Picture in Hebrews chapter 4

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Troubled65

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What truth are we to glean from the wilderness story?
 
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The children of Israel failed to enter into rest in the promised land because of unbelief, and we should strive to not fall after the pattern of their disobedience.
 
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There is a rest afforded believers in this present age and through unbelief we will suffer the consequences and find no rest and peace...it has nothing to do with losing salvation....nor does it indicate being cast away...even though they were not allowed to enter the promised land of rest, God did not cast them away...he led them 40 years in the wilderness by the pillar of fire and smoke which made his presence known, he through MOSES led them, provided for them, gave them a form of worship which pointed to Christ and raised a new generation that would go in and take the land......by faith!
 

Nehemiah6

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What truth are we to glean from the wilderness story?
There are several lessons to be learned from this passage below:

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

1. This is primarily addressed to Hebrew believers who were vacillating between the rest of the New Covenant and the works of the Old Covenant.

2. The Israelites in the wilderness had every reason to trust God and rest in His promises about their entrance into Canaan. But it was unbelief which caused ten of those 12 spies to become fearful about their entrance, and only Joshua and Caleb believed God.

3. As a result, that entire generation of Israelites perished in the wilderness of Sinai, and it was the next generation which entered Canaan. But even Joshua who led this generation into Canaan could not give his people the spiritual rest which comes from trusting and obeying God. Hence the disastrous book of Judges.

4. Canaan is a type of Heaven, and only those who rest in the finished work of Christ and stop trying to earn their salvation through their own good works will enter Heaven.

5. Those who have been saved by grace through faith have already entered into the sabbath rest of God (which is eternal). They are not trusting in themselves, but wholly trusting in Christ and His finished work of redemption, as well as His ongoing mediation and advocacy on their behalf in Heaven.

6. To "labour" to enter into God's rest is really to fully believe what God has said regarding salvation, and that we are not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Lewiz

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There is a rest afforded believers in this present age and through unbelief we will suffer the consequences and find no rest and peace...it has nothing to do with losing salvation....nor does it indicate being cast away...even though they were not allowed to enter the promised land of rest, God did not cast them away...he led them 40 years in the wilderness by the pillar of fire and smoke which made his presence known, he through MOSES led them, provided for them, gave them a form of worship which pointed to Christ and raised a new generation that would go in and take the land......by faith!
This sounds like you're saying none of those Israelites went to Hell when judged. Is that what you're saying?
 

Shamah

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What truth are we to glean from the wilderness story?
Simply put those who believe also obey, and those who do not will not enter the Eternal Kingdom of YHWH. Those who do will enter, just as the picture of Joshua ben Nun entering the promised land shows.

I am going to post a more full breakdown of Hebrews 4, I had replied to another member on this matter a few days ago, I'm going to build on that with more Scripture and thoughts, praise YHWH!
 
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This sounds like you're saying none of those Israelites went to Hell when judged. Is that what you're saying?
I said what I said....show me where I said or even implied that none of them died lost.....LEWIZ......
 

Shamah

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Hebrews chapter 4 talks about a “rest remaining for the people of Yah” We are going to review this and see the this “rest” is indeed in the Messiah, it is speaking of eternal life, however none have yet entered into this “rest” Yahshua offers. People say things like “I rest in Jesus” and “Jesus is the Sabbath now.” While this sounds wonderful, it is not Scriptually accurate. Let us search the Scriptures and prove what the “rest” Yahshua offers is. Since Hebrews chapter 3 leads into what is being explained in chapter 4 we can start there;

Hebrews 3:7-19, “Therefore, as the Set-apart Spirit says, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tried Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they shall enter into My rest...’ Look out, brothers, lest there be in any of you a wicked heart of unbelief in falling away from the living Elohim, but encourage one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened by the deceivableness of sin. For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end, while it is said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” For who, having heard, rebelled? Was it not all who came out of Mitsrayim, led by Mosheh? Andwith whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief.



How did they “harden their hearts” and “rebel” in the wilderness?


Exodus 16:25-28, “And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to יהוה, today you do not find it in the field. Gather it six days, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” And it came to be that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And יהוה said to Mosheh, “How long shall you refuse to guard My commands and My Torah?”


By not obeying YHWH, notice how “not obeying” is synonymous with “unbelief” Also note what Hebrews 3:18-19 says concerning “entering rest”, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief.

Enter in what/where? “
His rest” Yet we know this is talking about them dying in the wilderness and never enter “the promised land/physical Israyl.”This is a metaphor using the promised land of physical Israyl comparing it to the Eternal Kingdom of Yah that is coming; thus;

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of
יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers....”


Psalms 95:8-11, “Do not harden your hearts as in Meriḇah, And as in the day of Massah in the wilderness, When your fathers tried Me, Have proved Me, though they saw My work. For forty years I was grieved with that generation, And said, ‘They are a people who go astray in their hearts, And they do not know My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they enter into My rest...”


Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write:Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!”
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If we look at the way the writer of Hebrews interprets the “trial in the wilderness” (Exodus 16:25-28,) in Hebrews 3:7-19 and coming up in Hebrews 4, interpreting Scripture with Scripture looking to Revelation 14:13, we can see it is a future rest, in Messiah, but not attainable while in a physical body.[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1, “Therefore, since a promise remains of entering into His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If this was written AFTER Yahshua/Jesus came in the flesh as the suffering Lamb, and if we can enter into the rest He offers NOW why is it written “since a promise remains of entering into His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it” Why would a promise remain, the rest would be here already. No the promise remains because it is future:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master [/FONT]יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers....”

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write:
Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:2, "For indeed the Good News was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief in those who heard it."4:3, "For we who have believed do enter into that rest, as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest...” And yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews “4:3, "For we who have believed do enter into that rest,...yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Context right? “believed” Do you see how in this writers mind there is no difference between believing and obeying?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:16-19, “For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Simply put those who believe also do.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:2, “For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If the promised land/physical Israyl was used in chapter 3 as a metaphor, and the rest offered is eternal life as written here:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master [/FONT]יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers....”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:3, “For we who have believed do enter into that rest..” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]At first glance it seems this rest is entered now, however consider 2 things.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. If the “rest” is the Eternal Kingdom what if I say “we who do enter the Kingdom” This phrase does not only mean we who enter it now or have already entered it, but rather “we who do enter” as in future. When this is looked at in context the very next thing written it seems even more plausible;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. and “His works have come into being from the foundation of the worldis quoted from Psalm 95;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 95:8-11, “Do not harden your hearts as in Meriḇah, And as in the day of Massah in the wilderness, When your fathers tried Me, Have proved Me, though they saw My work. For forty years I was grieved with that generation, And said, ‘They are a people who go astray in their hearts, And they do not know My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they enter into My rest...And yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]YHWH already knows who will enter His kingdom “from the foundation of the world.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 12:25, “For I am יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], I speak. And the word which I speak is done. It is no longer deferred. For in your days, O rebellious house, when I speak the word I shall do it,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And speaks of things that have not yet been fulfilled/happened yet as if they are already past;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is satan being spoken of as if already destroyed “I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes”;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 28:13-19, “You were in Ĕḏen, the garden of the Most High. Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold. The workmanship of your settings and mountings was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah. You walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. By the greatness of your trade you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of Yah, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you. You profaned your set-apart places by your many crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who knew you among the peoples were astonished at you. Waste you shall be, and cease to be, forever.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There are more examples of this, however this one is clearly a future thing spoken as if it has already happened.[/FONT]
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:4, "For somewhere He has said thus about the seventh day, “And Elohim rested on the seventh day from all His works in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Here we see “the seventh day” is mentioned, lets review what the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day is and represents;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:2-3, “And on the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 17:7, “And he called the name of the place Massah and Meriḇah, because of the ‘strife’ of the children of Yisra’yl, and because they ‘tried’ יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], saying, “Is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה in our midst or not?”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the seventh day,...the seventh day from all His works in this again,...“If they shall enter into My rest...”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day? 7,000 years, the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day or years 6,001-7,000 represents the “Sabbath millennium,” all of the Moadim (appointed times) of YHWH are prophetic pictures of works of the Messiah;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath represents “Sabbath millennium” or “the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day”;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If you add up the genealogies in the Scripture we are around the year 6,000 nearing the “Sabbath millennium”...[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahshua came 2,000 years ago.. Hosheyah 6:1-3 says, “After two days He shall revive us...”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of the Mighty One, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 6:1-3, “on the third day He shall raise us up”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."[/FONT]
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:5, "and in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 95:8-11, “Do not harden your hearts as in Meriḇah, And as in the day of Massah in the wilderness, When your fathers tried Me, Have proved Me, though they saw My work. For forty years I was grieved with that generation, And said, ‘They are a people who go astray in their hearts, And they do not know My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they enter into My rest...”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:6, “Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,"4:7, "He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” 4:8, "For if Yehoshua (Joshua Ben Nun) had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How did “Joshua speak of another day,” we can see Joshua did not fall in the wilderness but entered into “the promised land”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 14:28-30, “Say to them, ‘As I live,’ declares יהוה, ’as you have spoken in My hearing, so I do to you: The carcasses of you who have grumbled against Me are going to fall in this wilderness, all of you who were registered, according to your entire number, from twenty years old and above. None of you except Kalĕḇ son of Yephunneh, and Yehoshua son of Nun, shall enter the land which I swore I would make you dwell in.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Josh 3:1, 8, "1 And Yehoshua rose early in the morning, and they set out from Shittim and came to the Yardĕn, he and all the children of Yisra’ĕl, and stayed there before they passed over. 8 “And you, command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, ‘When you come to the edge of the water of the Yardĕn, stand in the Yardĕn.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Josh 4:1, “And it came to be, when the entire nation had completely passed over the Yardĕn,..”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The true entering of the promised land, “the rest” can not be obtained in the life. It is life in the eternal Kingdom… That is why Joshua Ben Nun spoke of another day… The image or picture that the writer of Hebrews is telling us by using Joshua entering the promised land as the example or metaphor; Hebrews 4:8, "For if Yehoshua (Joshua Ben Nun) had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.” Is believers entering the Eternal Kingdom of YHWH…[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master [/FONT]יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers....”

Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:9, “So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of the Mighty One. (The Greek word is sabattismos, which means Sabbath-keeping.)[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]By saying “Jesus does it for me” or by actually listening to the Messiah?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proof this is an end time prophecy is found here, for the Messiah has not yet returned;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:32-36, “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches become tender and it produces leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, you will know that the Son of Man is near, right at the door. I tell all of you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen. Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear. No one knows when that day or hour will come—not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, “I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected.”

Revelation 21:1, “I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 7:22-24, “Because of this Mosheh has given you the circumcision – though it is not from Mosheh, but from the fathers – and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the Torah of Mosheh should not be broken, are you wroth with Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Even in the “new heavens and earth” the Sabbath will be kept;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 66:21-24, “And from them too I shall take for priests – for Lĕwites,” declares יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For as the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “so your seed and your name shall stand[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!” [/FONT]
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:10, “For the one, having entered into His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as the Mighty One rested from His own.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How do we “rest from our works”?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 58:11-14, "...turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure..."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:11, "Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]What was the example of disobedience?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 16:25-28, “And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, today you do not find it in the field. Gather it six days, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” And it came to be that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none.And [/FONT]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to Mosheh, “How long shall you refuse to guard My commands and My Torah?”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:16-19, “For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:2, “For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews "4:6, "Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,"4:7, "He again defines a certain day, [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” But they said, We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12, "For the Word of the Mighty One is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account. Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, יהושע the Son of the Mighty One, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin. Therefore, let us come boldly to the throne of favor, in order to receive compassion, and find favor for timely help.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]
 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl says an evil force will “think to change times and Laws and will wear out the saints of the most High...”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]times” is word #H2166 – zeman, Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) a set time, time, season[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl Chapter 2-7 is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Israylites were taken captive to Babylon and made to forget their ways under the rule of the Bablonian king. “Zem-awn'” is an Aramaic word, and is the literal equivilent of the Hebrew word “moadim” - word #H4150 meaning: “appointed times”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"time" for , “a time and times and the dividing of time” Is a different root word from the first thus showing it conveys a different meaning.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a time and times and the dividing of time” is word #H5732 – iddan, Strong's Concordance - iddan: time, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עִדָּן[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: iddan, Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn'), Short Definition: time[/FONT][/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a time and times and the dividing of time” is word #H5732 –Brown-Driver-Briggs - (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon), (Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time. [/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a time and times and the dividing of time” is word #H5732 – Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) time, 1a) time (of duration), 1b) year[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exactly why are “those dying is Messiah blessed” and going to “rest”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 19:27-29, “Then Kĕpha answering, said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. What then shall we have? And יהושע said to them, “Truly I say to you, when the Son of Aḏam sits on the throne of His esteem, you who have followed Me in the rebirth, shall also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Yisra’yl. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My Name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 48:35, "“All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is there!” (In Hebrew: [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה Shammah)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 22:28, “For the reign belongs to יהוה, And He is ruling over the nations.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 37:29, “The righteous shall inherit the earth, and dwell in it forever.”[/FONT]
 

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I said what I said....show me where I said or even implied that none of them died lost.....LEWIZ......
I don't know why you're talking like this. I don't understand what you actually said.:confused:
 

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In Hebrews 4:2-3, we read: For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have BELIEVED do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between "us" who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and "them" who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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What truth are we to glean from the wilderness story?
A big part of it for me is in gathering more than enough for the day in the disobedience of mistrust rather than the obedience of trust (faith).

We can see a correlation to us in present day, regarding our worry and anxious thoughts over collecting more than enough for the day in our IRA's, rather than trusting Him to give us our need daily.
 
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What truth are we to glean from the wilderness story?
I would offer that some men do not mix faith the unseen eternal in what they do see or hear, the temporal, or do not know how according to the prescription below.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Cor.4:18



It has somewhat to do with parables and looking for the unseen spiritual understanding hid in parables. Many seem to shy away from parables even though Christ informs us without parables he spoke not to the multitude. Which is those who had faith and those who had none, making it impossible to mix faith. They would be identified as restless wanderers (natural man) having not received the hidden spiritual understanding, called the hidden Mana spoken of in the book of Revelation. No Sabbath rest that comes when they hear the voice of God and do not harden their hearts. Christ softens our hearts

Another problem I believe is because some make a non-time sensitive word Sabbath into one that is time sensitive and argue about what day can men can receive that rest. The scripture calls it today and long as today is still today and the new heavens and earth have not appeared without the time keepers the Sun and the moon. The Glory of the Lord will be the light. There will be no darkness, day and night

Again the key seems to be how do we “mix faith” in order to rest in His Love?

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV)
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.