What is the basis of our faith?

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Lighthearted

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You put it best as hard as it can be on our feelings and emotions...sometimes people are even guilt tripped into thinking they just didn't "pray enough" or have "enough faith" or something else that will push them away from God instead of drawing them in...who are we to know God's plans not just in our lives but in the lives of all human beings. To emphasize your point healing isn't always physical; emotional and spiritual healing can also take place when we as people generally look for a physical one. I know this is one of the most difficult truths I've had to come to terms with as a Christian...why some and why not others? Why the physical healing for one's parent and the death for another? In the end I don't think we will know but it just reminds us to put our faith and trust in God he is in control and knows what is best more so than we do.
In the end sis, we WILL know!
 

Lighthearted

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Of course this was a different dispensation, it was still the Old Covenant. But if a person doesn't realize he's a sinner... why would he want to get saved then? :)
That's why we shouldn't leave out the law. Although we are not bound by the law but live under Grace, unbelievers need to hear it because they can see they are sinners. Then they need to hear what Jesus did!
There is history in the Bible that wasn't written to us...but it is all for us. It is for us to understand God's plan and great love for us, learn to fear Him, yet learn to love Him all the same.
 
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Originally posted by BEN
How can we have faith in God for something, if we do not know His will in the matter? On what basis can we have faith in God, be it for deliverance, protection, providence, healing, or any blessing? His will by necessity must be revealed in order to have faith. Without His will we are left with hope. How does faith come to be, if it is an expectation, a believing of something as having been done, if we do not understand God's will?


If you have faith in His existence, faith in His promises, then you should have no problem having faith that He knows and wants what's best for you and trust Him in His wisdom.

Exactly no man can come unless God enables them to. Hemoves us not us Him. The unconverted Jew got that upside down. As if the worksaid to Him who made it had no understanding


It like the womanwith the blood problem. The Holy Spirit worked in her to both will and performHis good pleasure. It became her good pleasure as a result of Christ working in her. She previously had no idea hecould or would tough his garment and she was made whole. She was moved by theSpirit of Christ. She did not move the holy Spirit to heal her.

It’s an evil generation natural uncovered man that seeks after a sign and wonders gospel before they will believe God.


Believers follow after prophecy... walking by faith.... the unseen will of God .Signs are for those who rebel. There is no such thing as asign gift.
 
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There's no salvation without repentance. Here's what repentance is according to the Greek:

3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").
I would offer, The meaning of the word repent in respect to the grace of God has more to do with comforting one self or ease oneself .As always God must do the first works . If he does not first turn us to hear him not seen and give us ears to hear what the Spirit is saying no man could ease them selves(repent) or comfort

We can ease ourselves(repent) because he called heavenward. If he does not call we simply do not know Him who turns creatures with the sound of his word our still the raging Sea

He changes our minds given us a new spirit and heart that could never die.
 

LW97

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I would offer, The meaning of the word repent in respect to the grace of God has more to do with comforting one self or ease oneself .As always God must do the first works . If he does not first turn us to hear him not seen and give us ears to hear what the Spirit is saying no man could ease them selves(repent) or comfort

We can ease ourselves(repent) because he called heavenward. If he does not call we simply do not know Him who turns creatures with the sound of his word our still the raging Sea

He changes our minds given us a new spirit and heart that could never die.
Correct, it's not us saving ourselves, neither do we ask God to save us. We TRUST him
 

Mo0448

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Im sorry Mo...lol...I thought someone else posted that...then I looked again and thought" oh man! Mo is not my sis"...sorry bro...please forgive me?
You're all good! No Harm no foul I did think dang...my name in blue didn't make it clear I was a he? It's the yorkie profile picture isnt it hahaha! What can I say I like my dog lol
 

Lighthearted

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You're all good! No Harm no foul I did think dang...my name in blue didn't make it clear I was a he? It's the yorkie profile picture isnt it hahaha! What can I say I like my dog lol
No...wasn't the Yorkie at all...I really hadn't looked close at who posted until I responded...no your love of your pup to me is manly in the sense that youre tough enough to not care what anyone else might think! Just like they say real men aren't afraid to wear pink or cry lol...
 

Cee

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Where did I say repentance meant turning from sin? :)
When you made the statement a person needed to know "they were a filthy sinner" to repent.
 

LW97

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When you made the statement a person needed to know "they were a filthy sinner" to repent.
I said they must REALIZE their sins, not that they must be WILLING TO TURN from them.
 

