Preparation for the Last Days

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I believe Revival and great Harvest is upon us----bringing the Harvest is the Church's job and when finished the Rapture will take place---- some are saying the Church will go into the Great Tribulation because they feel we are no better than those who have suffered before us---- there is a persecution coming against the Harvest and Christians, even in America and we must realize this, but the Great Tribulation is wrath and judgment reserved for cleansing the world of evil, not the Church--- I am not a contentious person arguing for the Rapture--- I have friends and ministry people I greatly respect who believe the Church will go into the Great Tribulation...
 
Locutus

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Another errortic at work..
 
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Another errortic at work..
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Happy Easter dear Brother!! Yeah, the harvest was in 70 AD, when the wheat and tares were separated. The wheat were gathered "into the barn" at Pella and the tares were burned in the fires of Jerusalem. Sadly, 88 doesn't get it and likely never will. But happy Easter to you too brother 88.
 
RickyZ

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Errotic? Was that a conflation of heretic and erotic?

God offered the Messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered for it in 70 AD.

God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him, and will suffer for it in the future.

God says the church will see judgment but not wrath. Guess it all depends on what you see as judgment and what you see as wrath in the end.

Except for those who see nothing at all.
 
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Errotic? Was that a conflation of heretic and erotic?

God offered the Messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered for it in 70 AD.

God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him, and will suffer for it in the future.

God says the church will see judgment but not wrath. Guess it all depends on what you see as judgment and what you see as wrath in the end.

Except for those who see nothing at all.
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The Op says the church will not go through the Great Tribulation and the implication is future. The tribulation ended in 70 AD, 73AD if you count Masada. This is the error. That said, since God is the same throughout time, there most likely will be a reckoning coming. When and how or if, is not told to us anywhere in the Bible as all things have been fulfilled. When the 7th angel poured his bowl into the "air" it was done. Jerusalem was divided into three parts and they cursed God as there was no sanctuary or place (mountains or islands) were they could hide from His wrath. All cities of Israel (the nations) fell and white Roman catapult stones (like hail) the weight of a talent, were thrown over the wall. Men blasphemed God because of it but they still refused to repent.
 
RickyZ

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PlainWord said:
The Op says the church will not go through the Great Tribulation and the implication is future. The tribulation ended in 70 AD, 73AD if you count Masada. This is the error. That said, since God is the same throughout time, there most likely will be a reckoning coming. When and how or if, is not told to us anywhere in the Bible as all things have been fulfilled. When the 7th angel poured his bowl into the "air" it was done. Jerusalem was divided into three parts and they cursed God as there was no sanctuary or place (mountains or islands) were they could hide from His wrath. All cities of Israel (the nations) fell and white Roman catapult stones (like hail) the weight of a talent, were thrown over the wall. Men blasphemed God because of it but they still refused to repent.
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But you don't seem to think the church will go thru the tribulation either. So you are arguing with someone who agrees with you?
 
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Believe it or not, we are deep into the Great tribulation right now. The great tribulation as described in Rev 6 is nothing more than death by: pestilences (diseases), beasts of the earth (Machinery & animals), famine (Natural disasters), sword (wars and judgement). The only thing that makes it terrible is that if anyone dies without Christ, they done and dusted, they are of the antichrist.
 
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It didn't take very long for the preterist to hijack this thread. My two-cents worth: There is no pre-trib rapture. Christ will come back and take over this worlds kingdoms. Nobody has gone to heaven, nobody will go to heaven. Heaven (the Kingdom of) will come here.

1 Thes. 4:13-17: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


 
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Noose said:
Believe it or not, we are deep into the Great tribulation right now. The great tribulation as described in Rev 6 is nothing more than death by: pestilences (diseases), beasts of the earth (Machinery & animals), famine (Natural disasters), sword (wars and judgement). The only thing that makes it terrible is that if anyone dies without Christ, they done and dusted, they are of the antichrist.
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Exactly. The tribulation started when Christ ascended. The things we see in Revelation... they're nothing new. It's just that in the end we will see all this to a much greater scale than before.
 
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Errotic? Was that a conflation of heretic and erotic?

God offered the Messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered for it in 70 AD.

God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him, and will suffer for it in the future.

God says the church will see judgment but not wrath. Guess it all depends on what you see as judgment and what you see as wrath in the end.

Except for those who see nothing at all.
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Nothing Erotic about it. More a conflation of (in) error and heretic!

If a person is born again then they are already prepared for the last days. I believe they actually started with Christs ministry death and resurrection. I also believe that the Old Covenant ended with the destruction of the Temple and City in AD70 and that the Church is an extension of spiritual Israel. Jesus planted the seed of the kingdom at his first coming and that kingdom will be finalized at his second.
 
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88 said:
I believe Revival and great Harvest is upon us---
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Since Christendom has been going deeper and deeper into apostasy, how do you imagine "revival"? At the same time souls are being saved worldwide in spite of this apostasy.
 
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End time revival teaching is about as true as the church being in the second thousand years of the millennium.
 
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bringing the Harvest is the Church's job
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The harvest is the end of the age,
and the harvesters are angels.
(Matthew 13:39)​
 
posthuman

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88 said:
bringing the Harvest is the Church's job and when finished the Rapture will take place
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who is telling you that you are a harvester?

The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”
(Matthew 13:28-30)

"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil."
(Matthew 13:38-41)

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does that seem to be what Jesus says?
 
posthuman

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Not the same harvest at all. Check out John 4:34-38.
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Others have done the hard work,
and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.
(John 4:38)

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what exactly are the "benefits" He is speaking about?
He says the disciples have already reaped them - that, 2,000 years ago while He stood by them telling them these things.


Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life,
so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.
(John 4:36)​
 
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posthuman

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Happy Easter dear Brother!! Yeah, the harvest was in 70 AD, when the wheat and tares were separated. The wheat were gathered "into the barn" at Pella and the tares were burned in the fires of Jerusalem. Sadly, 88 doesn't get it and likely never will. But happy Easter to you too brother 88.
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the tares were burned?

so there's nothing left but wheat now?
and it's being brought into the barn?

fantastic!
 
posthuman

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Noose said:
Believe it or not, we are deep into the Great tribulation right now. The great tribulation as described in Rev 6 is nothing more than death by: pestilences (diseases), beasts of the earth (Machinery & animals), famine (Natural disasters), sword (wars and judgement). The only thing that makes it terrible is that if anyone dies without Christ, they done and dusted, they are of the antichrist.
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in ch. 9 a time is described when people will seek to die, but be unable to.
did that happen during the Roman siege of Jerusalem?
 
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Not the same harvest at all.
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OP is very clearly talking about the end of the age and harvest of souls.

in John 4 Jesus tells the disciples they have already reaped what others have already sown. so what harvest is that? He talks in John 4 of drawing a wage and harvesting eternal life. do we draw a wage from harvesting souls? does handing out tracts earn eternal life?

in Matthew 13 Jesus teaches about the end of the age and harvest of souls:

"This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
“Have you understood all these things?”
Jesus asked.
(John 13:49-51)
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Locutus

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There was only one age that ended that was spoken of in the New Testament and that was the Mosaic age which ended in the first century AD - the Christian age has no end.

1 Cor 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

The end of the age was upon the people who Paul was writing to in their days.
 
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