Healing through the Son

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Angela53510

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This is an encouragement for me to read and post again.
Thank you for putting it this way.

I didn’t like the article, because you still need to post links or at least a by-line. (That is, who wrote it!) If you wrote it yourself, that would be great. But, since you so often miss the link, or who wrote it, you have become like the little boy who cried wolf. When you actually do write a post, I tend to judge it on the many posts that were by someone else, and you did not mention it. So, if this is your own words, I thank you for that. Although I still disagree strongly with the theology!

But, this helps me a lot, seeing you moving towards real clarity, by correctly using words.
 

BenFTW

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Ben has every right to give his opinion about healthy eating. He has made no claim to being a doctor nor does he have to be a doctor to give his opinion here on healthy eating habits. We all have equal footing here on these forums and we each can give our opinions freely as long as they are not anti Christ and certainly I have not seen that here at all.

Ben., by all means give your opinions and share your views on healthy eating as well as Bible understanding. Your opinions and views are just as valuable as anyones. If it is not welcome on someone else's thread, it is most welcome on mine. I will take your advice or leave it as I hope you will do the same with mine. Keep up the good words and good posts. :)
I need to take a breath before posting today. Do you ever get in that feeling of being tired of people's... shenanigans (haha it started with sh, LOL)? I just don't get it. Whether it is the enemy at work or people just being ignorant, I don't know. Sigh.
 

Angela53510

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No surprise there. As for dispensing medical advice, a suggestion of eating healthier and making a correlation between diet and health is sound. Its common sense. For the record, people have reversed the symptoms of auto-immune diseases, and have shown no sign of the issue afterwards, having made a change in dietary consumption (such as eliminating lectins).

Look up Dr. Gundry MD.

I swear you people attack everything I say. :rolleyes:
Do you seriously think that after 21 years with RA, etc, I haven’t tried every diet on the market? The only thing that affects me, seems to be gluten. I just got tested for Celiac’s another auto-immune disease.

No, diet is not going to cure my RA. But, perhaps I will not have any more stomach issues, and be able to process foods, when I am fully back on the Celiac’s diet.

And giving a Dr.’s name, and then saying follow him, is tantamount to dispensing medical advice. I would not say he is recommending a healthy diet for most people. But, I find it ironical that I am either allergic to, don’t like or don’t use all the things on his do NOT list, and his “do” list is my breakfast, lunch and dinner. I haven’t had milk in years, allergic to nightshades, I can’t stand lentils, which is weird for a vegetarian, haven’t used red kidney beans in years, because I cannot find the seeds to grow them. So, now I won’t be growing them.

I think if anyone knows a bit about nutrition and listens nto their body, they will end up eating healthy. Well, except I having to go back to gluten to be tested was a major step backwards.

I do get sick and tired of people telling me how I can be healed, whether through false doctrine, foods, use essential oils or apple cider vinegar, or the most unhelpful, useless piece of advice ever - go off your meds, they are causing the issue. I’ve been off my meds once for surgery, and several times for bad med failures. One lasted 2 years, and during that time I acquired all kinds of new deformities, plus now I have chronic pain, which I did not before. I cannot move or get out of bed if I am not on meds. I have flares in 100 joints. I am so grateful for good meds, that keep me going. That’s my life, stop thinking you know more about a disease that I have been living with for 21 years. Believe me, I have tried it all!

Your internet research is not a degree in medicine, you are dispensing medical advice, Ben. Well, if you just told everyone to eat healthy, that would be fine. And good!

But when you start giving names of doctors, with specific diets, in fact, that is dispensing medical advice. I hope you see the distinction.
 

joaniemarie

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I need to take a breath before posting today. Do you ever get in that feeling of being tired of people's... shenanigans (haha it started with sh, LOL)? I just don't get it. Whether it is the enemy at work or people just being ignorant, I don't know. Sigh.
Yes., a lot can get mixed up here and lost in translation. I try not to get suspicious about "shenanigans" because everyone is so suspicious around here already. :) I think people can easily get confused on a chat site and it's best not to take offence when people disagree with our beliefs. It's NORMAL to not agree 100% with everyone. I was married for over 27 yrs and didn't agree with my husband all the time and vs/vs. Why do people on a chat site think we are going to agree on everything?
 