Lighthearted

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I said they must REALIZE their sins, not that they must be WILLING TO TURN from them.
I think it's important when you believe in Jesus and understand Grace and find faith in the Gospel...that you are willing to turn from sinful ways. I often debate with a friend over this. I believe that repent is a military term meaning "to turn around" and go the opposite direction...where my friend and I differ is that I believe after we are justified (ask for forgiveness...born again) by Christ and we enter into sanctification ( learning to become more like Him) in our daily walk and build a personal relationship, we often fail and triple. After all, He teaches us and grows fruit...ie, love, patience, FAITH, and we learn to trust Him and we find hope because we come to understand how deep His love is. I believe our sanctification teaches us how to stay faithful in our walk...to reject sin more and more as we grow until we lose our flesh and are glorified in our spiritual bodies. My friend and some other people I know believe that justification means there is no trips...that we do a complete 180 and can not sin again or we never truly were born again.( I think sometimes we do a 160 or 170...)
So we should be willing to turn from sin. We just may not be so successful at first. I believe walking is a process He brings us through to be more perfect like He is. How can we ever be perfect until we are glorified?
 
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LW97

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I think it's important when you believe in Jesus and understand Grace and find faith in the Gospel...that you are willing to turn from sinful ways. I often debate with a friend over this. I believe that repent is a military term meaning "to turn around" and go the opposite direction...where my friend and I differ is that I believe after we are justified (ask for forgiveness...born again) by Christ and we enter into sanctification ( learning to become more like Him) in our daily walk and build a personal relationship, we often fail and triple. After all, He teaches us and grows fruit...ie, love, patience, FAITH, and we learn to trust Him and we find hope because we come to understand how deep His love is. I believe our sanctification teaches us how to stay faithful in our walk...to reject sin more and more as we grow until we lose our flesh and are glorified in our spiritual bodies. My friend and some other people I know believe that justification means there is no trips...that we do a complete 180 and can not sin again or we never truly were born again.( I think sometimes we do a 160 or 170...)
So we should be willing to turn from sin. We just may not be so successful at first. I believe walking is a process He brings us through to be more perfect like He is. How can we ever be perfect until we are glorified?
Asking for forgiveness is false. How if Jesus already has forgiven?
 

Cee

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The focus of repentance is on God not on man. Godly sorry is turning to God, if it doesn't cause us to turn to Him, it's just sorrow. But I'm not sure this matters to the topic. So good discussion. :)
 

LW97

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The focus of repentance is on God not on man. Godly sorry is turning to God, if it doesn't cause us to turn to Him, it's just sorrow. But I'm not sure this matters to the topic. So good discussion. :)
That's what I am saying. Repentance is turning to god. It's guilt, not sorrow
 

Cee

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That's what I am saying. Repentance is turning to god. It's guilt, not sorrow
Sure I understand where you're coming from. But consider this another way: Guilt is more a bi-product of seeing God face-to-face. The goodness of God causes us to turn to Him not the awareness of our "sinfulness". The disciples didn't know God was going to die for their sins, but Jesus still sent them to preach the gospel. Because the gospel is about Him. When Jesus went to His disciples, He said follow Me. He didn't say you're all just a bunch of filthy sinners, so you better follow Me or else you're going to hell for eternity. As they walked with Him they believed who He was more and more. Isaiah wasn't told he was a man with unclean lips, he came face-to-face with God, and he knew it. We see Him, His purity and His love for us. And in His love we discover not just our need for Him, but our desire for Him. Because of this desire, we feel guilty, because He is so good and kind, we don't want to disappoint Him. This all boils down to our focus. Guilt is not our Lord. His goodness and kindness draws us to Him. And we find His love and His love leads us to loving Him.
 

Lighthearted

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Asking for forgiveness is false. How if Jesus already has forgiven?

When I pray, I always examine myself. If I know I have done something to have caused a stripe on His body, I confess it. I tell Him I'm sorry for hurting Him and ask Him to help me to be stronger and keep me from making the same mistakes. I know that when we believe in His birth, death, and resurrection according to the scriptures we are forgiven.
 
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Cee

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When I pray, I always examine myself. If I know I have done something to have caused a stripe on His body, I confess it. I tell Him I'm sorry for hurting Him and ask Him to help me to be stronger and keep me from making the same mistakes. I know that when we believe in His birth, death, and resurrection according to the scriptures we are forgiven.
Thanks for sharing :)
 

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As I posted in another thread (on healing), how do those who oppose healing as a promise reconcile such belief with the precedent set in scripture of people utilizing faith in order to be healed? Such preaching, and doctrine, would hinder people from having faith and that in and of itself refutes their belief system (because it goes contrary to scripture).
 

Nehemiah6

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That's what I am saying. Repentance is turning to god. It's guilt, not sorrow
Repentance includes godly sorrow, So you are mistaken.

9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

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For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

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For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. (2 Cor 7:9-11)
 

Nehemiah6

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As I posted in another thread (on healing), how do those who oppose healing as a promise reconcile such belief with the precedent set in scripture of people utilizing faith in order to be healed? Such preaching, and doctrine, would hinder people from having faith and that in and of itself refutes their belief system (because it goes contrary to scripture).
Faith to be healed must take into account the fact that God does not always heal so it is subject to His perfect will.

Did Paul have faith to be healed of his thorn in the flesh (body) -- his infirmity? Absolutely.

Did God heal him? Absolutely NOT.