Healing through the Son

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I didn't finish reading your post Angela since you go from insult after insult as if it's right to do that. The first part about your experiences are all well and good for 'you'. But as I said., not everyone rock and rolls the same. There are millions of Christians who have experienced life totally different than you or I.
I'm not sure why you believe your experiences are the only ones that count above everyone else's including mine.

God values all believers Angela. No one has the market on the whole truth of life but God. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit Who promises to lead us into all truth., but while we are here on earth., our human minds can only comprehend a small amount at a time.
And thankfully the Holy Spirit takes up for us what we can't know. I'm re posting this for clarity again. I hope you will read it.

Another whoa-is-me, so-put-upon, so-misunderstood passive plug right before bringing out the howitzer of aggressiveness, with a full blown empty-the-tub-overlaying-of-whipped-cream lies to pile it thick, yet again.

Let me translate what Wolfie said here for the new people:
"Angela, you're a big meanie. I am so much better than you are. Oh, and it really doesn't matter what you believe as long as I'm able to talk some of you ignorant, naive people into believing what I believe, because I alone only have the corner on truth. What truth? I don't know because it doesn't matter what you believe, and yet, know this -- god owes ME! He owes me because of all the chain-letters I plug onto this site."

 

[Depleted]

Joanie Marie, I watched the video. So what was your purpose in putting it here?

To talk new people into drinking the Kool Aid.

 

[Depleted]

Joanie Marie, I watched the video. So what was your purpose in putting it here?

Oh, and because every time we repost her garbage, it adds a little bit more to THAT site's reputation on Search Engines, so more and more people can find the garbage.

 

[Depleted]

Nope. What I appreciated most about this message is God is not defined by our limited human experiences but He is defined and seen today by His Son Jesus. That is the message for all things pertaining to God the Father. Look to Jesus. The reason this and other threads keep coming up is because sickness is a part of being human. We each experience the weakness of our flesh and God's word tells us how to master it as we live our lives daily here on planet earth in these earth suits.

For all the rotten and good experiences in life., they cannot and should never go before the truth of Jesus as He is revealed to us in the Bible and through the Holy Spirit. If you listen to the video that message is clear. If you believe in healing for all or not., the message is clear. All answers are found in Jesus. Answers for eternal life as well as daily living are found in Jesus.

2 Peter 1:3 [SUP]3 [/SUP]For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[SUP][a][/SUP]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).

What was this? Was this a copy-paste response too? Are you a bot?

Because if he didn't get it the first time, why repeat it, unless it's the repeating it you think earns you brownie points somehow? Or do you think if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it?

 

[Depleted]

I have to ask Blain. Is it ever the believer's fault? Now, I understand that it may not be our place to determine that specifically for another and that is between them and the Lord, but in general, does something not occur due to our disbelief?

If we look to scripture we have different examples of such, do we not? In Jesus' own home town, not many were healed. The disciples when attempting to cast out a demon could not because of their unbelief, as Jesus said (in Matthew 17:20). We see it time and again, where the reality is that some people don't believe and are called to do so. The result dependent upon their belief.

While I agree that we shouldn't go around blaming the sick, we cannot in good conscience deny God's word on the matter either. God calls us to believe, to have faith. Think about what Jesus said to those that were healed, "Your faith has made thee well", right? To deny the importance of self-responsibility in the equation of healing, not only would be unbiblical it would be wrong to mislead people as to its significance. We, those seeking healing, must take an honest evaluation of our belief(s) and determine if we are in fact seeking healing or are ready to move on ("because Jesus has my new body waiting for me").

People will often profess faith for healing, but given an opportunity to speak on the matter it is revealed that while their faith is sufficient for healing it is not truly what they seek and believe for. Rather it isn't something they are pursuing but have put it in the hands of God (His will), and some do not even seek it in this life (though it would be nice they say) but are looking forward to their glorified body. This is a matter of inactive faith, being comfortable, plateauing, being complacent, and the like. Notice I said some, easy now.

Not all situations are the same. God is sovereign. Someone may have the faith to walk on water, but God hasn't called them to step out of the boat. Likewise, some may have the faith to be healed, but life ever after is their destination and it is their time. God bringing them home.

