GALATIANS 3:5....BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW OR BY THE HEARING OF FAITH?

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Imagine that you are at a healing service. An alcoholic walks into the church reeking of alcohol. He sits behind the pianist, a nice elderly lady who has been serving in the church for 50 years. Both of them are suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. The healing power of God is present. In an instant, the alcoholic, who has never been in church before, gets healed. The pianist does not.

Most people, on hearing stories like this, would get upset and confused. They might ask, “Shouldn’t God heal this nice, old lady who has been serving Him faithfully all these years, and not that debauched drunkard?” You see, many people still believe that God heals only the deserving.

But that is not how God works. God looks at faith, not works. His power is made manifest in those who trust His goodness instead of their good behavior. So if we go back to the above example, God wants to heal both the alcoholic and the nice elderly pianist. All they need to do is to receive by grace, or unmerited favor, through faith.

You see, we cannot earn the blessings of God. We receive them by believing God’s love and grace toward us. If we receive the greatest blessing—salvation—by simply believing that Jesus did it all for us and not by working for it, what makes us think that the other lesser blessings can be obtained by our works?

So if my daughter falls sick, I don’t go to the Father and say, “Father, heal my daughter because I am Pastor Joseph Prince and I preach healing to the people.” No, I go to Him by the blood of Jesus and say, “Father, I thank You that 2,000 years ago, Jesus bore Jessica’s sickness in His body. On that basis alone and by Your grace, I pronounce her healed in Jesus’ name.”

When you simply believe that you receive your blessings based on Jesus’ finished work and by His grace alone, you will receive your blessings!

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joaniemarie

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I wasn't going to post this but decided to since it discusses what so many people here on cc wonder about. If we are serving the Lord for like 50 years like that elderly lady who is in church every Sunday., who has played the piano and served faithfully., how come one who is not even in church nor have they served the Lord at all... how come they get healed and the devoted lady doesn't?

The answer is a Bible answer. It's for Jesus sake that we are anything and going to God based on Jesus is the only way to be able to ask anything. God is not paying us back for faithfulness. He is giving us all things because of and ONLY because of Jesus.


Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
 
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Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

I think that the phrase, “by the hearing of faith” reveals a problem some have with regard to ministry. That the ministering of the Spirit requires the minister to hear what the Spirit is saying, rather than the notion that a minister believes what the scripture says and ministers without hearing the Spirit speak in the present tense.

Both the minister and the one ministered to must hear the present tense word that the Spirit is speaking.

By faith some hear the Spirit while others don’t hear, even though all hear the minister speak.
 

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Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

I think that the phrase, “by the hearing of faith” reveals a problem some have with regard to ministry. That the ministering of the Spirit requires the minister to hear what the Spirit is saying, rather than the notion that a minister believes what the scripture says and ministers without hearing the Spirit speak in the present tense.

Both the minister and the one ministered to must hear the present tense word that the Spirit is speaking.

By faith some hear the Spirit while others don’t hear, even though all hear the minister speak.


Hi Joseppi, This sounds a bit confusing to me. My mind sees it like this... without the Holy Spirit opening the understanding to both those who speak the truth and those who hear the truth., neither will be able to understand. These things are spiritually discerned. And each day., each of us has to decide to think in the spirit., so we don't walk... or hear things in the flesh...
 

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You posted that same Scripture on my thread, and I have to wonder why.....given this Thread?

My question to you is:

Do you believe that the Commandments Jesus gave us are the LAW?
 

joaniemarie

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You posted that same Scripture on my thread, and I have to wonder why.....given this Thread?

My question to you is:

Do you believe that the Commandments Jesus gave us are the LAW?


I believe we are saved 100% because of the finished work of Jesus on the cross. We are in agreement with what God says about salvation., that He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.. that whosoever believes on Him will not perish (does not come into condemnation) but have ever lasting life.. we have passed from death unto life.

When we believe., He makes us born again. Passing from death into life we have been given His Spirit. All who have His Spirit are His.
We don't do anything but receive the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus. Saved UNTO good works.
 

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I believe we are saved 100% because of the finished work of Jesus on the cross. We are in agreement with what God says about salvation., that He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.. that whosoever believes on Him will not perish (does not come into condemnation) but have ever lasting life.. we have passed from death unto lift.

