Elaboration on Christ Fulfilling the Waw

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JaumeJ

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Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Fulfillment of the law does not mean abolishing the law,otherwise our Master (Teacher, Rabboni), would have not said He fulfills the law.

To understand the law after our Lord's advent, we must study the law first, then hear His teaing as regarding the law.

There are over 600 laws, the majority of which no longer apply because Jesus has fulfiled them.

The vast majority of the law, having been already fulfilled by Jesus Christ, may be overlooked except for purposes of understanding why our Lord has come and why He is desperately needed by all.

All of the Temple laws, disregard! Why? Jesus is the Chief and the Cornerstone of the Tmple, while we who believe Him are the living stones of the Temple. As Jesus has taught, He will return to rebuild His Temple, thuis this tells me a lot about what He was saying when He teaches about the Temple that before He returns there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Laws of sacrifice? There is no sacrifice for sin since that of the Lamb of God however if we wish to offer a freewill sacrifice we have but one election, and that choice is the offering and sacrifice of thanksgiving to our Maker. Thistells me just what I am, receiving and yet my thanksgiving is deemed a scrifice.....what a wretched soul I am

Clean laws. The Holy Spirit should tell all it is obvious nothing is clean unless God makes it clean. Jesus Christ declared all foods cleantwo times at least. Once when He taught nothing by entering the body defiles it, rather it is what is containe in the heart and proceeds from it, murders, coveting, and so much more. Jesus Christ has made all who call upon Him clean in the eys of God....... Eat what you must but always sanctify your food with thanksgiving.

The Priesthood? If you do not know Christ is the High Priest and we are made priests, then all the above means nothing to you.......The laws of Levitical Priesthood cannot be met for they have been fulfilled. We may refer to them though for the mysteries God mah have in them

Tithing? Is sthere a theocratical land called Israel which we may contribut to in order for the Priesthood the widows and orphns and all other welfare issues must be met? Then we cannot tithe as is delineated in the Word, but we are fee always to help the poor and make certain any preachers are cared for for you are not to muzzle the ox while it is treading out the wheat, nor are we to deny the worker his wages.

The laws requiring the death penalty by hanging in a tree, stoning etc. is no longer for our Blessed Lord desire mercy in the law.

God haspurposely given us some laws that ought not be. Many times when one is not a believer and he reads these laws, he makes God guilty in his own mind as being unfair, not knowing the enightment of His Son Who loves him So it is with many misguided believers who think God wanted men killing men. Think about the lessons of theWord, how although David theKing, was not allowed to build the Temple because David had blood guilt from conguering and gatherin his KIngdom. Does this make any snese to you since God commanded David to follow that course? It does to me,because it is an object lesson for all mankind. God love and will always love David

If you have managed toread all of this, I believe from here you will know how the law is still to be obeye,but thel laws remaining are natural and a joy to the renewed person you must be.

God bless all in Jesus Christ.....j
 
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  • All of the Temple laws? Done away.
  • Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
  • Clean laws? Done away.
  • The Priesthood? Done away.
  • Tithing? Done away.
  • Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments

But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8
 

JaumeJ

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Judging by the content of ths post, you have not read or understood the OP because you are repeating much of what is in it.



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  • All of the Temple laws? Done away.
  • Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
  • Clean laws? Done away.
  • The Priesthood? Done away.
  • Tithing? Done away.
  • Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments
But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8
 

mailmandan

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  • All of the Temple laws? Done away.
  • Laws of sacrifice? Done away.
  • Clean laws? Done away.
  • The Priesthood? Done away.
  • Tithing? Done away.
  • Ten commandments? Done away.

There's only one thing that was written in stone - the 10 commandments
But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:7-8
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenantnot of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
 

Cee

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Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Fulfillment of the law does not mean abolishing the law,otherwise our Master (Teacher, Rabboni), would have not said He fulfills the law.

To understand the law after our Lord's advent, we must study the law first, then hear His teaing as regarding the law.

There are over 600 laws, the majority of which no longer apply because Jesus has fulfiled them.

The vast majority of the law, having been already fulfilled by Jesus Christ, may be overlooked except for purposes of understanding why our Lord has come and why He is desperately needed by all.