We shouldn't be caught up in the blame game, and should rather encourage one another. Console the trodden down, exhort, and bring joy. Share testimonies of God's deliverance and healing. Why? For it will spark within them that pursuant faith, that attains onto the glory of God. They need something, someone, to believe in, do they not? The Lord, who sees their every tear and into the depths of their heart.

But you WoFers don't encourage focusing on the Lord. You encourage focusing on self to get to the point of God owing you. The center of WoF is ME, not God! That's your opening sentence, your closing summary, and the center of the message.

 

[Depleted]

1. Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy]. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.
   - Isaiah 53:4–5 (AMP)
2. But He was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed.
   - Isaiah 53:5 (NLT)
3. …who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
   - 1 Peter 2:24
4. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
   - Romans 8:11
5. He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?
   - Romans 8:32
6. Suddenly, a man with leprosy approached Him and knelt before Him. “Lord,” the man said, “if You are willing, You can heal me and make me clean.” Jesus reached out and touched him. “I am willing,” He said. “Be healed!” And instantly the leprosy disappeared.
   - Matthew 8:2–3 (NLT)
7. “Lord, help!” they cried in their trouble, and He saved them from their distress. He sent out His word and healed them, snatching them from the door of death.
   - Psalm 107:19–20 (NLT)
8. For He will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease.
   - Psalm 91:3 (NLT)
9. He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was none feeble among His tribes.
   - Psalm 105:37
10. Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.
    - 3 John 1:2 (NASB)
11. “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have [it] more abundantly.”
    - John 10:10
12. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you.
    - Psalm 91:5–7 (NLT)
13. With long life I will satisfy him, and show him My salvation.
    - Psalm 91:16
14. “…I am the Lord who heals you.”
    - Exodus 15:26
15. “I will give you back your health and heal your wounds,” says the Lord.
    - Jeremiah 30:17 (NLT)
16. Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.
    - Psalm 103:2–3
17. My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they [are] life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh.
    - Proverbs 4:20-22

EVERYONE WHO CAME TO JESUS WAS HEALED

1. And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.
   - Matthew 4:23
2. News about Him spread as far as Syria, and people soon began bringing to Him all who were sick. And whatever their sickness or disease, or if they were demon-possessed or epileptic or paralyzed—He healed them all.
   - Matthew 4:24 (NLT)
3. When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” Jesus said to him, “I will go and heal him.”
   - Matthew 8: 5–7 (NIV)
4. When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities and bore [our] sicknesses.”
   - Matthew 8:16–17
5. …Then Jesus turned to the paralyzed man and said, “Stand up, pick up your mat, and go home!” And the man jumped up and went home!
   - Matthew 9:6–7 (NLT)
6. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them [the] lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus’ feet, and He healed them.
   - Matthew 15:30
7. Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they received their sight and followed Him.
   - Matthew 20:34 (NIV)
8. And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand. So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.” Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent. And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched [it] out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.
   - Mark 3:1–5
9. A woman in the crowd had suffered for twelve years with constant bleeding. She had suffered a great deal from many doctors, and over the years she had spent everything she had to pay them, but she had gotten no better. In fact, she had gotten worse. She had heard about Jesus, so she came up behind Him through the crowd and touched His robe. For she thought to herself, “If I can just touch His robe, I will be healed.” Immediately the bleeding stopped, and she could feel in her body that she had been healed of her terrible condition.
   - Mark 5:25–29 (NLT)
10. Jesus stopped and said, “Call him.” So they called to the blind man, “Cheer up! On your feet! He’s calling you.” Throwing his cloak aside, he jumped to his feet and came to Jesus. “What do you want Me to do for you?” Jesus asked him. The blind man said, “Rabbi, I want to see.” “Go,” said Jesus, “your faith has healed you.” Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.
    - Mark 10:49–52 (NIV)
11. When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
    - Luke 4:40
12. And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed [them] all.
    - Luke 6:19
13. A funeral procession was coming out as He approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son, and a large crowd from the village was with her. When the Lord saw her, His heart overflowed with compassion. “Don’t cry!” He said. Then He walked over to the coffin and touched it, and the bearers stopped. “Young man,” He said, “I tell you, get up.” Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk! And Jesus gave him back to his mother.
    - Luke 7:12–15 (NLT)
14. And a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. When Jesus saw her, He called her forward and said to her, “Woman, you are set free from your infirmity.” Then He put His hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
    - Luke 13:11–13 (NIV)
15. One of the men lying there had been sick for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him and knew he had been ill for a long time, He asked him, “Would you like to get well?” “I can’t, sir,” the sick man said, “for I have no one to put me into the pool when the water bubbles up. Someone else always gets there ahead of me.” Jesus told him, “Stand up, pick up your mat, and walk!” Instantly, the man was healed! He rolled up his sleeping mat and began walking!
    - John 5:5–9 (NLT)
16. “…how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
    - Acts 10:38

