Bible says; we are not rewarded for our works we are all that we are because of Jesus. We have the blessings of God IN Christ., not IN and because of our works.

Our inheritance is found not in our works of righteousness that we have done... but 100% because of what Jesus gave us IN and because of His righteousness.







Originally Posted by joaniemarie

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
 

p_rehbein

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Ah, I thought you did not understand.........

You ARE AWARE that like good works, obedience is a FRUIT OF SALVATION right?

As I posted on your thread......do you believe that the Commandments Christ gave us are the LAW?
 

joaniemarie

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Jesus didn't give us "commandments" He gave us His righteousness and His Spirit.
 

p_rehbein

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See your thread............
 

Grandpa

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What if you tried to remain obedient but you missed?

Does your ROSE score go down?

What if you were a little late on your obedience but eventually you were obedient?

Does this make your ROSE score go down too?

What score do I need to make it in? 700? 640? a perfect 850?

If I declare that this has been too difficult and decide to start over does this negatively affect my ROSE score for 7 yrs?


Seems pretty complicated. I wonder what level of obedience is truly required.
 

p_rehbein

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What if you tried to remain obedient but you missed?

Does your ROSE score go down?

What if you were a little late on your obedience but eventually you were obedient?

Does this make your ROSE score go down too?

What score do I need to make it in? 700? 640? a perfect 850?

If I declare that this has been too difficult and decide to start over does this negatively affect my ROSE score for 7 yrs?


Seems pretty complicated. I wonder what level of obedience is truly required.
Regarding the first: That would be what Grace is all about.......and what asking forgiveness for is all about.....

Grace DOES NOT exclude our need to be obedient.......

IF you think we do not need to be obedient to His Commandments, then WHAT IN THE WORLD do we do with these Two?

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38) This is the first and great commandment. 39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.]


 

Grandpa

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Regarding the first: That would be what Grace is all about.......and what asking forgiveness for is all about.....

Grace DOES NOT exclude our need to be obedient.......

IF you think we do not need to be obedient to His Commandments, then WHAT IN THE WORLD do we do with these Two?

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38) This is the first and great commandment. 39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.]


We absolutely DO need to be obedient to His Commands.

I just don't really get your theology here.

You say asking forgiveness gives us a perfect score? Not our actual obedience?

Looks like you'll need to change your acronym. It must be forgiveness that secures our salvation and not necessarily obedience.
 

joaniemarie

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Ohhhhh... so grace kicks in when we fail to do it in our flesh? So God wants us to be better versions of our flesh than we were before we got saved? Sooo Jesus died to give us a leg up?? So now it's up to us to complete the race set before us?? NOT
 

p_rehbein

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We absolutely DO need to be obedient to His Commands.

I just don't really get your theology here.

You say asking forgiveness gives us a perfect score? Not our actual obedience?

Looks like you'll need to change your acronym. It must be forgiveness that secures our salvation and not necessarily obedience.
I think some folks experience brain freeze when they read the word Obedience....... :) Seriously.

IF you read the OP.......READ the Scriptural support.....THEN I do not understand how you can be confused.

My assertion was that we NEED to be obedient to Christ..........Obedience, just like good works, is a FRUIT of Salvation!

But when folks see the word Obedience........ALL THEY SEE IS THE MOSAIC LAWS......and they go wacco!

I can just imagine seeing them

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p_rehbein

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Ohhhhh... so grace kicks in when we fail to do it in our flesh? So God wants us to be better versions of our flesh than we were before we got saved? Sooo Jesus died to give us a leg up?? So now it's up to us to complete the race set before us?? NOT
You don't understand the conversation.......seriously.......mayhaps you should sit this one out?

(just saying)
 

tourist

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Then what would you call the ten COMMANDMENTS, and all the other commandments in the bible? :confused:
There are those that would call them minor inconveniences that get in the way of them doing their own thing.
 

joaniemarie

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Then what would you call the ten COMMANDMENTS, and all the other commandments in the bible? :confused:

John 1:7 The law came by Moses. But grace and truth came by Jesus Christ...

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For out of His fullness (abundance) we have all received [all had a share and we were all supplied with] one grace after another and spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing and even favor upon favor and gift [heaped] upon gift.
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17 [/SUP]For while the Law was given through Moses, grace ([SUP][a][/SUP]unearned, undeserved favor and spiritual blessing) and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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18 [/SUP]No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [SUP][b][/SUP]unique Son, or [SUP][c][/SUP]the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].
 

p_rehbein

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BTW: Your saying..........

Does your ROSE score go down?

What if you were a little late on your obedience but eventually you were obedient?

Does this make your ROSE score go down too?

What score do I need to make it in? 700? 640? a perfect 850?

If I declare that this has been too difficult and decide to start over does this negatively affect my ROSE score for 7 yrs?


is nothing more than trying to discredit my OP by CREATING something I never said or implied in the OP.........

The only possible connection you could try and use to justify making all this up and posting it as a false representation of my OP is when I stated "Secure Eternity."

I did nothing more than say what Jesus Himself said:

Matthew 7:21
- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

so, mayhaps you are confused about there being some score one must achieve, you should take it up with Him?




 

Nehemiah6

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REMAINING OBEDIENT SECURES ETERNITY
That should say, "Remaining obedient secures fellowship with God and Christ, and future rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ".

The eternal security of the believer is NOT based upon his or her obedience, but Christ's obedience to the Law and to the Father (His perfect life on earth and His perfect sacrifice for our sins).
 

p_rehbein

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John 1:7 The law came by Moses. But grace and truth came by Jesus Christ...

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For out of His fullness (abundance) we have all received [all had a share and we were all supplied with] one grace after another and spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing and even favor upon favor and gift [heaped] upon gift.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]For while the Law was given through Moses, grace ([SUP][a][/SUP]unearned, undeserved favor and spiritual blessing) and truth came through Jesus Christ.
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [SUP][b][/SUP]unique Son, or [SUP][c][/SUP]the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

You are so far off from the OP........this IS NOT ABOUT THE MOSAIC LAW!

Goodness.....

Try and answer this question: Are we to obey Christ?
 

p_rehbein

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That should say, "Remaining obedient secures fellowship with God and Christ, and future rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ".

The eternal security of the believer is NOT based upon his or her obedience, but Christ's obedience to the Law and to the Father (His perfect life on earth and His perfect sacrifice for our sins).

I can see what you are saying.......SO, would you PLEASE inform Christ of this?

Suggest you actually READ the Scriptures I provided.......and SEE what Jesus Himself said