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Do you seriously think that after 21 years with RA, etc, I haven’t tried every diet on the market? The only thing that affects me, seems to be gluten. I just got tested for Celiac’s another auto-immune disease.

No, diet is not going to cure my RA. But, perhaps I will not have any more stomach issues, and be able to process foods, when I am fully back on the Celiac’s diet.

And giving a Dr.’s name, and then saying follow him, is tantamount to dispensing medical advice. I would not say he is recommending a healthy diet for most people. But, I find it ironical that I am either allergic to, don’t like or don’t use all the things on his do NOT list, and his “do” list is my breakfast, lunch and dinner. I haven’t had milk in years, allergic to nightshades, I can’t stand lentils, which is weird for a vegetarian, haven’t used red kidney beans in years, because I cannot find the seeds to grow them. So, now I won’t be growing them.

I think if anyone knows a bit about nutrition and listens nto their body, they will end up eating healthy. Well, except I having to go back to gluten to be tested was a major step backwards.

I do get sick and tired of people telling me how I can be healed, whether through false doctrine, foods, use essential oils or apple cider vinegar, or the most unhelpful, useless piece of advice ever - go off your meds, they are causing the issue. I’ve been off my meds once for surgery, and several times for bad med failures. One lasted 2 years, and during that time I acquired all kinds of new deformities, plus now I have chronic pain, which I did not before. I cannot move or get out of bed if I am not on meds. I have flares in 100 joints. I am so grateful for good meds, that keep me going. That’s my life, stop thinking you know more about a disease that I have been living with for 21 years. Believe me, I have tried it all!

Your internet research is not a degree in medicine, you are dispensing medical advice, Ben. Well, if you just told everyone to eat healthy, that would be fine. And good!

But when you start giving names of doctors, with specific diets, in fact, that is dispensing medical advice. I hope you see the distinction.
I am not giving YOU medical advice, I simply am giving you a reference for what I stated (about the reversal of symptoms through lectin avoidance). You can look into it if you'd like, but I am making sure you understand the distinction. Telling you to follow this way of eating is different from me stating the result of people who ate in such a manner. You do you. lol
 

joaniemarie

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Thank you for putting it this way.

I didn’t like the article, because you still need to post links or at least a by-line. (That is, who wrote it!) If you wrote it yourself, that would be great. But, since you so often miss the link, or who wrote it, you have become like the little boy who cried wolf. When you actually do write a post, I tend to judge it on the many posts that were by someone else, and you did not mention it. So, if this is your own words, I thank you for that. Although I still disagree strongly with the theology!

But, this helps me a lot, seeing you moving towards real clarity, by correctly using words.

Sorry Angela., I was not refering to you in that post and my clarity is just as it always was. I posted before I even saw your post. I was reposting again about how we are each going through issues in our lives and we do not all go through the same thing in the same way. You and your experiences are not mine and vs/vs. Ben sharing what he knows is not a personal admonishment to you. He is only sharing what has helped him and the doctor that he liked. Not anything wrong with that.

I have my own beliefs about healing from the Bible and I also have my own opinions about eating that may not line up with yours or anyone else's and that is OK. There is nothing wrong with that and on a chat site we can take or leave what others say but we cannot tell them what to say or not to say. You don't have that right. You're not Robo the owner of the site. You can write your opinions about your experiences but they apply only to you and your unique situation.

You can't tell Ben to stop sharing here for instance. You don't have any right to tell anyone what they can or cannot share here. I like what Ben shares and I don't want him to stop sharing in the unique ways he does. He is a blessing to many of us here on cc.

