Post on Denominations

[JaumeJ]

The post below was pasted in what I thought was Bible discussion. I am pasting it here in order to share with as many as possible. God bless all amen...

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Re: Presbyterian/Baptist War[/h]

Most are going to disagree with this pronouncement on denominations, and this is normal for most in this age.

No named denomination will concur with another simply by virtue of the fact they need to name themselves in order to distinguish them from other named denominations.

This is why I hear Jesus on the matter always, whom I also like to call Yeshua..

We are become children of Abrahan, and our faith is the faith of Abraham. This is not a denomination unless someone comes along and makes one up calling it by this reality, not a title.

Now if you keep in mind Abraham means "Honored Father of Peoples (nations)" you may possibly understand this teaching more profoundly.........

Those who disagree will disagree while those who understand will know.

All blessing in Jesus Christ, amen.​

 

[Didymous]

So I guess-since I belong to no denomination-my denomination is non-denominational?

 

[JaumeJ]

My honest reply is, only if you believe it is.

May I add, I believe there is family in all of those denominations. Sometimes, perhaps much of the time, they scratch their heads whe hearing pastors preaching things that do not quite square with what they have been given to understand from the Word..........these are brethren with a great gift of patience, and they are a blessing to me and to all...

So I guess-since I belong to no denomination-my denomination is non-denominational?

 

[Didymous]

I hadn't thought about it until I saw your post, and don't worry about it. I go to different churches at different times.

 

[JaumeJ]

YOu are just as I then. Anyone who truly loves Jesus Christ is my family in Christ.....Loving Him, in my humble understanding, is hearing Him and DOING His teaching....

I hadn't thought about it until I saw your post, and don't worry about it. I go to different churches at different times.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not want this truth to slip by in this thread.

It is Jesus Christ Who teaches us we are of the faith of Abraham, not another. Also, it is He Who makes us children of Abraham in His teaching, not that of another........

 

[gb9]

I do not want this truth to slip by in this thread.

It is Jesus Christ Who teaches us we are of the faith of Abraham, not another. Also, it is He Who makes us children of Abraham in His teaching, not that of another........

especially Paul right? I mean, according to you, " real true mature Christians do not need to read Paul, his letters were for churches with problems". you said this, about 6 months ago. your words.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is Jesus Christ Who teaches or taught Paul. Paul stresses this in his evangelizing. I have never said we do not elarn from Paul, but I have said we do learn all from the gospel as taught by jesus Christ.

You must be a very sad person to have this drive to follwo me around with this same accusation from one thread to another. Does it make you feel good to say I have said this when I have not. I previously invited you to post where I said what you keep saying, and you have never even attempted to. Why? Becasue you are making it up.

especially Paul right? I mean, according to you, " real true mature Christians do not need to read Paul, his letters were for churches with problems". you said this, about 6 months ago. your words.

 

[notuptome]

I do not want this truth to slip by in this thread.

It is Jesus Christ Who teaches us we are of the faith of Abraham, not another. Also, it is He Who makes us children of Abraham in His teaching, not that of another........

Falling short of the truth. We are not children of Abraham. We are children of the God of Abraham. Christ spoke of the faith of Abraham as an example but we are to place our faith in Christ not Abraham. Abraham needed a Redeemer just as we do. The children of Abraham rejected and conspired to crucify the Redeemer sent by Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

It is obvious you have not understood the OP. Also, it is Jesus Christ who teaches we are sons of Abraham....now I went further for those who would understand in saying just Who Abraham is, again for those who already know and those who will.

Falling short of the truth. We are not children of Abraham. We are children of the God of Abraham. Christ spoke of the faith of Abraham as an example but we are to place our faith in Christ not Abraham. Abraham needed a Redeemer just as we do. The children of Abraham rejected and conspired to crucify the Redeemer sent by Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blain]

I have never liked the whole denomination thing even being a denominational is in itself a non denomination. I mean like Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Yes there are different types of believers like what the baptists believe and the charismatics and the others denominations but they are all a part of the same body of Christ just different parts. After the human body has different parts that function differently for different purposes and though they work differently the right leg does not say to the left arm no your not doing it my way and the foot doesn't say to the hand to do what it does.

Think of this if you will, within Christianity alone there perhaps close to a hundred denominations within each denomination there are perhaps a thousand different doctrines within that thousand doctrine there are perhaps thousands more of different views beliefs and understanding of those doctrines, the numbers may not be exact but it's scary isn't it? The sad thing is all it takes is one difference of understanding of a single doctrine to separate the body and form a denomination, I mean we attack each other all the time over one topic and you all have seen how far downhill that can go and all the different views and understanding that varies with it.

As for myself I don't go by any label of any denomination not even non denomination I am simply a child of God nothing more nothing less any views or beliefs I have do not decide who I am or where I stand in his kingdom and any views or beliefs that may in fact not be the truth I gave him the power and the authority long ago to humble me and teach me and though I may never fully have the entire truth or understand everything I cannot be stubborn in my views and my beliefs as if they are the truth and others are not.