When we believe., He makes us born again. Passing from death into life we have been given His Spirit. All who have His Spirit are His.
We don't do anything but receive the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus. Saved UNTO good works.
Do you believe the Commandments Jesus gave us during His Ministry are the Law?
 

p_rehbein

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Jesus didn't give us "commandments" He gave us His righteousness and His Holy Spirit.
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Matthew 22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38) This is the first and great commandment.
39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets


The four Gospels are full of Commandments Christ gave us....



 

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Hi Joseppi, This sounds a bit confusing to me. My mind sees it like this... without the Holy Spirit opening the understanding to both those who speak the truth and those who hear the truth., neither will be able to understand. These things are spiritually discerned. And each day., each of us has to decide to think in the spirit., so we don't walk... or hear things in the flesh...
I’am referring to hearing what the Spirit is saying.

I find that many folks try to apply scripture rather than seek the word of the Lord.

When it comes to ministry, applying scripture and faith to a need is problematic with respect to knowing the will of God.
But, when the Spirit speaks then the scripture is known to apply to the problem and faith will rise up because the will of God is known.
 

joaniemarie

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I’am referring to hearing what the Spirit is saying.

I find that many folks try to apply scripture rather than seek the word of the Lord.

When it comes to ministry, applying scripture and faith to a need is problematic with respect to knowing the will of God.
But, when the Spirit speaks then the scripture is known to apply to the problem and faith will rise up because the will of God is known.



I think what I said applies... without the Holy Spirit witnessing to our spirit... we can't do anything by way of hearing or by way of fruit.
Unless what we do is done by the Spirit it won't count for anything for us. It becomes wood hay and stubble. That is why we must learn to tell the difference between walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit. We are a new creation called to walk in and by that new man by the Holy Spirit who works in us. He doesn't work through our flesh., it's called the fruits of the Spirit not the fruits of the 'flesh'
 
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p_rehbein

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Ok, not gonna beat it to death.......you are dancing around answering my question....and I do not blame you.

Perhaps you should reread the OP and see what Jesus Himself said rather than try to discredit what you think I believe. What I believe, or you, or anyone else, will never be as important as what Jesus said Himself.
 

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You posted that same Scripture on my thread, and I have to wonder why.....given this Thread?

My question to you is:

Do you believe that the Commandments Jesus gave us are the LAW?
No.
Jesus’ commandments are new commandments.
The new commandments of Jesus accord with the royal law of love.
This frees the disciples of Jesus to go far beyond the law of Moses to fulfill the works of God.
 

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The commandments of Jesus accord with the royal law of love.
This frees the disciples of Jesus to go far beyond the law of Moses to fulfill the works of God.
Good answer......what they actually are, are the building blocks of the Law of Faith as laid out by the Apostle Paul.

So, ARE WE to obey the Commandments Christ gave us?
 

joaniemarie

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Ok, not gonna beat it to death.......you are dancing around answering my question....and I do not blame you.

Perhaps you should reread the OP and see what Jesus Himself said rather than try to discredit what you think I believe. What I believe, or you, or anyone else, will never be as important as what Jesus said Himself.


I don't dance...
 

Joseppi

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I think what I said applies... without the Holy Spirit witnessing to our spirit... we can't do anything by way of hearing or by way of fruit.
Unless what we do is done by the Spirit it won't count for anything for us. It becomes wood hay and stubble. That is why we must learn to tell the difference between walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit. We are a new creation called to walk in and by that new man by the Holy Spirit who works in us. He doesn't work through our flesh., it's called the fruits of the Spirit not the fruits of the 'flesh'
I’m referring to hearing the Spirit and ministering by faith accordingly.
 

joaniemarie

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No.
Jesus’ commandments are new commandments.
The new commandments of Jesus accord with the royal law of love.
This frees the disciples of Jesus to go far beyond the law of Moses to fulfill the works of God.

This frees the Sons of God who are born again new creations to walk according the the Spirit He gave us and not according to the flesh.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

We were not just made better versions of the flesh... we were made NEW creations in Christ.