So I will admonish you again to agree to disagree and realize there are many many different Christians here all with differing views and experiences. We all share and we all are valuable.
 
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I agree what the general populace is told to believe is a healthy diet may not be the case, grains come to my mind.

I have people in my family who went into remission from a severe bout of colitis (another auto immune disease) by following a strict Paleo diet.

They really did do their research and I do believe that God does guide us in that search for understanding.

Yup you do seem to have a bulls eye on your avatar, although I do not see it.:confused:


No surprise there. As for dispensing medical advice, a suggestion of eating healthier and making a correlation between diet and health is sound. Its common sense. For the record, people have reversed the symptoms of auto-immune diseases, and have shown no sign of the issue afterwards, having made a change in dietary consumption (such as eliminating lectins).

Look up Dr. Gundry MD.

I swear you people attack everything I say. :rolleyes:
 

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I swear you people attack everything I say. :rolleyes:
It's the hat people hate the hat . I have one just like it and get flack for it all the time.
Blessings
Bill
 

Angela53510

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Sorry Angela., I was not refering to you in that post and my clarity is just as it always was. I posted before I even saw your post. I was reposting again about how we are each going through issues in our lives and we do not all go through the same thing in the same way. You and your experiences are not mine and vs/vs. Ben sharing what he knows is not a personal admonishment to you. He is only sharing what has helped him and the doctor that he liked. Not anything wrong with that.

I have my own beliefs about healing from the Bible and I also have my own opinions about eating that may not line up with yours or anyone else's and that is OK. There is nothing wrong with that and on a chat site we can take or leave what others say but we cannot tell them what to say or not to say. You don't have that right. You're not Robo the owner of the site. You can write your opinions about your experiences but they apply only to you and your unique situation.

You can't tell Ben to stop sharing here for instance. You don't have any right to tell anyone what they can or cannot share here. I like what Ben shares and I don't want him to stop sharing in the unique ways he does. He is a blessing to many of us here on cc.

So I will admonish you again to agree to disagree and realize there are many many different Christians here all with differing views and experiences. We all share and we all are valuable.

Our body types are all different. You may need to eat differently than me. But if you feel good about what you are eating, it would be wrong for me to say otherwise,

When my my oldest son was a toddler, till School age, I fed him well balanced vegetarian meals. I balanced amino acids, very healthy, organic foods. I would visit my parents and they would feed him meat. Lots of meat. He would eat it like he was starving. So, I continued to eat vegetarian, but made meat meals for him and my husband. My son grew up to be healthy,hardly ever sick. He was an ectomorph, I am a mesomorph. My husband is like me, after he got diabetes, I went back to a mostly meat free diet for him. He still grills the occasional steak, once or twice a year, but he has stayed stable for 10 years.

Really no one should be telling someone else how to eat. That should be between us and our doctor.I have not seen you offer advice about eating, Joanie. But Ben has gone overboard in his lecturing everyone about what to eat. And that is not just me. If there is a target on Ben’s back, he certainly drew it with his ignorant comments!

Plus, I looked at his diet, clearly told him I eat that diet already, and it has not cleared up my RA inflammation. But he continued to lecture me that if I didn’t want to do it, then I wouldn’t be healed like the rest of the people who tried that diet. No, it does not heal my RA.

There are over 100 different kinds of Arthritis and countless other kinds of autoimmune diseases. I have a certain variety of RA, that I have only met one other person that had the same symptoms. She is a Jewish lady that lives in Chicago. There are also different causes for inflammation, even in the same person. When I started getting tendon flares 3 years ago, for the first time ever, I assumed it was RA, although none of the RA meds helped. Not even prednisone! I have so many new hand deformities, and I can barely walk from a tendon flare which damaged my knee. When I stopped eating gluten in January, it was the first time the tendon flares were gone, plus my stomach was not hurting. So that will take a while to get back into, getting the gluten out of my body. But, I’m not expecting up touch my RA, which is a different kind of inflammation.