 

[Lewiz]

It is Jesus Christ Who teaches or taught Paul. Paul stresses this in his evangelizing. I have never said we do not elarn from Paul, but I have said we do learn all from the gospel as taught by jesus Christ.

You must be a very sad person to have this drive to follwo me around with this same accusation from one thread to another. Does it make you feel good to say I have said this when I have not. I previously invited you to post where I said what you keep saying, and you have never even attempted to. Why? Becasue you are making it up.

Seems like harassment to me. I'd report him.

 

[Blain]

Seems like harassment to me. I'd report him.

There is no need to be reporting he clearly had no understanding of the op and thought Jaume was saying something else

 

[Lewiz]

Falling short of the truth. We are not children of Abraham. We are children of the God of Abraham. Christ spoke of the faith of Abraham as an example but we are to place our faith in Christ not Abraham. Abraham needed a Redeemer just as we do. The children of Abraham rejected and conspired to crucify the Redeemer sent by Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Gal 3
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify[SUP]c[/SUP] the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

 

[Demi777]

especially Paul right? I mean, according to you, " real true mature Christians do not need to read Paul, his letters were for churches with problems". you said this, about 6 months ago. your words.

And you have nothing better to do than to run after someone with a comment made (even by ur words) a half year ago and out of context?
I like i brother but it really seems like ur resenting him and that wont help you anywhere. Opposite, holding grudges only hurts you.

 

[Nehemiah6]

We are become children of Abrahan, and our faith is the faith of Abraham.

We need to keep this in perspective. We are metaphorically "children" of Abraham in that believers have the faith of Abraham. But we need to take that to the next step. Faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ literally makes us children of God, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

It has always been my understand when it is written about the one part telling the other part that it is not part of the Body because it is not the same as he that what is being explained here are the individuals and their individuality for Jesus comes to each of us in the manner required by each of us. Also, I think it refers to the gifts, teachers, healers, miracle workers, tongues, and more. Now I could be dead wrong on this, as you have posted, you will never know all truth, and this certainly applies tome and all.

You have also deftly indicated how it is differences of doctrine which separate the denominations, and this is the primary point of my post. Would you like to hear a good one on why one is a Methodist and Another is a Baptist' i heard thhis from a wonderful woman in Clifton Hill, Missouri in 1958 one summer when I went back to work the fields.

She said, "Jackie, do yo want to know why I am a Baptist and would never be a Methodist?" I asked her why that was. She replied " We Baptist believe the arc in the sky is God's promise never to destroy thworld again by flood, while the Methodists say it is God's promise never to destroy the world again."

Now I used to attend the nearst church to my home with a cross on it, and by this time I had stopped even attending because I realized I had been going to about a dozen different denominations ov er our years of moving around, and also I was hearing things I did not like being preached from pulpits agains various peoples. So I wa not ready for such a strange new learning as the rainnbow debacle...........and so it goes.

Mrs Winn was a wonderful women and very fuinny without intending to be. I love her to this day. God bless you Blain..always.

I have never liked the whole denomination thing even being a denominational is in itself a non denomination. I mean like Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Yes there are different types of believers like what the baptists believe and the charismatics and the others denominations but they are all a part of the same body of Christ just different parts. After the human body has different parts that function differently for different purposes and though they work differently the right leg does not say to the left arm no your not doing it my way and the foot doesn't say to the hand to do what it does.

Think of this if you will, within Christianity alone there perhaps close to a hundred denominations within each denomination there are perhaps a thousand different doctrines within that thousand doctrine there are perhaps thousands more of different views beliefs and understanding of those doctrines, the numbers may not be exact but it's scary isn't it? The sad thing is all it takes is one difference of understanding of a single doctrine to separate the body and form a denomination, I mean we attack each other all the time over one topic and you all have seen how far downhill that can go and all the different views and understanding that varies with it.

As for myself I don't go by any label of any denomination not even non denomination I am simply a child of God nothing more nothing less any views or beliefs I have do not decide who I am or where I stand in his kingdom and any views or beliefs that may in fact not be the truth I gave him the power and the authority long ago to humble me and teach me and though I may never fully have the entire truth or understand everything I cannot be stubborn in my views and my beliefs as if they are the truth and others are not.

 

[Blain]

It has always been my understand when it is written about the one part telling the other part that it is not part of the Body because it is not the same as he that what is being explained here are the individuals and their individuality for Jesus comes to each of us in the manner required by each of us. Also, I think it refers to the gifts, teachers, healers, miracle workers, tongues, and more. Now I could be dead wrong on this, as you have posted, you will never know all truth, and this certainly applies tome and all.

