Can Christians cling to delusional ideas?
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Delusion is having faith in things you can see or things you understand with your own intellect and saying you have a sound mind.
We walk by the faith of Jesus Christ, not our own weak efforts to believe. We understand as the Holy Spirit gives us His understanding with each step we take in Him. Nobody can profess they understand the mind of God in their own temporal fleshly mind. That is delusional.
It is impossible to believe God or receive anything from Him in our flesh. It is totally supernatural and totally the work of God in us. He breaks, molds, conforms us to the image of His Son, not we ourselves. Anyone who has faith in his own natural efforts and understanding is delusional.
We walk by the faith of Jesus Christ, not our own weak efforts to believe. We understand as the Holy Spirit gives us His understanding with each step we take in Him. Nobody can profess they understand the mind of God in their own temporal fleshly mind. That is delusional.
It is impossible to believe God or receive anything from Him in our flesh. It is totally supernatural and totally the work of God in us. He breaks, molds, conforms us to the image of His Son, not we ourselves. Anyone who has faith in his own natural efforts and understanding is delusional.
First of all, you can ask me what my intentions are, you cannot tell me what they are. Just because you pronounce my intentions as such does not have the power to make it so. Many people read teachings other than the Bible, or bible commentaries that give them ideas contrary to scripture.
It is an obvious solution to the problem to take the scripture at face value. It was good advice, I realized that it sounded like how disrespectful people talk- which is why I made my intentions clear. I do not come here to be argumentative and rude, I come to share God’s truth and love (even tough love if needs be).
Second of all, you need to pinpoint exactly what you think I’m misunderstanding.
It is an obvious solution to the problem to take the scripture at face value. It was good advice, I realized that it sounded like how disrespectful people talk- which is why I made my intentions clear. I do not come here to be argumentative and rude, I come to share God’s truth and love (even tough love if needs be).
Second of all, you need to pinpoint exactly what you think I’m misunderstanding.
The delusion is strong in this one, so strong it wants to suppress other delusions so that it remains the only delusion in the entire world.
There's nothing you can do about it Nehemiah6, in all of us, it is fulfilled what was prophesied by Daniel:
Dan 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.
There’s a reason why Christianity is broken down into uncountable number of denominations- the antichrist has been given powers to overcome God’s holy people.
About the kingdom of God:
Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[SUP]c[/SUP]
22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
The kingdom of God is and was and is to come the Almighty- No one can say we will wait until this moment or that moment, or here or there, it is always work in progress with chief corner stone being Christ Himself/ the foundations of the apostles/ walls and pillars made of believers who are being added one after another as we speak and at the end of the age when the number that was determined in the beginning is achieved, it will be presented to God as a beautiful bride aka new Jerusalem.
There's nothing you can do about it Nehemiah6, in all of us, it is fulfilled what was prophesied by Daniel:
Dan 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.
There’s a reason why Christianity is broken down into uncountable number of denominations- the antichrist has been given powers to overcome God’s holy people.
About the kingdom of God:
Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[SUP]c[/SUP]
22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
The kingdom of God is and was and is to come the Almighty- No one can say we will wait until this moment or that moment, or here or there, it is always work in progress with chief corner stone being Christ Himself/ the foundations of the apostles/ walls and pillars made of believers who are being added one after another as we speak and at the end of the age when the number that was determined in the beginning is achieved, it will be presented to God as a beautiful bride aka new Jerusalem.
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Just who is deluded here. I can understand the unbelievers attacking our understanding of what God is doing with mankind. There are so many different doctrines out there: How does one know he is really following the true Creator God? We paint God as an all powerful, loving entity that has already prophesied that most won't be making it to the Kingdom of God. God seems to be losing out to the devil on gaining souls.
God tells us: He is love. (1 John 4:8,16) Then He tells us that Satan is so good at deceiving Christians that many will be eventually rejected by Christ. (Matt. 7:23 & Luke 13:27) To the unbelieving this doesn't make much sense. Then He gives us scriptures like this:
1 Tim. 2:3,4: "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
2 Pet. 3:9: "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
God then tells us to go about witnessing the good work He is doing among us, even though most are lost? Something to think about.
God tells us: He is love. (1 John 4:8,16) Then He tells us that Satan is so good at deceiving Christians that many will be eventually rejected by Christ. (Matt. 7:23 & Luke 13:27) To the unbelieving this doesn't make much sense. Then He gives us scriptures like this:
1 Tim. 2:3,4: "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
2 Pet. 3:9: "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
God then tells us to go about witnessing the good work He is doing among us, even though most are lost? Something to think about.
I do not know how is he bound, how can a spiritual being be bound and restricted. He is defeated and we have an authority over him. He cannot go to heaven anymore. Therefore he is bound, somehow.
I am not sure how it technically works in a spiritual realm.