Right now my liver is stressed, I am off 2 major meds, starting to to feel RA flares, in the joints. Seeing the doctor right away, he is going to flush one drug out of my body. Please pray to improve this situation which would be greatly appreciated.

PS. Even in double blind studies in research not everyone responds the same to different meds, or other meds. And Placebo Effect is so high, that in the original studies fot Remicade, and the end of the year trial 52% of the people who got the Placebo felt significantly better. The catch? Their hands were xrayed at the beginning of the clinical trial and at the end. The people in the Placebo group showed serious joint erosion.yet these people thought they were better. It had to go to the Ethics panel, and it was judged wrong to allow to have these people think they were improving when they weee getting worse.

Ben doesn’t begin to understand blind clinical studies. It could be done for a diet. Instead, this doctor just trots all the brainwashed “proof” that his diet works, when a good portion is likely Placebo Effect. Yet Ben continues to throw out this folksy and unscientific open non experiment, and say that he knows better than I do how to treat my disease.And you defend him.

When someone says, “We need to eat a healthy, balanced diet I agree totally. It when he tells me to read and start a experimentally unproved diet, which I am already eating, that is giving medical advice. He knows my condition, he tells me pointedly what to do, then is taken aback when I refuse to do quack nostrums, because I have experimented with every diet, and they do not stop RA, although gluten inflammation is certainly reduced! (For me, not saying for anyone else!)
 

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I am no doctor nor would I ever give medical advice. That said (LOL) a friend's wife had shingles and nothing helped her until she tried acupuncture. I know shingles and RA are different but might be worth a look.
 
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No surprise there. As for dispensing medical advice, a suggestion of eating healthier and making a correlation between diet and health is sound. Its common sense. For the record, people have reversed the symptoms of auto-immune diseases, and have shown no sign of the issue afterwards, having made a change in dietary consumption (such as eliminating lectins).
It's certainly not uncommon when you offer sound health advice that you're met with resistance and defensiveness. Having experienced this same thing, an excuse for everything can be offered. You'll find everything but the perfectly claimed upheld lifestyle and there's a thousands of self inflicted environmental factors that are contributing to current conditions where no such responsibility is taken. A lifetime of poisonous medications diluted through the brain and body alike is going to require far more than a momentary diet, it's called a lifestyle for good reason. A substantive and ongoing overhaul in the highest quality nutrition, exercise and supplements can reverse and resolve everything under the Lord's Hand.
 

joaniemarie

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Our body types are all different. You may need to eat differently than me. But if you feel good about what you are eating, it would be wrong for me to say otherwise,

When my my oldest son was a toddler, till School age, I fed him well balanced vegetarian meals. I balanced amino acids, very healthy, organic foods. I would visit my parents and they would feed him meat. Lots of meat. He would eat it like he was starving. So, I continued to eat vegetarian, but made meat meals for him and my husband. My son grew up to be healthy,hardly ever sick. He was an ectomorph, I am a mesomorph. My husband is like me, after he got diabetes, I went back to a mostly meat free diet for him. He still grills the occasional steak, once or twice a year, but he has stayed stable for 10 years.

Really no one should be telling someone else how to eat. That should be between us and our doctor.I have not seen you offer advice about eating, Joanie. But Ben has gone overboard in his lecturing everyone about what to eat. And that is not just me. If there is a target on Ben’s back, he certainly drew it with his ignorant comments!

Plus, I looked at his diet, clearly told him I eat that diet already, and it has not cleared up my RA inflammation. But he continued to lecture me that if I didn’t want to do it, then I wouldn’t be healed like the rest of the people who tried that diet. No, it does not heal my RA.

