Elaboration on Christ Fulfilling the Waw

[Gabriel2020]

The law is fulfilled by doing what the law said ,whereas the Israelites failed to do so.. We now have the Holy Spirit in us to cause us or make us obey the law. where it could not be done with the Israelite because they had not the Holy Spirit. You can still be a transgressor if you don't obey the Holy Spirit concerning the law .You cannot be impartial in the spiritual law. JAMES;2; 8-11;If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyseif, ye do well. 9; But if ye have respect to persons,ye commit sin,and are convinced of the law as transgressors..10; For whosoever shall keep the whole law,and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.. 11; For he that said, Do not commit adultery ,said also, Do not kill, Now if thou commit no adultery,yet if thou kill,thou art become a transgressor of the law........................You cannot do any of these things that cause you to break the law,and say that your sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. THAT IS WILLFUL SIN AND YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH IT. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. What I am saying here is that you cannot break the spiritual law without breaking the law that was written, because they are the same. They teach you what true love is.

 

[7777pinacled]

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• All of the Temple laws? Done away.
• Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
• Clean laws? Done away.
• The Priesthood? Done away.
• Tithing? Done away.
• Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments

But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8​

To Moshe [Adonai] said, “Come up to Adonai — you, Aharon, Nadav, Avihu, and seventy of the leaders of Isra’el. Prostrate yourselves at a distance, 2 while Moshe alone approaches Adonai — the others are not to approach, and the people are not to go up with him.”
3 Moshe came and told the people everything Adonai had said, including all the rulings. The people answered with one voice:

“We will obey every word Adonai has spoken.”

4 Moshe wrote down all the words of Adonai. He rose early in the morning, built an altar at the base of the mountain and set upright twelve large stones to represent the twelve tribes of Isra’el. 5 He sent the young men of the people of Isra’el to offer burnt offerings and sacrifice peace offerings of oxen to Adonai. 6 Moshe took half of the blood and put it in basins; the other half of the blood he splashed against the altar. 7 Then he took the book of the covenant and read it aloud, so that the people could hear; and they responded, “Everything that Adonai has spoken, we will do and obey.” 8 Moshe took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which Adonai has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
9Moshe, Aharon, Nadav, Avihu and seventy of the leaders went up; 10 and they saw the God of Isra’el.
Under his feet was something like a sapphire stone pavement as clear as the sky itself.

11 He did not reach out his hand against these notables of Isra’el; on the contrary, they saw God, even as they were eating and drinking.



Remember that ole paul was a pharisee first.

Paul is speaking of specific time, To an audience that knows the Torah(law)..
This is Emphatically telling them that Yeshua has Risen from the Grave and Forgiven the people for not being patient.
Has forgiven them for asking moses to go up in their stead.
Fullfilled a Mystery that only the Heart Knows

Forgiven them for their lack of Trust in Him.

 

[7777pinacled]

.

• All of the Temple laws? Done away.
• Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
• Clean laws? Done away.
• The Priesthood? Done away.
• Tithing? Done away.
• Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments

But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8​

Remember that ole paul was a pharisee first.

Paul is speaking of specific time, To an audience that knows the Torah(law)..
This is Emphatically telling them that Yeshua has Risen from the Grave and Forgiven the people for not being patient.
Has forgiven them for asking moses to go up in their stead.
Fullfilled a Mystery that only the Heart Knows

Forgiven them for their lack of Trust in Him in that Fateful day.
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“In addition, the Father who sent me has himself testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice or seen his shape; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]38 moreover, his word does not stay in you, because you don’t trust the one he sent. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
All the people experienced the thunder, the lightning, the sound of the shofar, and the mountain smoking. When the people saw it, they trembled. Standing at a distance, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 (19)
they said to Moshe,

“You, speak with us; and we will listen. But don’t let God speak with us, or we will die.”[/FONT]

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I am with Jesus Christ on the law. The law ahs no effect on me other than to instruct.

Are you saying you may kill and lie, and cheat and covet and more evil that this with impunity? Jesus was obedient unto death. It is apparent you cannot grasp the teaching that was availed to the firdt believers in Jesus. They had the disciples and the teachings of the fulfillment of the law and the prophets of the Old Testament by our Lord, Jesus..

JESUS would not do those things and HE paid for sin On our behalf,so under GRACE the Issue now Is faith and not condemnation for those who believe In the WORD of GOD.