You have also deftly indicated how it is differences of doctrine which separate the denominations, and this is the primary point of my post. Would you like to hear a good one on why one is a Methodist and Another is a Baptist' i heard thhis from a wonderful woman in Clifton Hill, Missouri in 1958 one summer when I went back to work the fields.

She said, "Jackie, do yo want to know why I am a Baptist and would never be a Methodist?" I asked her why that was. She replied " We Baptist believe the arc in the sky is God's promise never to destroy thworld again by flood, while the Methodists say it is God's promise never to destroy the world again."

Now I used to attend the nearst church to my home with a cross on it, and by this time I had stopped even attending because I realized I had been going to about a dozen different denominations ov er our years of moving around, and also I was hearing things I did not like being preached from pulpits agains various peoples. So I wa not ready for such a strange new learning as the rainnbow debacle...........and so it goes.

Mrs Winn was a wonderful women and very fuinny without intending to be. I love her to this day. God bless you Blain..always.

I also have seen the image of the human body as the gifts such as prophets teachers healers ect. I also have seen it in in the role we as believers work in the kingdom of God. Everyone is born with certain gifts and traits some people can be seen as the legs and the feet, they help the rest of the body of Christ to keep walking strong and to stand they tend to be the ones who help to encourage teach and to help guide the body, the hands and arms are the workers, not the works vs salvation things but rather they are the servants the healers the ones who offer themselves to God's services, the mouth is of course the ones whom God uses to speak through they are the prophets and teachers or the ones who he uses to speak to others and you it is of course much more in depth than that but what I have found is that some can be more than one part of the body while others are solely one at a time.

Perhaps it's simply because of my willingness or perhaps i was always to be these things for him but I have seen him use me profoundly in all of these manners but for the most part I think I am the legs and feet and the occasional mouth

 

[abcdef]

The post below was pasted in what I thought was Bible discussion. I am pasting it here in order to share with as many as possible. God bless all amen...

Re: Presbyterian/Baptist War

Most are going to disagree with this pronouncement on denominations, and this is normal for most in this age.

No named denomination will concur with another simply by virtue of the fact they need to name themselves in order to distinguish them from other named denominations.

This is why I hear Jesus on the matter always, whom I also like to call Yeshua..

We are become children of Abrahan, and our faith is the faith of Abraham. This is not a denomination unless someone comes along and makes one up calling it by this reality, not a title.

Now if you keep in mind Abraham means "Honored Father of Peoples (nations)" you may possibly understand this teaching more profoundly.........

Those who disagree will disagree while those who understand will know.

All blessing in Jesus Christ, amen.​

Brother JJ,

Modern denominations began centuries ago with the printing press and the translation into common languages. As the light of spiritual knowledge increased so did the divisions of the faith. Not necessarily because they wanted to be divided, but the authority of the Vatican and the teachings of the scriptural truth made it necessary.

Now we stand in the plain light of the noonday sun. The scriptures can be studied, taught, and understood like never before. So we see things differently than they did centuries ago. Our circumstances have changed, time has past.

What we have today are relics of the past. Leftover, decaying, antiques, that are adequate for some, but not for all. The light of the scriptures is dissolving the darkness of the past.

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We hope and pray that souls will continue to come to the gospel light of the Bible. I believe that there is faith in many souls, some are just closer to the light than others.

It is our blessing from God to understand, our work to show the light, but it is the work of the Holy Spirit to reveal God to the souls of men.

At this time, we cannot see the heart and souls of men, to judge anyone. Who will come to the light and who will not? Can we judge another individual's eternal salvation before their time? Or shall we let Jesus judge those who call on His name?

 

[JaumeJ]

Read my own signature........I judge no one to damnation, but according to our Master, Jesus Christ, I would be a hypocrite if I did not judge for myself what i right.

I believe you are not implying anything to the contrary. Thank you for contributing to us all. All blessing in Jesus Christ.

Brother JJ,

Modern denominations began centuries ago with the printing press and the translation into common languages. As the light of spiritual knowledge increased so did the divisions of the faith. Not necessarily because they wanted to be divided, but the authority of the Vatican and the teachings of the scriptural truth made it necessary.

Now we stand in the plain light of the noonday sun. The scriptures can be studied, taught, and understood like never before. So we see things differently than they did centuries ago. Our circumstances have changed, time has past.

What we have today are relics of the past. Leftover, decaying, antiques, that are adequate for some, but not for all. The light of the scriptures is dissolving the darkness of the past.

========

We hope and pray that souls will continue to come to the gospel light of the Bible. I believe that there is faith in many souls, some are just closer to the light than others.

It is our blessing from God to understand, our work to show the light, but it is the work of the Holy Spirit to reveal God to the souls of men.

At this time, we cannot see the heart and souls of men, to judge anyone. Who will come to the light and who will not? Can we judge another individual's eternal salvation before their time? Or shall we let Jesus judge those who call on His name?