This is your cut-and-paste lies again. Take examples out of the Bible to ignore context. IF Jesus healed everyone, then why did he only heal one man at the pool of Bethesda? And do note, that man didn't go to Jesus. Jesus went to him. (I brought that last part up because you constantly teach healing is work related, not grace related. "God owes me" related.)

 

[Depleted]

Not at all Ben. I'm going through this myself and find it a great opportunity to share with others while asking and seeking the same answers for myself. When you are finding answers you have been long searching for and asking about yourself, it's most gratifying to share and talk about it with others.

You haven't asked and sought in the right place since I've known you. The answers are in the WHOLE context of the Bible, and yet you won't study that. Instead you listen to false teachers, specifically to get answers you wanted instead of true answers.

I really will never know why you are allowed to stay on here teaching stuff so foreign to the gospel you even had full freedom to teach this, "Yes, Jesus was the first of many brethren. I find it very interesting too. Jesus put aside His power and relied on the power of the Holy Spirit and calls us to do the same."

That should be an affront to all true believers, and yet... you are special for some reason.

 

[Depleted]

That is absolutely not true!
Mark 5:24And a great crowd followed him and thronged about him. 25And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, 26and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. 27She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. 28For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” 29And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. 30And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?”31And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, ‘Who touched me?’” 32And he looked around to see who had done it. 33But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. 34And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

Those in the crowd didn't get healed.
I don't know why I bother, she's not going to listen anyway.

We bother so the wolf doesn't steal any of the sheep.

 

[joaniemarie]

Yes, everyone who came to Him was healed, but after He left, we have the example of Paul in 2Corinthians 12:7-9.

This is another amazing truth about seeing Jesus when we are trying to understand the Scriptures. Seeing Jesus must be the goal when we read the Bible. I put a post up about this many times because it's so very true and hit home to me.

It takes the Holy Spirit to show us the truth of who Jesus is., and to see who God the Father is. When we see God through the old covenant mindset there is a veil over our eyes. It was true for me as a Christian. Never heard of new covenant Christians trying to live under the old covenant and ended up spinning their wheels sort of speak. I figured the requirements were all the same but they are not. Covenants are all different. And today we live under the covenant of grace not works.


John 5:39-40 is Jesus speaking to the Jews that rejected Him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]You search and investigate and pore over the Scriptures diligently, because you suppose and trust that you have eternal life through them. And these [very Scriptures] testify about Me!
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And still you are not willing [but refuse] to come to Me, so that you might have life.
We can make the scriptures "God" When I say that - it is really our "interpretation" of the scriptures that we make to be a "god" in our own mind. Without the Holy Spirit's revelation to show us Christ - we are at the mercy of our own religious un-renewed minds.

The Bible is not a roadmap or instruction manual in a"completed" sense. The Bible is NOT God - God breathed - inspired - YES!
But the Bible is a book about Jesus. The Bible is not an end to itself - the Bible speaks of Jesus. He is the true reality that the scriptures speak off ( This is why there is so much controversy on the Sabbath Day issue )

Jesus said "...you search the scriptures because you think ( human reasoning ) "in them" you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 5:39-40

Reading the Bible without wanting to know and see Jesus and the Father for whom they truly are is like reading someone else's love letters. You might learn a few things about love but this will not move you toward the one who wrote the letters.