Grace does not teach a person to want to sin anyway.

JESUS the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the Vine and displaying spiritual fruit establishing the law.

It is apparent you cannot grasp the teaching that was availed to the firdt believers in Jesus

 

[MattforJesus]

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,the laws of love,moral laws.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel away,including all the laws that are not part of laws of love,moral laws,which are spiritual laws.

We go by the 2 greatest commandments love God,and love people,and all the prophets and law hang on those 2 laws.

Love people.

Jesus said a new commandment I give you that you love one another as I have loved you,and love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and the ten commandments are love towards God and people,so they are spiritual laws and did not pass away.

Love God.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal,let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and if you do not continue in the goodness of God you will be cut off like the Old Testament,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sin,and abstain from fleshy lusts that war against the soul,and lay aside every weight of sin that so easily besets us,and blessed is the man that endures temptation,does not sin,for he shall receive the crown of life given to all those that love Christ.

Jesus said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law until all is fulfilled.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

But Jesus did not fulfill all the law yet,which must be done on earth,for He still has to fulfill the law of being perfect King on earth,which is what the millennial reign of Christ is about,Jesus fulfilling the role of perfect King on earth,and after the millennial reign then heaven and earth shall pass away,and there will be a new heaven and a new earth,where sin has never been and sin will never be,and the former earth shall not be remembered,nor come to mind,for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

People that think the millennial reign is not on earth with Jesus physically ruling is wrong for Jesus must rule on earth,for the law must be fulfilled on earth,and He is the perfect High Priest,saint,Prophet,sacrifice,and whatever He had to fulfill,and He is King now,but He must fulfill the role of King on earth to fulfill the law,then heaven and earth shall pass away.

They say there are 600 physical laws,but I do not think Jesus had to fulfill those,but had to fulfill the laws of love,moral laws,that they did not have the power to completely obey because the Spirit was not given,and that is why God gave them physical laws that they did have the power to keep,so if they had the power to keep the physical laws then why would Jesus have to fulfill them,but they did not have the power to keep the spiritual laws perfectly,so Jesus had to fulfill them,for we only have access to heaven by obeying love God,and love people,the spiritual laws,and the physical ordinances were contrary to us for they had no bearing on spiritual salvation,so Jesus only had to fulfill the law that had to do with spiritual laws that no person could keep perfectly.

 

[Deade]

You said it MattforJesus, until the Kingdom of God is set up on earth all is not fulfilled. Matt. 5:18: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

I keep the seventh day Sabbath. I keep the clean meat ordinances. Why? Because Jesus is the One who established them. And He does not change (Heb. 13:6). All the law was good for us, even if it condemned us. We are no longer condemned, so delight in the Sabbath.

 

[Deade]

Duplicate post.. just disregard.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you read the OP, both of you, you would know.

So what happened with animal sacrifice?

It was fulfilled.

Which means Christians no longer do it or are required to do it because the Lord Jesus Fulfilled All the Law just like He said.

Same with the rest of the law.

Not one jot or one tittle will fall until ALL is fulfilled.

Its all or nothing. You can't just decide that some of it is fulfilled while some of it remains unfulfilled.

Otherwise, you sort of believe the Lord but maybe not all that He says.

 

[JaumeJ]

The aobve post is to you and Chester.

Grandpa, you have not read my op.....yet you respond.? Only a fool responds without hearing the question Prov.

So what happened with animal sacrifice?

It was fulfilled.

Which means Christians no longer do it or are required to do it because the Lord Jesus Fulfilled All the Law just like He said.

Same with the rest of the law.

Not one jot or one tittle will fall until ALL is fulfilled.

Its all or nothing. You can't just decide that some of it is fulfilled while some of it remains unfulfilled.

Otherwise, you sort of believe the Lord but maybe not all that He says.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is He not our example? Do we pick and choose how we WANT to follow His Example? He obeyed and He was never under the law, so should we. We obey all of the law that remain because it hands on the two laws of love........

JESUS would not do those things and HE paid for sin On our behalf,so under GRACE the Issue now Is faith and not condemnation for those who believe In the WORD of GOD.

Grace does not teach a person to want to sin anyway.

JESUS the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the Vine and displaying spiritual fruit establishing the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is very sad the so many in the thread are posting their own perceived problems with the OP without having read it.


