Do we decide to be saved?

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Nehemiah6

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Are you still trying to explain something that Paul explains clearly?
And are you still trying to take Scriptures OUT OF CONTEXT to prove that God arbitrarily chooses some for damnation?
 

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And are you still trying to take Scriptures OUT OF CONTEXT to prove that God arbitrarily chooses some for damnation?
Rom 9:17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

If you take the above verse out of context, it would still mean God raised up Pharaoh for damnation.
 
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I have been recently talking with a friend about whether or not one decides to be saved. His position is that we are elected to salvation and that, as such, we believe when we hear the gospel. He claims that it must be that way otherwise it becomes something we do in order to be saved.

I am inclined toward the election possibility but I am not dogmatic about it. It might be that even if we are elected it may be up to us as to when we believe.

I am also aware that I might be dead wrong about election and that it is up to everyone who hears the gospel to choose to receive eternal life or not.

I invite your (respectful) thoughts on the matter.

Thank you.
We choose to be saved,for if we did not then God's kingdom is not true love,for the people had no choice but to accept God seeing no other alternative,and God is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in the matter for they did nothing wrong for they have no choice but to be lost with no fault of their own.

If God chooses who will be saved and not saved in the beginning,then it goes against His kingdom that is true love,and against His nature that He is love,which should throw up a red flag right there with the proper attitude,I will see in to this and find out the truth,for there cannot be contradictions in the Bible,especially concerning the nature of God.

Only by us having the choice in our salvation is God's kingdom true love,and He can judge those that reject the truth and not be evil.

Also add to that,all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is no one that does good,no,not one,and what makes you to differ from another person,and if you think you are something when you are nothing you deceive yourselves,and God said the inhabitants of the earth are as grass hoppers,and less than nothing,and there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile,and if you break the least of the commandments you are guilty of all which applies to all people.

So all people are in the same boat,on the same level,as sinners,so why would God choose some and not other without their choice in the matter.Again it goes against the nature of God,and does not make sense.

Also add to that,Jesus is the Savior of the world,that takes away the sins of the world,and lights every person that is born in to this world,which means everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved,and the darkness does not comprehend it,and God commands all people everywhere to repent and come to the truth,so why would He command all people to repent if he choose who would be saved and not saved,and God said He wants all people to repent,come to the knowledge of the truth,and be saved,and the Spirit and bride say,Come,and anybody that wants that salvation can have it,and the Lord is not willing that any perish,but all come to the truth and be saved.

God plainly stated He wants all people to be saved so He did not choose who will be saved and not saved without their choice in the matter.

Also add to that,many are called but few are chosen,so if God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their input then why would He be calling people on earth that cannot be chosen,and if He chooses who will be saved without their choice then all He called would be chosen.

But it is many are called but few are chosen,which means God does the calling and choosing on earth.

But even though we have a choice in our salvation God gets the glory,and He chose us we did not choose Him.

No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,and no person says Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost,and Peter claimed Jesus as the Son of the living God,and the Christ,which Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to you but My Father in heaven.

Many are called but few are chosen,and not many noble,not many wise after the flesh,not many mighty,are called,and that is because their heart condition is too arrogant.

God knows the condition of the heart,and will call those whose heart condition is right,and will work with them to get them to the truth,but when they get to the door of truth they have to push it open,but God gets the glory for they would of not gotten to the door of truth if God did not intervene in their life.

So God chose us we did not choose Him for without God intervening in our life then we would of not gotten to the door of truth,because no person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

Many are called but few are chosen for many people do not open the door of truth going that far when God called them,but God did not give up on them,and will keep working with them to get through the door of truth.

And to open the door of truth is to confess Christ,and allow the Spirit to lead you,and realize that we have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and sin does affect our relationship with God.

Which many people do not realize that when they confess Christ,but they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth,and then points out it is their sins,for they think they are alright despite holding unto sins,which a big one is the neglect of the poor and needy,and going by their wants,which Paul said they are nothing,and have erred from the faith,and James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them,for love is the fufilling of the law,and that includes helping people with their needs,whatever that many be,but mainly it would mean financially,but many people want to enjoy the world somewhat,and money and material things for their wants,and fall victim to the love of money is the root of all evil,for it neglects the poor and needy which is what it is all about,love.