Some people get confused because they think the Bible has all the answers - it does not. It does however point us to the One who "is"the answer! James never said - "If anyone lacks wisdom you should study the Bible - He said - you should ask God Himself. James 1:5 ( God may use a verse in the scriptures or a word from another teacher...etc )

God surely speaks to us through the Bible but if the Bible doesn't lead you to the revelation of the One called Wisdom - you will be no wiser than a Pharisee. If we look for Jesus - the Holy Spirit will reveal Him in the Old Testament.

A mis-guided ( albeit maybe a well intentioned ) teacher/preacher will use the scriptures to tell you what you should do, but a grace/Christ oriented teacher/preacher will use the scriptures to show you what Jesus has done and who you are in Him now because we are in Christ and He is in us. The Holy Spirit in us teaches/guides/reveals to us Jesus and the Father's true character and finished work.

Read the scriptures with the view to "see" Jesus. In Him we see the heart and will of the Father being manifested on this earth. The best translation of the Bible is Jesus!

He is the "living word" within the written word and He is flawless and free of translation errors. All of man's translations have biases and inaccuracies. Sometimes translators give their "doctrinal beliefs" when translating a verse or word.

The scriptures teach us that we are not living by the teaching of the Bible per se - we are living by the life of Christ in us. The source of our life is not the Bible - the source of our life is the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father.

In the Old Testament when it refers to "the word of God" and the life it brings - it was in reality talking about "the living word of God" ( Jesus Himself ) - of which the scriptures are a "shadow" of the real substance - Jesus. ( another reason why strict Sabbath Keepers cannot see Christ as our true Sabbath rest now in the New Covenant - they are stuck in the shadow and think that it is the real )

The Bible shows us the ways Jesus Christ wants to express His life through us to a hurt and dying world. In Him we live, move and have our being. The Bible leads us to the source of life = Jesus Himself.

The Bible is NOT God but we can make our own interpretations of the Bible to be our "god" in our own un-renewed minds. The Holy Spirit has come in us to show us the things "of Christ" and reveal them to us - His beloved children.
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Seeing Jesus shows us how to interpret this verse about Paul's thorn in the flesh. Jesus never put sickness on anyone nor did He teach anyone that way. It was a messenger of satan who had a bunch rotten people following Paul around being a pain in the behind. Each time Paul taught in an assembly and left to teach in other places., these same people came and sought to confuse the brethren. It was a major thorn in Paul's flesh.

This also makes it clear that in Acts 5 about Ananias and Sapphira were not believers because Jesus isn't about killing His sheep He's about protecting His sheep. I see Jesus. That is why I know without a doubt how to interpret these Scriptures and I'm not alone. And how I can stand firm in my own understanding of these issues when there are differing views on it. I have a confidence in Jesus love for me and know He doesn't kill off His sheep. It's the devil who comes to kill...steal..and destroy. Jesus came to give life and that more abundantly.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That should be an affront to all true believers, and yet... you are special for some reason.

I agree completely. And yes, JM seems to have a special status in being allowed to post spiritual nonsense time after time to exacerbate dissension as well as promote spiritual confusion.

 

[joaniemarie]

One of the reasons I love posting links and cutting and pasting is that it's very difficult to keep some of these threads on topic when there are certain ones here who don't agree with me. Instead of discussion there is false accusations and personal attacks that have nothing to do with the Bible.

And because the explaining of certain topics takes so much time. As young Christians our family went to church and had so many questions about the Bible that we would spend hours and hours trying to talk to other older Christians on things like the 2nd coming of Christ. Or what the Tribulation was all about and the security of the believer...? So many questions after we left the church service.

The church had on the vestibule table little booklets by Our Daily Bread. These were devotionals and also booklets on certain subjects and gave the verses to go with it. We used to send away for so many booklets on so many topics from that Christian organization called Radio Bible Class. We were able to go home and study on our own without being frustrated and calling the more mature Christians at church. We also discovered Christian radio and TV. We listened and learned.

Today people can go on line and read and listen to God's Word preached on all kinds of topics by all kinds of Christians 24/7. Some I agree with and listen to and some I don't agree with and don't listen to. Over the years as we've grown., we've listened to many preachers and teachers but because of our own faith and maturity are able to distinguish who we believe is anointed and who isn't. Who's preaching lines up with the truth of Jesus in the new covenant and the grace and truth message He brought.

