Who Is Jesus Referring To "Has The Greater Sin"?

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Who has the greater sin than Pilate?

“Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:10*-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.10-11.NLT
 

Yahshua

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Who has the greater sin than Pilate?

“Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:10*-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.10-11.NLT
The mob lead by the religious leaders who placed false accusations on him.
 

JohnRH

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Who has the greater sin than Pilate?

“Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:10*-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.10-11.NLT
Probably Caiaphas the Jewish high priest. (John 18:13, 14, 24, 28, 29) He had the most responsibility.
Under Roman law the Jews couldn't execute anyone so they had to deliver Jesus to Pilot the Roman governor. Only Pilate could pronounce the death penalty; but the Jews, under Caiaphas, twisted his arm politically so he would do what they demanded.
 
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Probably Caiaphas the Jewish high priest. (John 18:13, 14, 24, 28, 29) He had the most responsibility.
Under Roman law the Jews couldn't execute anyone so they had to deliver Jesus to Pilot the Roman governor. Only Pilate could pronounce the death penalty; but the Jews, under Caiaphas, twisted his arm politically so he would do what they demanded.
I think you are right. Caiaphas was the one pushing to kill Jesus.
 
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Who has the greater sin than Pilate?

“Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:10*-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.10-11.NLT
All of the commentaries I read agree with this concise statement from Albert Barnes commentary...
" He that delivered me. The singular here is put for the plural, including Judas, the high-priests, and the Sanhedrin. "
 
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All of the commentaries I read agree with this concise statement from Albert Barnes commentary...
" He that delivered me. The singular here is put for the plural, including Judas, the high-priests, and the Sanhedrin. "
Robertson Word Pictures doesn't mention a plural:

Hath greater sin (μειζονα αμαρτιαν εχει — meizona hamartian echei). The same idiom in John 9:41. Caiaphas has his authority from God also and has used Pilate for his own base end.
 
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Back then they were not yet under grace but they were under law,those trying to keep the law were keeping It In word but not In truth,In other words the jews would say something like,I’m glad I’m not like that guy over there but JESUS magnified the law from just keeping up appearances so to speak to the Inward man where you find the truth,GOD looks at the heart and those Pharisees were keeping the law outwardly In word but on the Inside they were more guilty than the gentiles who were breaking the law Inwardly AND outwardly so then those under law were keeping the law as far as what people saw but they were doing the same things the gentiles were doing from GOD’s perspective so then the jewish Pharisees were more guilty.
 

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in the clause "therefore the one having delivered me has greater sin" everything in the grammar is singular.

but follow the conversation, Pilate wants only to beat & humiliate Him then release Him, but the Jewish leaders and the crowd are insistent. Pilate is looking for an 'out' because it is his responsibility both to maintain civil peace and to administer justice, but he finds Christ innocent. he is looking to Jesus to give him something to refute the charges, but Jesus does not answer Him.

'will you not even answer me? don't you know i have authority to free or to crucify you?'

Jesus answers this: Pilate would have no authority if it wasn't given to him from heaven - therefore the one who delivered me is guilty of greater sin. the 'therefore' tells us that 'who delivered has greater sin' is the logical consequence of 'your authority was given to you' -- it's not a standalone statement; it's the conclusion of a chain of conversation and the direct implication of the fact that any authority Pilate has was given to him, ultimately from heaven.

Pilate's implication is that Christ's refusal to answer the charges against Him is irrational, and in a sense, 'sin' given the predicament they face. 'why don't you answer? your life is in the balance'
Christ answers this implied charge though He doesn't answer the formal criminal charges. He addresses Pilate's own objection, but not what the Jews find objectionable in Him, and does so by using the predicament itself to teach Pilate: Pilate didn't go out and arrest Jesus, and he didn't seek to have Him delivered, but Jesus was delivered to Pilate by others - through Judas, through the Sanhedrin, through Caiphas -- but those who delivered Him to Pilate did not deliver Him with evidence of guilt - because He has no guilt, it is impossible that they did - but they delivered Him nonetheless.

Pilate is expressing that it is wrong for Christ not to answer the charges, and Christ corrects him with that the false witness of those who delivered Him is a greater sin than refusing to answer false witness. authority was given to Pilate from above, rightly, and Christ was delivered to Pilate from below, wrongly. Pilate faces a conundrum because he is being coerced to condemn Christ unjustly and he thinks of Jesus' silence as exacerbating this; the 'one' from below who falsely accuses is guilty of putting Pilate in this position, sinning both against Pilate and against the falsely accused, but what guilt does the innocent one have if He doesn't speak for Himself against every false witness brought against Him?

So though they are speaking in particular about particular people, they are also speaking philosophically about the truth. a plural body of people may be implied, but the language is in the singular case - in the same way that authority was given to Pilate and didn't originate with him, the blasphemy against Christ originated outside the people who carried it out. authority came from above, and sin came from below: you may identify Judas as having been the ((singular)) one who literally delivered Jesus ((though no one has power to actually offer the Lamb, but He offers Himself)) -- but remember that "Satan entered into him" that is, entered into Judas. nowhere else, ever, has it been recorded Satan himself entering a person, so here is your ((singular)) origin of guilt, the evil one, from below. are the rest who participated absolved of guilt? of course not - but just as the one who teaches another to sin is more guilty than the one who practices the sin they were taught, so the singular case of the conversation can be understood by this.
 
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Herod, who was himself a pawn of Rome, had his own pawns installed in the Jewish priesthood. By the first century the election of the High Priest was more political than religious. The Romans wanted the priesthood to support their occupation, and the Herods made sure their desire was carried out. However, it would be unfair to categorize all of the priesthood as sympathetic to Rome. Some did support rebellion against Rome, but those at the highest levels were undoubtedly in Rome's back pocket.
 

DustyRhodes

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Jesus might be referring to Judas, although Judas did not directly
turn Jesus over to Pilate, indeed he started the process.
 
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The High Priest.....the proverbial "buck stops here" ultimately rests with those in charge.......as the head of the Jewish Sanhedrin he was ultimately the final authority when it came to Jesus being handed over....!
 

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It is Caiaphas!
As the High Priest, he was the prime mover in getting Jesus crucified.

"[FONT=&quot]65 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy![/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]66 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]What do you think?”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]They answered and said, “He is deserving of death.” Matt 26:65-66[/FONT]


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Lewiz

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Nearly all of the Sanhedrin agreed to do this, But Caiaphas had the greater sin, because:
1. He was in charge & had to give the order.
2.Luke 12
47“And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

Caiaphas had been given the most, therefore he had the greater sin.
 
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Who has the greater sin than Pilate?

“Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above. So the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:10*-‬11 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.19.10-11.NLT
Jesus teaches us that nothing can happen to a Believer unless it passes through God's fingers first. Next we learn that some sins are greater.
 

Gabriel2020

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According to the authority we have in Jesus,we can turn abelieving sinner over to Satan to teach him a lesson. And that means putting him in the hands of the unjust.
 
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According to the authority we have in Jesus,we can turn abelieving sinner over to Satan to teach him a lesson. And that means putting him in the hands of the unjust.
Please note: Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it (Lamentations 3:37)?
 
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Very good thread! I have always thought it was Judas but am finding all the different inputs here extremely thought-provoking.
 

Gabriel2020

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The one that has the greater sin is the one that knows what is right and don't do it.
 

MarcR

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It seems to me that if we really believe that Jesus died for our sins then each of us who are forgiven are as responsible as the men God used as instruments to accomplish what needed to be done.