All of the Temple laws, disregard! Why? Jesus is the Chief and the Cornerstone of the Tmple, while we who believe Him are the living stones of the Temple. As Jesus has taught, He will return to rebuild His Temple, thuis this tells me a lot about what He was saying when He teaches about the Temple that before He returns there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Laws of sacrifice? There is no sacrifice for sin since that of the Lamb of God however if we wish to offer a freewill sacrifice we have but one election, and that choice is the offering and sacrifice of thanksgiving to our Maker. Thistells me just what I am, receiving and yet my thanksgiving is deemed a scrifice.....what a wretched soul I am

Clean laws. The Holy Spirit should tell all it is obvious nothing is clean unless God makes it clean. Jesus Christ declared all foods cleantwo times at least. Once when He taught nothing by entering the body defiles it, rather it is what is containe in the heart and proceeds from it, murders, coveting, and so much more. Jesus Christ has made all who call upon Him clean in the eys of God....... Eat what you must but always sanctify your food with thanksgiving.

The Priesthood? If you do not know Christ is the High Priest and we are made priests, then all the above means nothing to you.......The laws of Levitical Priesthood cannot be met for they have been fulfilled. We may refer to them though for the mysteries God mah have in them

Tithing? Is sthere a theocratical land called Israel which we may contribut to in order for the Priesthood the widows and orphns and all other welfare issues must be met? Then we cannot tithe as is delineated in the Word, but we are fee always to help the poor and make certain any preachers are cared for for you are not to muzzle the ox while it is treading out the wheat, nor are we to deny the worker his wages.

The laws requiring the death penalty by hanging in a tree, stoning etc. is no longer for our Blessed Lord desire mercy in the law.

God haspurposely given us some laws that ought not be. Many times when one is not a believer and he reads these laws, he makes God guilty in his own mind as being unfair, not knowing the enightment of His Son Who loves him So it is with many misguided believers who think God wanted men killing men. Think about the lessons of theWord, how although David theKing, was not allowed to build the Temple because David had blood guilt from conguering and gatherin his KIngdom. Does this make any snese to you since God commanded David to follow that course? It does to me,because it is an object lesson for all mankind. God love and will always love David

If you have managed toread all of this, I believe from here you will know how the law is still to be obeye,but thel laws remaining are natural and a joy to the renewed person you must be.

God bless all in Jesus Christ.....j
Are you alive or dead to the law?

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
 

Gabriel2020

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Yes, you died, but the law did not die. that mean that you are no longer a part of being under the curse of the law where all that have not come to Christ Jesus.
 

JaumeJ

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I am with Jesus Christ on the law. The law ahs no effect on me other than to instruct.

Are you saying you may kill and lie, and cheat and covet and more evil that this with impunity? Jesus was obedient unto death. It is apparent you cannot grasp the teaching that was availed to the firdt believers in Jesus. They had the disciples and the teachings of the fulfillment of the law and the prophets of the Old Testament by our Lord, Jesus..




Are you alive or dead to the law?

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
 

Ahwatukee

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Are you saying you may kill and lie, and cheat and covet and more evil that this with impunity?
Is someone who is in Christ and led by the Spirit going to kill, lie, cheat and covet? We're under a new covenant JaumeJ. And if we fall into any of those mentioned, then if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Those who are truly in Christ and led by the Spirit are not going to be living according to the sinful nature. Not being under the law does not mean we have Cart Blanche to sin.

We are completely free from the Law because Christ fulfilled it on our behalf. In the same way, the wrath of God no longer rests upon us because Christ experienced God's wrath on every believers behalf. Same principle.
 

Gabriel2020

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The law of the spirit is that same law of the letter. The difference is that they are written on our hearts as we have received the spirit of God. The laws in our heart makes us do what is right. The laws written by the letter was to a people who had not the Holy Spirit because of disobedience .That is what put them under the curse of the law, because they walked in the flesh and could not see spiritual things. They rejected God and the law because they were worldly people.
 

Gabriel2020

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Amen, that same law written on our hearts, because we have a Holy Spirit.
 

mailmandan

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Not being under the law does not mean we have Cart Blanche to sin.
The Old Covenant law was a unit of some 613 commands. The natural reading of Ephesians 2:14,15 and Colossians 2:14 would see that the entire Old Covenant written code was nailed to the cross, including the Ten Commandments (with all the rules and regulations attached to them under the Mosaic Law) which were the center point of the Old Covenant (Exodus 34:29-34).