So today sharing those kinds of posts and articles and preachers is what I do here often. Those that are IMO preaching the truth and building me up in the faith. Cutting and pasting is a major blessing and I don't know why more people don't avail themselves to it more. But I don't criticize for those who don't.

 

[joaniemarie]

That is absolutely not true!
Mark 5:24And a great crowd followed him and thronged about him. 25And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, 26and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. 27She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. 28For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” 29And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. 30And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?”31And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, ‘Who touched me?’” 32And he looked around to see who had done it. 33But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. 34And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

Those in the crowd didn't get healed.
I don't know why I bother, she's not going to listen anyway.

It seems very clear to my why everyone was not healed in that crowd. Jesus told her "daughter your faith has made you whole"

 

[bluto]

Well joaniemarie, don't you think that is the "lazy" mans/womens way of doing things? To me your doing things "backwards" because Bible study is your responsibilty. God wants you to think and study to show thyself approved. What I do is my own Bible study and then I look at Lexicon's, commentaries what the early Church Fathers thought and teached as well as other informational sources. This way I can compare what others say and it feels good that they agree with my thinking. In other words, it feels good that I'm on the same page with their thinking.

Now, this does not mean "I know it all" because I don't, I'm not even close. I've changed my view on many issues down through the years based on things I had never thought of that was brought out by some other Godly person. In fact, I've even learned from some of the writings by the cults. Another thing I have learned is, I don't respond to post right away, I think about it and look up things first before I respond so I know what I'm talking about, in short, "I NEVER try and "assume" anything. It's extremely rewarding when doing your own homework to discover your on the same page that God is on through His word the Bible. Lastly, all these sites that people post I don't really read or listen to. Sometimes I do when I don't recognize or know who the person is. And the first thing I go to is their statement of faith page wherever possible. Lastly, the Apostle Paul said at Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for (or why) they received the word with great eagerness, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.'" And no, I'm not picking on you, just giving some friendly advice.

IN GOD THE SON,
james

 

[Lewiz]

Well, you definitely aren't alone. Some are just more vocal than others, and thanks for sharing. You've found liberty, and cannot help but share it with others. Its ironic that what you believe to have set you free, others are declaring as chains and oppressive.

If what joaniemarie is posting is so good and right, then why aren't the rest of the WOF'ers(such as yourself) copy/pasting this stuff too?

 

[BillG]

It seems very clear to my why everyone was not healed in that crowd. Jesus told her "daughter your faith has made you whole"

I have not been healed of my severe anxiety.
Prayed many times and been prayed over.
Named it and claimed it but still have it.

At the age of 49 I have severe arthritis in both knees as a result of football.
In fact it ruined a professional football career.

Even had a Christian tell me God wrecked my knees because I trained on a Sunday morning (even though I went to the evening service which he never went to)

Now counsel me.

 

[Depleted]

One of the reasons I love posting links and cutting and pasting is that it's very difficult to keep some of these threads on topic when there are certain ones here who don't agree with me. Instead of discussion there is false accusations and personal attacks that have nothing to do with the Bible.

And because the explaining of certain topics takes so much time. As young Christians our family went to church and had so many questions about the Bible that we would spend hours and hours trying to talk to other older Christians on things like the 2nd coming of Christ. Or what the Tribulation was all about and the security of the believer...? So many questions after we left the church service.

The church had on the vestibule table little booklets by Our Daily Bread. These were devotionals and also booklets on certain subjects and gave the verses to go with it. We used to send away for so many booklets on so many topics from that Christian organization called Radio Bible Class. We were able to go home and study on our own without being frustrated and calling the more mature Christians at church. We also discovered Christian radio and TV. We listened and learned.

Today people can go on line and read and listen to God's Word preached on all kinds of topics by all kinds of Christians 24/7. Some I agree with and listen to and some I don't agree with and don't listen to. Over the years as we've grown., we've listened to many preachers and teachers but because of our own faith and maturity are able to distinguish who we believe is anointed and who isn't. Who's preaching lines up with the truth of Jesus in the new covenant and the grace and truth message He brought.