Which the Bible says the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and if you are saved and do not continue in the goodness of God you will be cut off,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sins.

But some people did not even start out right when they confessed Christ not walking through the door of truth.

But some people think they are alright despite holding unto sin especially believing God blesses with money and material things for their wants,which Paul said if they teach that withdraw yourselves from them.

So many are called but few are chosen because not everybody walks through the door of truth.

Which there is no excuse why we cannot abstain from sin for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified with flesh with the lusts and affections,and show the ways of the Spirit,which there is no fleshy ways there,and God will not allow them to be tempted what they are able,so the temptation is light,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

We cannot abstain from sin does not apply for nobody forced us to sin,but we did it on purpose,and we can have the Spirit,and if we hate sin,and do not want sin,then by the Spirit we can abstain from sin.

The thing is they sin on purpose and enjoy it,and then they want an excuse that they cannot abstain from sin,when they are doing it on purpose.

The Bible says God is not mocked for whatever you shall sow you shall reap,whether to the flesh,sin,to corruption,or the Spirit,abstaining from sin,not corruption,so do not be deceived.

And if a person willingly sins after having the knowledge of sin,holding unto sin,then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away,and it is on their record,for God will not take away what we hold unto.

All sin can be forgiven,and the healthy attitude when we sin is to know that we wanted to enjoy it,but by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,and sin does affect our relationship with God.

But many people say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and have the improper attitude,and will hold unto sin for the flesh will take advantage of that relaxed attitude concerning sin.

Those that have walked through the door of truth,and led by the Spirit,might sin,but they will not hold unto it,and repent of it,and mean it,and move forward,but those that have not walked through the door of truth will hold unto sin and think they are right with God.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Also people that believe that God chose in the beginning who would be saved and not saved without their choice,and quote the saints were predestined to salvation it does not mean that.

The Bible says that God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although it was a future event,and the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world,although it was a future event,and the kingdom was prepared for them from the foundation of the world,although Jesus said to the disciples that He goes away to prepare the kingdom for the saints.

God had the plan to give mankind salvation before He laid down the foundation,so it is the same as if the saints have that salvation in the beginning,but this is to whoever chooses salvation in the future when the Lamb is slain,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,and the Spirit and bride say Come,and anybody can have that salvation.

Many are called but few are chosen,for not everybody called walks through the door of truth,because they will not let go of the flesh,and allow the Spirit to lead them,but want to enjoy sin and believe they are right with God,and have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof.

You will know the saints by their lifestyle,and he that does not do righteousness is not of God.

Many people are relaxed in their walk with Christ,and many have not walked through the door of truth,all the while they think they are right with God.

We have a choice in our salvation for God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil,and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and anybody can have that salvation,and God gets the glory for us being saved,and He chose us,we did not choose Him,for no man comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

But we have to walk through the door of truth,and they need to have the proper attitude and say,I will see in to this matter,and find out what the scriptures are saying,and let the ways of the flesh go thinking they are alright with God.

Many are called but few are chosen,and Jesus lights every person that is born in to this world,and God wants all people to come to the knowledge of the truth,and be saved.
 
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Really??

Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abram were Jewish?

Abram----Abraham----Isaac---Jacob--Named changed to Israel---12 SONS--12 tribes....NATION of ISRAEL....

WAS Adam JEWISH? What about Cain? <---So ABEL was JEWISH but Cain was not as a lost man?

Trying to understand how all the O.T. saints can be JEWISH before the Nation of Israel was even born.............
Seth is called Noah's firstborn even though he was not born first. "Blessed be the LORD God of Seth". Eber or Heber is a descendant of Seth (and so is Jesus). Descendants of Eber or Heber were called Hebrews. Abraham is a descendant of Eber. Abraham was a Hebrew. Jacob, a descendant of Abraham, is called Israel....the sons of Israel are called Jews. The LORD God of Seth is also the LORD God of Israel. The LORD God of Israel is the God of the Jews. There is no other God but the God of Seth and Israel.
 

Nehemiah6

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Rom 9:17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

If you take the above verse out of context, it would still mean God raised up Pharaoh for damnation.
Why not try to understand what happened with this Pharaoh.