There are over 100 different kinds of Arthritis and countless other kinds of autoimmune diseases. I have a certain variety of RA, that I have only met one other person that had the same symptoms. She is a Jewish lady that lives in Chicago. There are also different causes for inflammation, even in the same person. When I started getting tendon flares 3 years ago, for the first time ever, I assumed it was RA, although none of the RA meds helped. Not even prednisone! I have so many new hand deformities, and I can barely walk from a tendon flare which damaged my knee. When I stopped eating gluten in January, it was the first time the tendon flares were gone, plus my stomach was not hurting. So that will take a while to get back into, getting the gluten out of my body. But, I’m not expecting up touch my RA, which is a different kind of inflammation.

Right now my liver is stressed, I am off 2 major meds, starting to to feel RA flares, in the joints. Seeing the doctor right away, he is going to flush one drug out of my body. Please pray to improve this situation which would be greatly appreciated.

PS. Even in double blind studies in research not everyone responds the same to different meds, or other meds. And Placebo Effect is so high, that in the original studies fot Remicade, and the end of the year trial 52% of the people who got the Placebo felt significantly better. The catch? Their hands were xrayed at the beginning of the clinical trial and at the end. The people in the Placebo group showed serious joint erosion.yet these people thought they were better. It had to go to the Ethics panel, and it was judged wrong to allow to have these people think they were improving when they weee getting worse.

Ben doesn’t begin to understand blind clinical studies. It could be done for a diet. Instead, this doctor just trots all the brainwashed “proof” that his diet works, when a good portion is likely Placebo Effect. Yet Ben continues to throw out this folksy and unscientific open non experiment, and say that he knows better than I do how to treat my disease.And you defend him.

When someone says, “We need to eat a healthy, balanced diet I agree totally. It when he tells me to read and start a experimentally unproved diet, which I am already eating, that is giving medical advice. He knows my condition, he tells me pointedly what to do, then is taken aback when I refuse to do quack nostrums, because I have experimented with every diet, and they do not stop RA, although gluten inflammation is certainly reduced! (For me, not saying for anyone else!)

????? Diet has a lot to do with how we feel and how we live no doubt. What works for some works for others and sometimes not. I have not seen anyone here tell anyone what to do. Nor did anyone tie another adult down forcing them to take "their" medicine or their advice. That is not even a possibility. If that was done to you then I could see you getting this outraged. But that has not occurred.

Tons of people come on cc all the time offering solutions and or helps to problems they went through many in hopes of helping someone else avoid what they went through. We grown ups can take the advice or leave it. We need not and actually cannot by any stretch of the imagination get angry and insulted by someone's sharing what helped them. Not sure what the problem is here. This sort of sharing will go on as long as human beings are on the planet.

Angela.., you take the advice offered or you leave it ... it's that simple. Your outrage is totally uncalled for here.
 

joaniemarie

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It's certainly not uncommon when you offer sound health advice that you're met with resistance and defensiveness. Having experienced this same thing, an excuse for everything can be offered. You'll find everything but the perfectly claimed upheld lifestyle and there's a thousands of self inflicted environmental factors that are contributing to current conditions where no such responsibility is taken. A lifetime of poisonous medications diluted through the brain and body alike is going to require far more than a momentary diet, it's called a lifestyle for good reason. A substantive and ongoing overhaul in the highest quality nutrition, exercise and supplements can reverse and resolve everything under the Lord's Hand.

Hi Laura., I agree that often times this can work because we are fearfully and wonderfully made.., but sometimes it doesn't because sin is in the world now., and that is why I believe in healing. There is no way I can possibly know all the millions and trillions of factors that have weighted into my body over the years. I could have been effected and been exposed to cancer because of my parent's 2nd hand smoke for all those years growing up. (or not) So many other germs and things you mentioned in your post.

Human life is really hanging on by what some have called the "silver cord" and it can 'break' just like that. We just don't realize how weak and frail we really are because in actuality our bodies are like the grass that is green and young and healthy one day and dried up and brittle the next.

Or like a wave in the ocean. There was a song about that how each one of us are like one of the billions and trillions and zillions of waves upon the ocean., one second we're here., the next we're not. But THANK GOD in JESUS we have a new and living HOPE.

