Are Holy Spirit baptisms claims provable?
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I would say only YHWH knows, but with that said I think anyone who has had baptisim by the spirit of YHWH would in some way, with varying degrees reflect this:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I will put My Spirit within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]put a new spirit within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Torah/Instructions[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I will put My Spirit within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]put a new spirit within you[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Torah/Instructions[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
Well we can assume a persons experience is either legit or not but unless we were there and experienced it ourselves all we really have is speculation but as for if it should hold any weight in the forum or not that is up to each person in their own view as it is a public forum. I personally do not like to just write off a persons experience even if it sounds a bit off but I also do not simply accept every one as legit
Well I suppose it depends, I mean I have been in the presence of both real tongues and fake tongues. In the presence of being there with the real tongues I felt my spirit almost leap inside me and I felt as if my spirit and soul itself was being infused with power and strength almost like an invisible fire and in the presence of fake tongues my spirit gave me a sense of uneasiness like I needed to get away from it. So perhaps being in the presence of one being baptized by the holy spirit would work the same way.
It seems God disagrees with you...
Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38(Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
That is like asking a "christian" prove they are "christian".... Y-shua said not everyone who calls me Lord-Lord are saved. The point is people say what they "say" , only the Lord knows the truth. But this we can take to the bank... the Truth will find you out... We don't need to. The Scripture also tells us to test the spirits... Is everything true? NO! Is everything a lie? NO! This is where our personal relationship with G-d comes in. Pray, ask, and how does it, whatever it is, hold upto Scripture.
To be honest I am not entirely sure, I just somehow knew like I had some kind of sense of knowing inside me. I can only imagine the holy spirit inside me was the one who gave that sense of knowing but regardless he never once stuttered which he has had an issue with his whole life and the affects of just being near him when it happened was astounding. The things of the spirit are not like with the flesh sometimes you cannot fully explain or understand it.
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Power is the sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
When a person is effective, spiritually, and displays some kind of supernatural connection with God they probably have the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
"8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you"-Acts 1:8
When a person is effective, spiritually, and displays some kind of supernatural connection with God they probably have the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
"8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you"-Acts 1:8
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A good start but Jesus explains how it is and always will be
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:
The problem is unbelief and denial of the truth of scripture.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:
The problem is unbelief and denial of the truth of scripture.