1. This evil man was already an enemy of God and of the Israelites before Moses was born.

2. He abused, oppressed and persecuted the Israelites in Egypt, and demanded that their new-born sons be destroyed.

3. After Moses went to him to petition the release of the Israelites, he persisted in opposing God and Moses.

4. But God already knew that this evil man would never repent, so He gave Pharaoh multiple opportunities to resist God. It was in this sense that God "raised up" or incited resistance in Pharaoh. But it is Pharaoh who had damned himself to Hell by his opposition to God. And this is true for all wicked and evil men.

5. God does NOT elect some for damnation. They choose their own damnation. Please note:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15,16)

Since God wants "every creature" (every human being) to hear the Gospel, Christ has given this Great Commission to the Church. THIS MEANS THAT IF ALL WOULD OBEY THE GOSPEL, ALL WOULD BE SAVED.

However, those who refuse to believe God, believe the Gospel, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ choose their own damnation. That is very clear from this Scripture.
 

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Seth is called Noah's firstborn even though he was not born first. "Blessed be the LORD God of Seth". Eber or Heber is a descendant of Seth (and so is Jesus). Descendants of Eber or Heber were called Hebrews. Abraham is a descendant of Eber. Abraham was a Hebrew. Jacob, a descendant of Abraham, is called Israel....the sons of Israel are called Jews. The LORD God of Seth is also the LORD God of Israel. The LORD God of Israel is the God of the Jews. There is no other God but the God of Seth and Israel.
No, the sons of Judah are Jews. The sons of Israel are Hebrew and Israelites. All Jews are part of Israel, but not all Israel are Jews. Just like all bears are mammals but not all mammals are bears.

Many of you are saying that everyone has God's truth and decide whether to act on it or not. What about all of Central and South America, full of Catholics, that think they are serving God? Where does their choice inter into the picture? The same holds true for many on this forum that don't really have the Holy Spirit. They think they are already serving God. Satan and his cohorts are very much in the business of religion. 2 Cor. 11:14:
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

 
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Seth is called Noah's firstborn even though he was not born first. "Blessed be the LORD God of Seth". Eber or Heber is a descendant of Seth (and so is Jesus). Descendants of Eber or Heber were called Hebrews. Abraham is a descendant of Eber. Abraham was a Hebrew. Jacob, a descendant of Abraham, is called Israel....the sons of Israel are called Jews. The LORD God of Seth is also the LORD God of Israel. The LORD God of Israel is the God of the Jews. There is no other God but the God of Seth and Israel.
oops. Just realized I said "Seth" instead of Shem
 

Noose

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Why not try to understand what happened with this Pharaoh.

1. This evil man was already an enemy of God and of the Israelites before Moses was born.

2. He abused, oppressed and persecuted the Israelites in Egypt, and demanded that their new-born sons be destroyed.

3. After Moses went to him to petition the release of the Israelites, he persisted in opposing God and Moses.

4. But God already knew that this evil man would never repent, so He gave Pharaoh multiple opportunities to resist God. It was in this sense that God "raised up" or incited resistance in Pharaoh. But it is Pharaoh who had damned himself to Hell by his opposition to God. And this is true for all wicked and evil men.

5. God does NOT elect some for damnation. They choose their own damnation. Please note:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15,16)

Since God wants "every creature" (every human being) to hear the Gospel, Christ has given this Great Commission to the Church. THIS MEANS THAT IF ALL WOULD OBEY THE GOSPEL, ALL WOULD BE SAVED.

However, those who refuse to believe God, believe the Gospel, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ choose their own damnation. That is very clear from this Scripture.
Nope, you still don't get it. When God says He raised up Pharaoh for the purpose of showing His might, He means even before that specific Pharaoh was born, it was already determined that at that point in time, Pharaoh would resist so that God's might is shown. So, Pharaoh was born for that purpose.

Paul in Romans 9 draws a correlation between believers and unbelievers - how some are appointed as vessels of wrath.

Even Judas was appointed to betray Jesus:

Matt 26:23Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me.24The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”25Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely you don’t mean me, Rabbi?”Jesus answered, “You have said so.”
 