We are not like the world without hope. We have all the hope and all the good possibilities IN Christ. We are no longer just like those in world without Christ., we are not of this world. We have Jesus the Great High Priest who went a head of us and conquered sickness, death and hell.

The rain falls on everyone but it falls always showers of blessing on us. What the world , the flesh., the devil means for evil., God can and does change for good because of Jesus. We have a daily expectation for goodness and mercy following us around all the days of our lives.

In ourselves by ourselves we are weak and without strength. But with Jesus and His Holy Spirit we have great and precious promises. We don't have to lean on statistics or double blind studies. We have Jesus in all these things and in all of them we are more than conquerors all because of Jesus.

So yes, we must and should take care of our bodies because it's a good and lovely body and a gift and a temple., we don't go jumping off buildings., we don't eat garbage., we don't live recklessly. And most importantly., we don't take on the worries or stresses of the world.... the flesh... and the devil. We have been delivered from that and we are called to claim that deliverance by faith each and every day. :)
 
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My son has colitis and his present diet absolutely saved him from terrible pain and suffering.

Clinical studies typically surround medications and treatments.

He went back to medical literature prior to the advent of huge pharmacology and looked at research that was based on looking at the cause of the disease at the macro nutrient level and gut flora.

That information made all the difference. And I know God led us there. Amen!!



It's certainly not uncommon when you offer sound health advice that you're met with resistance and defensiveness. Having experienced this same thing, an excuse for everything can be offered. You'll find everything but the perfectly claimed upheld lifestyle and there's a thousands of self inflicted environmental factors that are contributing to current conditions where no such responsibility is taken. A lifetime of poisonous medications diluted through the brain and body alike is going to require far more than a momentary diet, it's called a lifestyle for good reason. A substantive and ongoing overhaul in the highest quality nutrition, exercise and supplements can reverse and resolve everything under the Lord's Hand.
 
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Words of wisdom. Happy for you both. Thankyou Lord.

My son has colitis and his present diet absolutely saved him from terrible pain and suffering.

Clinical studies typically surround medications and treatments.

He went back to medical literature prior to the advent of huge pharmacology and looked at research that was based on looking at the cause of the disease at the macro nutrient level and gut flora.

That information made all the difference. And I know God led us there. Amen!!
 
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Ben, when you tell a 20-something that he should change his diet and exercise after he tells you he's going in for heart surgery, YES! That's unsound medical advice. If you don't want to be the target, then stop thinking you're a doctor because you follow one online.

And, honestly? Monn tells he's going in for heart surgery, Angela tells you her problems with RA, and you're whining over "why's someone always picking on me?" You have a high concept of yourself and a low concept of anyone else.
 
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I found a meme that works like Joan's copy-pastes works.

Only change is it's not TBN alone. It's all these copy-pastes from heretics. BUT, it does tell the reason "can't you just accept what I get out of the Bible is different than what you get out of it" doesn't work.


 

joaniemarie

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Seriously Depleted? This is how you relate to other adults in the world?
 

stonesoffire

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Hence the name depleted?

Sorry Lynn, but your posts are very critical.
 

BenFTW

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Ben, when you tell a 20-something that he should change his diet and exercise after he tells you he's going in for heart surgery, YES! That's unsound medical advice. If you don't want to be the target, then stop thinking you're a doctor because you follow one online.

And, honestly? Monn tells he's going in for heart surgery, Angela tells you her problems with RA, and you're whining over "why's someone always picking on me?" You have a high concept of yourself and a low concept of anyone else.
You have obviously not considered my words carefully. I did no such thing, in fact I specifically said that I didn't know his situation (so then it wouldn't necessarily apply). Joanie pointed this out I believe, or some user, that I even emphasized I didn't know the specifics to his situation. What I was saying is that we are to care for our temple. Sound advice.