If they have read the OP and yet have these conflicts, they apparently do not understand what it says.

 

[Gabriel2020]

God stopped the sacrifices among the Israelites long before Jesus came. The offerings as well. Why?their hearts were no longer in them. They became traditional among the Israelites. The other nations had no knowledge of these sacrifices or the laws. He did not abolish the laws or sacrifices,but rather he banned the Israelites from performing them. They were not true to heart. They were pretenders. The only sacrifice that was no longer needed was the sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Jesus took that responsibility.. Notice when the apostles talked about foods offered to idols, well false gods they were. offering foods to the most high was not sin.. They are robbing God by not bringing the first fruits before him as Abel did. They keep the best for themselves and give away or sell the lest of what they do not want.

 

[Chester]

The aobve post is to you and Chester.

Grandpa, you have not read my op.....yet you respond.? Only a fool responds without hearing the question Prov.

You are right, I had not read your OP - and reading it was helpful.

However, if you look at my posts I was answering other people's posts, and not directly answering or discussing the OP.

Reading your OP leads me to ask this:

Do you feel their are parts of the law that are not fulfilled and thus are applicable and should be kept today? You seem to be hinting at this when your write: "There are over 600 laws, the majority of which no longer apply because Jesus has fulfilled them."

And then if there are part of the law that still apply today:
(1) What are these parts of the Law that still apply today?
(2) How do you differentiate what parts still apply and what parts do not?

So you don't have to guess why I ask, here is my view: I believe that all of the Law is fulfilled. The NT does not break the Law down into different categories of civil, moral, or ceremonial. I do not believe any of the Law still applies in the sense that it did for the nation of Israel. So, for example, the 10 commandments are not a list of rules we must live by today. They are fulfilled (but not abolished or destroyed, or irrelevant). The sacrificial laws are fulfilled, but not abolished or destroyed or irrelevant! The OT is for our learning and growth and is the foundation for the principles of the NT; but it is never in any case a rulebook we must do for merit.
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[JaumeJ]

All of the law is fulfilled, the laws cited in the OP and all laws on morality for those who have come to Jesus Christ in Spirit and truth. This signifies that just as with David, the guilt of our transgressions is no longer held agains us, unless we willfully sin and live in that life, a life of sin.

We obey our Father because of Love.........He is aware of all of our faults, and He overlooks them while He is completing the work He began in eaach of us.

But, do not say that the laws that constitute love are finished or not to be obeyed, for this is teaching against the lws that are in effect.

There are many people, even in this thread who are attempting to spirit believers away from their show of gratitude to the Father by trying to obey, even though we all know we cannot perfect ourselves the Father is overjoyed when we do pay attention to His will and His ways...........

No one can say they are saved if they do not love Jesus Christ, adn when we love Jesus we also do our best to be just as He.

Yes, there are poeple who deny what Jesus teaches to all men..........the Jew firt and then the Greek.

 

[JaumeJ]

From Paul we are taught that there is but One Mediator between man and God, Jesus C¨hrist. We all know this when we are saved and Jesus comes to dwell in our hearts, but most of you are not giving credence to the truth and reality that although we are saved and the guilt of our transgressions is not held agaist any of us, we still need our Mediator at all times.

This is because we yet transgress, albeit oftenwe are not aware and it is in very small ways, but we do. Yes, the law is fulfilled in all believers because of and by the Lamb of God, but do not say it is an excuse to willfully live in sin, for this is not the way we have come to learn, not the manner in which any of us should conduct ourselves. Do not say the law is abolished because you know that is a ie. Jesus tells us not to teach against it.

 

[Troubled65]

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• All of the Temple laws? Done away.
• Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
• Clean laws? Done away.
• The Priesthood? Done away.
• Tithing? Done away.
• Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments

But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8​

I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but Paul did tell us that we do not make void the law through faith, but as we walk in the Spirit, we will be fulfilling the law and the prophets.

You are correct in that Christ fulfilled the law. He took it out of "the way" , nailing it to His cross. However, if we walk in love, we will not be violating the law. Though we are not attempting to keep it. All of this glory belongs to Christ Spirit, and not to our flesh. Amen!

 

[JaumeJ]

Psa 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold Wondrous things out of thy law.

The above is not something passed, but it will never be reality and truth to the spiritually dead.