Nehemiah6

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Nope, you still don't get it. When God says He raised up Pharaoh for the purpose of showing His might, He means even before that specific Pharaoh was born, it was already determined that at that point in time, Pharaoh would resist so that God's might is shown. So, Pharaoh was born for that purpose.
Quite obviously you do not understand Divine omniscience and Divine foreknowledge. If "Pharaoh was born for that purpose" then you are attributing sin and evil to God, since God would have created an evil man to do evil against His own people. Which makes God ultimately responsible for all the wickedness in this world. Is that your God? And do you see how evil your theology is?
 

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No we don't decide if we are saved or not. God is the one whom judges the salvation and damnation of man. Whether God has raised one up to show his mercy through them, or whether God has raised one up to show his wrath through them, it is all for the purpose of glorifying the Lord God Most High.


I see mention indeed of the goodly point of Pharaoh, and this is a good example of this concept. God raised up Pharaoh and hardened his heart to show his wrath through Pharaoh and through all the race of Egypt so that many might know of the wrath and power of a real God. In this God is glorified through the wrath of his plagues against Egypt. God also raised up Moses and helped him to endure to show his great mercy through Moses and Israel for a stiffnecked people that frequently turned their backs to their own God, and still he had mercy on them and brought them to the land which he promised to give to their ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Through this also we see ultimately God is glorified for his mercy towards Israel, continually forgiving them and defending them from their enemies and leading them through the wilderness.
 

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Also add to that,all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is no one that does good,no,not one,and what makes you to differ from another person,and if you think you are something when you are nothing you deceive yourselves,and God said the inhabitants of the earth are as grass hoppers,and less than nothing,and there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile,and if you break the least of the commandments you are guilty of all which applies to all people.

We have a choice in our salvation for God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil,and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and anybody can have that salvation,and God gets the glory for us being saved,and He chose us,we did not choose Him,for no man comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

But we have to walk through the door of truth,and they need to have the proper attitude and say,I will see in to this matter,and find out what the scriptures are saying,and let the ways of the flesh go thinking they are alright with God.

Many are called but few are chosen,and Jesus lights every person that is born in to this world,and God wants all people to come to the knowledge of the truth,and be saved.
So much confliction here on the one hand you have clearly quoted a scripture saying there is not one good no not one, which clearly shows that we can do nothing. Then at the end you say oh but wait there is something you have to do.

I encourage you to look at what Jn. 15:16 has to say about choosing, I can also quote Phil. 2:21 along with that of Eph. 2 and explain how choosing works in these verses. Then look at Lazarus in Jn. 11 and then ask yourself how did he (Lazarus)choose to come out of the tomb.
 

Nehemiah6

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Then look at Lazarus in Jn. 11 and then ask yourself how did he (Lazarus)choose to come out of the tomb.
Bringing Lazarus and his resurrection into this discussion is pointless. The real question is "Did Lazarus and his sisters believe in the Lord Jesus Christ sometime before this incident, and if so did God chose this family while condemning almost all the Jews to Hell?" Not likely, since Christ came to save all of Israel if they would repent and believe on Him.
 
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Count yourself blessed and be assured that God is working in your life for a surety that cannot be denied,and is proof that God is with you.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

No person says Jesus is the Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,and that is to confess Jesus as above all principality,power,and dominion,which Jehovah's Witnesses,and Mormons,fail at calling Jesus Lord in the proper manner,as well as the more serious false Christian denominations that are even worse than them.

So if you confess Jesus is Lord in the proper perspective then you can be assured without a doubt that God is working in your life.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If you confess that Jesus is the Christ,the Son of the living God,then flesh and blood did not reveal that to you,but the Father from heaven,so be assured without a doubt that God is working in your life.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

If you believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh then be assured that you are of God,and without a doubt He is working in your life.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you confess Jesus as Lord and Savior you could not of done that unless the Father drew you to the Son,so be assured that without a doubt God is working in your life.

And if you confess these things,and God is working in your life,then the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part,which He will not turn from you no matter if you hold unto sin,but will keep working with you to get out all the kinks.