*Although the moral principles of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, so there is no Cart Blanche to sin.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

We are completely free from the Law because Christ fulfilled it on our behalf. In the same way, the wrath of God no longer rests upon us because Christ experienced God's wrath on every believers behalf. Same principle.
Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
 
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When believers walk in the holy spirit they will

  1. not love anything more than GOD
  2. not conceive false ideas of GOD in their carnal minds
  3. not yield to and serve the longings of their flesh and carnal minds
  4. not honor GOD's name, yet live contrary to his will
  5. rest their souls and remain holy by acknowledging GOD in all their ways and ceasing from the works of the flesh
  6. honor their parents
  7. not kill
  8. not commit adultery
  9. not steal
  10. not bear false witness
  11. not covet things of this world
 
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The law of the spirit is that same law of the letter. The difference is that they are written on our hearts as we have received the spirit of God. The laws in our heart makes us do what is right. The laws written by the letter was to a people who had not the Holy Spirit because of disobedience .That is what put them under the curse of the law, because they walked in the flesh and could not see spiritual things. They rejected God and the law because they were worldly people.
There is no such thing as the law of the letter. The law of Moses is the letter.
 

JaumeJ

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Hail, hail the gang is all here.

I have given my report and it is true that the law has no effect on me, nor has it any effecgt on any who are truly believers of Jesus Christ.

The Law has no effect on us because the curse of the law is defeated, that being death.

All who are here to condemn me for believing Jesus Christ has not destroyed the law, have a good time with your bon fire, but if you are not going to learn of God....He is Who has freed those who cleave to Jesus christ from the curse of the law, you are not going to believe anyone who learns from Him directly, and that would be all who truly believe Jesus Chrit.

Tos say Jesus Christ has destroyed the law is calling Jesus Christ a liar. To say you know fulfilling, ending, completeing the law is destroying the law also is an unlearned untruth.

Jeus has fulfilled the law and the prophets. The OP explains just howso, yet it is rejected as beingunder the law.

The Maker of all that is is not stupid nor is He mistaken, nor is He just fooling around when He gives us teh law according to teh teaching of Jesus christ.

In short, lighten up on you inferences.
 

Gabriel2020

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Keep reading,you'll run across it sooner or later.
 

JaumeJ

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There are several right here who do not see that the "letter" of the law is no longer, however the Spirit of Jesus Christ Who dwells in all who have received Him know the laws that for love that also happen to be written for us to see and lear lots from. Some have prophesy, such as the law of planting your field, some show mercy.

Do not say you love and denyi those laws that hang on the laws of love for they are contained therein. If you have the Holy Spirit dwelling within, you know thiss is true. If you do not you still have not heard Jesus christ's teaching and followed His example for He is Love.

Many of you are boasting you have already mad it as being perfected.........I boast God is perfecting me and all who blieve and will finish that work which He began in us on His day. Obey God, that is obey Jesus Christ, Yeshua.
 

mailmandan

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There are those who like to argue that if Jesus did not "abolish" the law, then it must still be binding (Matthew 5:17). According to that logic, such components as the seventh-day Sabbath requirement must still be operative and binding on the Church under the New Covenant, along with other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of the passage.

Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrews 8:13 etc..).

Christ came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill. Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment and Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a "curse" (Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to believers today under the New Covenant as it did to Israel under the Old Covenant, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today under the New Covenant.
 

Gabriel2020

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Moses did not write these laws, he just put them on paper. The old testament always said; say to the people, tell the people., instruct the people to do this and that. you cannot miss that.
 

Grandpa

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Matthew 5:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So its ok to disregard "temple" laws?
Its ok to disregard "sacrifice" laws?
Its ok to disregard "clean" laws?

Well the Lord didn't say He was going to fulfill "some" of the law. He said until ALL IS FULFILLED.

So if you can disregard one jot or one tittle then in the same way you can disregard all jots and tittles.

There is for sure a spiritual lesson we can learn from all the jots and tittles because they were all based on the spirit to begin with.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 

JaumeJ

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If you believe the law is DEAD, then you believe the Prophets are DEAD.

What the prophets said of Jesus Christ is forever true, and so it is of the Law as revealed by Jesus christ.

Now, you tell me what is wrong if I consult the laws God gave us to learn of prophesy, wisdom and udnerstanding not to mention the advent of Jesus?

There are too many here all too willing to find fault in believing Jesus christ. When He says He is not destoying the law but fulfilling it know that He is doing just that. No man, not group of men will ever change this.

Please do not offend the Holy Spirit by saying the law He has put in our inward parts is dead.........You know yourselves there is example of a believer a brother sinning unawares......take it from there and learn what you claim you have studied.