Do not expected that pain or death or wars are gone in our realm when he is bound. Pain is in our bodies, death is the enemy that will be defeated as the last one and wars are between people. But the spread of gospel and the knowledge of Christ will make it to be less and less present.
I am not sure how it technically works in a spiritual realm.
Do not expected that pain or death or wars are gone in our realm when he is bound. Pain is in our bodies, death is the enemy that will be defeated as the last one and wars are between people. But the spread of gospel and the knowledge of Christ will make it to be less and less present.
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Well here is what we find in Scripture. And of course, it is really beyond human understanding, but it is factual and true.
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Obviously, since Satan is a spirit being, this "great chain" must be of a very special supernatural construction in order to keep Satan bound. But this is not a "spiritualized" bondage, but a real imprisonment of Satan in the bottomless pit. No matter how difficult it may be for human beings to grasp this and understand the nature of the chain or of the bottomless pit.
But what many Christians have done is simply spiritualized this Millennium and are falsely claiming that Satan is already bound, when the evidence all around us shows the exact opposite. If Satan were well and truly bound there could not be any sin, evil, and wickedness on this earth. So it is DELUSIONAL to make such a preposterous claim when there is no evidence to support it.
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Obviously, since Satan is a spirit being, this "great chain" must be of a very special supernatural construction in order to keep Satan bound. But this is not a "spiritualized" bondage, but a real imprisonment of Satan in the bottomless pit. No matter how difficult it may be for human beings to grasp this and understand the nature of the chain or of the bottomless pit.
But what many Christians have done is simply spiritualized this Millennium and are falsely claiming that Satan is already bound, when the evidence all around us shows the exact opposite. If Satan were well and truly bound there could not be any sin, evil, and wickedness on this earth. So it is DELUSIONAL to make such a preposterous claim when there is no evidence to support it.
Your understanding is incorrect.The correct translation is that 'the kingdom of God is AMONG you'. Jesus preached the PRESENT kingdom now present among them, and so did PAUL. And we are NOW in that kingdom. It is your delusional belief in a mixed up earthly kingdom that leads YOU astray. What a monstrosity!
I repeat, what a monstrosity. A kingdom of God established by the King and brought to its knees by Satan.
I repeat, what a monstrosity. A kingdom of God established by the King and brought to its knees by Satan.
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God is in the process of removing evil from the universe. God is a God of love. If He allowed the evil being to continue anywhere forever, that would be most unkind to them. Would not a God of love let anyone, that couldn't quite cut with Him, be destroyed instead of tortured forever. Some people are going to turn evil despite any influence acted upon them.
Satan is not bound yet. That only happens after Jesus comes back with power and glory.
Rev. 19:11-13: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”
Satan is then bound for the one-thousand-year reign of Christ on earth.
Rev. 5:10: “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”
Rev. 20:4: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Rev. 20:2,3: “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
There are many morally good people in the world, but unless our Father draws them into His fold: they will never understand God's word and His plan. We don't have to worry about anyone being tormented in flames forever. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. Everybody sins and everybody pays. This is physical death. The dead are asleep. Paul may have said: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. OK, to close your eyes at night: presto - it is morning. It is the same principal.
God's promise to resurrect "the rest of the dead" in Rev. 20 will be the first and only chance these that were not called in the first life will have. That is when they will have their chance to overcome Satan and his fallen army. This will be Satan's last act. When God is finished with purging the universe of evil: all the demons and evil people will be completely destroyed.
Eze. 28:14: "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." This establishes identity.
Eze. 28:18: "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."
Eze. 28:19: "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." This tells of the fate of Satan. Which is also the fate of those that reject the Holy Spirit anointing by the end of the judgement period.
Satan is not bound yet. That only happens after Jesus comes back with power and glory.
Rev. 19:11-13: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”
Satan is then bound for the one-thousand-year reign of Christ on earth.
Rev. 5:10: “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”
Rev. 20:4: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Rev. 20:2,3: “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”
There are many morally good people in the world, but unless our Father draws them into His fold: they will never understand God's word and His plan. We don't have to worry about anyone being tormented in flames forever. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. Everybody sins and everybody pays. This is physical death. The dead are asleep. Paul may have said: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. OK, to close your eyes at night: presto - it is morning. It is the same principal.
God's promise to resurrect "the rest of the dead" in Rev. 20 will be the first and only chance these that were not called in the first life will have. That is when they will have their chance to overcome Satan and his fallen army. This will be Satan's last act. When God is finished with purging the universe of evil: all the demons and evil people will be completely destroyed.
Eze. 28:14: "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." This establishes identity.
Eze. 28:18: "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."
Eze. 28:19: "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." This tells of the fate of Satan. Which is also the fate of those that reject the Holy Spirit anointing by the end of the judgement period.
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