Look at how many times He brought Israel back to the truth,and will do it again in the future when He turns the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Some people might think is God with me,and I am struggling so how can God be with me,but if you confess those things then God is with you,for nobody can believe those things unless God is working with them,for without God working in their life the flesh would reject believing those things,and we can make things miserable by our own negative thinking,but God is still there and has not forsaken us,but He said cast your cares upon Him for He cares for you,and stop worrying,and then you will see that it was you that was the obstacle if you felt God was not with you because you thought something was wrong because of your worrying,which do not be too hard on yourself,and we have to forgive ourselves also.

If you confess those things,and God is with you,then you are worthy,and we can know without a doubt that God is with us and working with us,that cannot be denied,for we confess those things that a person cannot do unless God is working in our lives.
 

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I have been recently talking with a friend about whether or not one decides to be saved. His position is that we are elected to salvation and that, as such, we believe when we hear the gospel. He claims that it must be that way otherwise it becomes something we do in order to be saved.

I am inclined toward the election possibility but I am not dogmatic about it. It might be that even if we are elected it may be up to us as to when we believe.

I am also aware that I might be dead wrong about election and that it is up to everyone who hears the gospel to choose to receive eternal life or not.

I invite your (respectful) thoughts on the matter.

Thank you.
I have always believed that God gives us a choice. I believe all were predestined to be saved however the choice has to be theirs, he never forces us to follow him, He treasures a willing child not a controlled or forced one.
 

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Bringing Lazarus and his resurrection into this discussion is pointless. The real question is "Did Lazarus and his sisters believe in the Lord Jesus Christ sometime before this incident, and if so did God chose this family while condemning almost all the Jews to Hell?" Not likely, since Christ came to save all of Israel if they would repent and believe on Him.
So we want to bring in the word believe, ok so you do realize that this is a work not by us but by God himself.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Jn. 6:29

How about the parable of dry bones. How did they come back to life again ?

If you also want to look at the word repent this to has everything to with....you guessed it the work of God.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Rom. 2:24

lets not get into the word Israel and all because we know for a fact that all of Israel did not believe and repent.

 
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I have been recently talking with a friend about whether or not one decides to be saved. His position is that we are elected to salvation and that, as such, we believe when we hear the gospel. He claims that it must be that way otherwise it becomes something we do in order to be saved.

I am inclined toward the election possibility but I am not dogmatic about it. It might be that even if we are elected it may be up to us as to when we believe.

I am also aware that I might be dead wrong about election and that it is up to everyone who hears the gospel to choose to receive eternal life or not.

I invite your (respectful) thoughts on the matter.

Thank you.

If you choose a Bride for yourself, you Look at Her and adore and truly Love and desire to spend your life with Her......does She still Have the choice to Marry you and return the feelings spending Her Life with you, Because she sees the Value in you and really wants to Be with you?

truly some will Hear the Message of Jesus Christ, and they will Not choose to spend thier Lives with Him. He Loves Us, He has shown it to the earth He has spoken His word of salvation for Mankind. theres No More to show His Love than Jesus suffering in Our stead, for the worst and best of us alike. cursed, whipped, Beaten 2 times Mocked, spit on, ridiculed, falsely accused, bound, and then Nailed to a crucifix, a roman tool of Public torture and execution for criminal.


romans 10 " But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


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How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? ( Isaiah 53)

17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."


salvation is offered to everyone. by the same Word of God the Gospel. but Like Jesus taught. there are things seeking to steal the Message we Hear, and make it unfruitful in us.

Luke 8 "
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."


Notice that the devil seeks to take the Truth we Hear of the Gospel out of Our hearts, and that riches and pleasures can corrupt our walk, being chosen, doesnt Guarantee salvation. Remember that 9in the Book of Life...People are " blotted Out" Jesus died for everyone, His offer is extended to everyone, we Have to guard the Word Of God in us, and Patiently endure in Learning and Walking in it. thats Our Place


 

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lets not get into the word Israel and all because we know for a fact that all of Israel did not believe and repent.
And that is the STRONGEST EVIDENCE that God does not elect some for salvation and others for damnation. Israel was chosen by God to be a special nation -- to be a theocracy under God. There was no nation as favored as Israel. So both logically and theologically, if God were electing some for salvation, all of Israel would have been elected and saved. But the exact OPPOSITE happened. Israel as a nation rejected their Messiah, even though Christ called upon them over and over again to repent and be saved.

ROMANS 9

1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

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That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

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For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

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Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

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Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.