So today sharing those kinds of posts and articles and preachers is what I do here often. Those that are IMO preaching the truth and building me up in the faith. Cutting and pasting is a major blessing and I don't know why more people don't avail themselves to it more. But I don't criticize for those who don't.

Five paragraphs to tell it's too much effort? Check the length of your posts. You don't mind effort. You do mind truly answering and you do mind studying the Bible yourself. Instead you advertise "building me up" New Age "teachers."

And you do criticize. Besides advertising the New Agers, you spend paragraph upon paragraph criticizing with your famous "whoa is me" mantra.

 

[joaniemarie]

Well joaniemarie, don't you think that is the "lazy" mans/womens way of doing things? To me your doing things "backwards" because Bible study is your responsibilty. God wants you to think and study to show thyself approved. What I do is my own Bible study and then I look at Lexicon's, commentaries what the early Church Fathers thought and teached as well as other informational sources. This way I can compare what others say and it feels good that they agree with my thinking. In other words, it feels good that I'm on the same page with their thinking.

Now, this does not mean "I know it all" because I don't, I'm not even close. I've changed my view on many issues down through the years based on things I had never thought of that was brought out by some other Godly person. In fact, I've even learned from some of the writings by the cults. Another thing I have learned is, I don't respond to post right away, I think about it and look up things first before I respond so I know what I'm talking about, in short, "I NEVER try and "assume" anything. It's extremely rewarding when doing your own homework to discover your on the same page that God is on through His word the Bible. Lastly, all these sites that people post I don't really read or listen to. Sometimes I do when I don't recognize or know who the person is. And the first thing I go to is their statement of faith page wherever possible. Lastly, the Apostle Paul said at Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for (or why) they received the word with great eagerness, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.'" And no, I'm not picking on you, just giving some friendly advice.

IN GOD THE SON,
james

For sure James., I didn't say I don't study the Bible myself. I use a few different translations and also study Bibles. I really enjoy the Amplified for personal study and praying because I like the use and definition of words. I trust the Holy Spirit to show us believers the truth because Jesus said He will send the Holy Spirit in John and that He would not leave us alone here.

Not sure why you would assume I don't study daily? I've been doing it for years. But will say it wasn't until I was baptized in the Holy Spirit that I began to really see Jesus in the Bible. Before I understood the rules and different doctrines but didn't understand the person of Jesus. I didn't really have that confident assurance of what His righteousness given to me meant. I was saved but not confident in His love and grace.

Now I know because of Jesus., we can go to God freely and always find grace and help in time of need. That there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ and that because we are new creations., we are now able to respond to the Holy Spirit's leading in that new and living way. So although I've been saved since around 1982, the growing in grace didn't come until just a few years ago.

 

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Well joaniemarie, don't you think that is the "lazy" mans/womens way of doing things? To me your doing things "backwards" because Bible study is your responsibilty. God wants you to think and study to show thyself approved. What I do is my own Bible study and then I look at Lexicon's, commentaries what the early Church Fathers thought and teached as well as other informational sources. This way I can compare what others say and it feels good that they agree with my thinking. In other words, it feels good that I'm on the same page with their thinking.

Now, this does not mean "I know it all" because I don't, I'm not even close. I've changed my view on many issues down through the years based on things I had never thought of that was brought out by some other Godly person. In fact, I've even learned from some of the writings by the cults. Another thing I have learned is, I don't respond to post right away, I think about it and look up things first before I respond so I know what I'm talking about, in short, "I NEVER try and "assume" anything. It's extremely rewarding when doing your own homework to discover your on the same page that God is on through His word the Bible. Lastly, all these sites that people post I don't really read or listen to. Sometimes I do when I don't recognize or know who the person is. And the first thing I go to is their statement of faith page wherever possible. Lastly, the Apostle Paul said at Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for (or why) they received the word with great eagerness, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.'" And no, I'm not picking on you, just giving some friendly advice.

IN GOD THE SON,
james

Hold on! When you read commentaries, the writers all agree all the time? Which commentaries are you reading? I've been up to five at a time, and sure nuff, they only agree with each other 80% of the time.

 

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For sure James., I didn't say I don't study the Bible myself. I use a few different translations and also study Bibles. I really enjoy the Amplified for personal study and praying because I like the use and definition of words. I trust the Holy Spirit to show us believers the truth because Jesus said He will send the Holy Spirit in John and that He would not leave us alone here.

Not sure why you would assume I don't study daily? I've been doing it for years. But will say it wasn't until I was baptized in the Holy Spirit that I began to really see Jesus in the Bible. Before I understood the rules and different doctrines but didn't understand the person of Jesus. I didn't really have that confident assurance of what His righteousness given to me meant. I was saved but not confident in His love and grace.

Now I know because of Jesus., we can go to God freely and always find grace and help in time of need. That there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ and that because we are new creations., we are now able to respond to the Holy Spirit's leading in that new and living way. So although I've been saved since around 1982, the growing in grace didn't come until just a few years ago.

I know you don't study the Bible because you posted a WoFers preaching on the usual (I was going to say healing, but not like you ever post about anything else), and used the Book of Job as his first point saying Satan never asked God for permission to go after Job. Clearly not what happened in the very beginning of Job. I asked you numerous times what you think of the Bible's take on his first point, and you agreed with him -- at best. Clearly, only way to agree with him is to never have read the Book of Job -- not even the first 1-2 chapters of it. And yet, you did say, and still say, that you study the Bible.

No. You don't. You fortune-cookie the Bible, and probably directly linked to the garbage of the "teachers" you keep following and copy-paste for others to be lured into.

 

[joaniemarie]

I have not been healed of my severe anxiety.
Prayed many times and been prayed over.
Named it and claimed it but still have it.

At the age of 49 I have severe arthritis in both knees as a result of football.
In fact it ruined a professional football career.

Even had a Christian tell me God wrecked my knees because I trained on a Sunday morning (even though I went to the evening service which he never went to)

Now counsel me.

I'm sorry for what has happened to you and is happening to you but I can't counsel you Bill. I can only share what I've been learning and it isn't what you've been told or supposed. I go one day at a time and that is how the Holy Spirit has been teaching me. I was once without any means in this world and then started learning about what it means to trust Jesus and the righteousness He gave me way back in the 1980s.

I've only recently begun learning how to walk by faith and not by sight. I can't answer for anyone else except myself. But I found out that to see God I have to see His Son. Not through the eyes of other people or opinions. But through His grace and truth. That is a daily thing.

Looking at other people is not where the answers are. I believe Jesus loves me and will take care of me and He has. I believe that Psalm 91 is for us today and I claim His promises for my life. I don't try to figure out why some don't and some do. I don't even go there. There is a rest for us and that is where I go.

When I read these verses I know that Jesus met every single requirement and condition for these promises. And I walk them out as mine because Jesus paid for them by His stripes we are healed and we have His Holy Spirit to show us the way to believe. I need the Holy Spirit every day.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand].
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2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my Refuge and my Fortress, my God; on Him I lean and rely, and in Him I [confidently] trust!
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3 [/SUP]For [then] He will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
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4 [/SUP][Then] He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings shall you trust and find refuge; His truth and His faithfulness are a shield and a buckler.
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5 [/SUP]You shall not be afraid of the terror of the night, nor of the arrow (the evil plots and slanders of the wicked) that flies by day,
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6 [/SUP]Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor of the destruction and sudden death that surprise and lay waste at noonday.
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7 [/SUP]A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not come near you.
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8 [/SUP]Only a spectator shall you be [yourself inaccessible in the secret place of the Most High] as you witness the reward of the wicked.
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9 [/SUP]Because you have made the Lord your refuge, and the Most High your dwelling place,
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10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall you, nor any plague or calamity come near your tent.
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11 [/SUP]For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
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12 [/SUP]They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
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13 [/SUP]You shall tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the serpent shall you trample underfoot.
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14 [/SUP]Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness—trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].
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15 [/SUP]He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
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16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.
[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

1. Psalm 91:1 The rich promises of this whole chapter are dependent upon one’s meeting exactly the conditions of these first two verses (see Exod. 15:26).