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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    This is not agreeing to disagree. It is making an unjust accusation against thousands of Christians who are spiritual. So making such an accusation is definitely carnal.
    Just because a majority of people believe a certain way, doesn't make it true. Satan has deceived a whole world of Christians. Just look at South and Central America and the idolatry practiced.
    Romans 8:28: “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
    to them who are the called according to His purpose.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Bee View Post
    That is carnal, it is not a biblical identity in Christ.
    What is a biblical identity in Christ?
    This is the work of God: that you believe into the one [the father] set apart. John 6:29

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    Vine's Dictionary of New Testament Words: Dispensation

    Dispensation - Greek = oikonomia, Noun Feminine, Strong's #3622

    A period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs . Primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship.

    In the Epistles of Paul, who applies it:
    (a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");

    (b) to the stewardship commited to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Ephesians 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"

    (c) in Ephesians 1:10 ; 3:9 , it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ.

    (NOTE: A "dispensation" is a mode of dealing, an arrangement, a stewardship or administration of affairs)

    Using the 3 verses from Vines definition of Dispensation above:
    1Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despenation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despenation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despensation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Other example's of a: dispensational stewardship:
    Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    (NOTE: Sundry = Many parts or portions & Divers manners = many ways. God spoke to the fathers in different times in different ways. Example: Adam - Noah - Abraham - Moses.)

    Ephesian 1:
    9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will:
    (NOTE: God NOW reveals the mystery of his will)

    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
    (NOTE: To be revealed NOW thru the administration, by God, of Paul's stewardship/ministry. NOW, at "the fullness of the time" (or seasons)
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    Rom 10:10 With the heart man believes to righteousness & with the mouth confession is made to salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingDove View Post
    Vine's Dictionary of New Testament Words: Dispensation

    Dispensation - Greek = oikonomia, Noun Feminine, Strong's #3622

    A period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs . Primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship.

    In the Epistles of Paul, who applies it:
    (a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");

    (b) to the stewardship commited to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Ephesians 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"

    (c) in Ephesians 1:10 ; 3:9 , it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ.

    (NOTE: A "dispensation" is a mode of dealing, an arrangement, a stewardship or administration of affairs)

    Using the 3 verses from Vines definition of Dispensation above:
    1Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despenation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despenation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
    (NOTE: Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says: That a stewardship/despensation of the gospel was given to me/HIM)

    Other example's of a: dispensational stewardship:
    Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    (NOTE: Sundry = Many parts or portions & Divers manners = many ways. God spoke to the fathers in different times in different ways. Example: Adam - Noah - Abraham - Moses.)

    Ephesian 1:
    9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will:
    (NOTE: God NOW reveals the mystery of his will)

    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
    (NOTE: To be revealed NOW thru the administration, by God, of Paul's stewardship/ministry. NOW, at "the fullness of the time" (or seasons)
    Amen and thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deade View Post
    Just because a majority of people believe a certain way, doesn't make it true. Satan has deceived a whole world of Christians. Just look at South and Central America and the idolatry practiced.
    So just because you may disagree with Dispensationalism, you can go ahead and paint those believers as "carnal"? And then you bring up "idolatry" to add insult to injury?

    No one has said that Dispensationalism is the "majority view". Quite the opposite. But making false accusations against Bible-believing Christians is simply doing the Devil's bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    What is a biblical identity in Christ?
    Prophet, Apostle, disciple, heir, saint, ambassador, Christian, workman, sons, daughters... and maybe even terms, like, "little flock" and the church "the body of Christ"


    I like to think of identity from God's perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    So just because you may disagree with Dispensationalism, you can go ahead and paint those believers as "carnal"? And then you bring up "idolatry" to add insult to injury?

    No one has said that Dispensationalism is the "majority view". Quite the opposite. But making false accusations against Bible-believing Christians is simply doing the Devil's bidding.

    If it's "doing the devil's work" to rudely attack what you believe, what would it be called when you or I do the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlSnookman7 View Post
    If it's "doing the devil's work" to rudely attack what you believe, what would it be called when you or I do the same thing?
    It was not a rude attack on "what you believe", but an ACCUSATION of Christians being "carnal" because they believe something. Big difference, but you failed to read the offensive post, so please do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    So just because you may disagree with Dispensationalism, you can go ahead and paint those believers as "carnal"? And then you bring up "idolatry" to add insult to injury?

    No one has said that Dispensationalism is the "majority view". Quite the opposite. But making false accusations against Bible-believing Christians is simply doing the Devil's bidding.
    Then why do you do it so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    I teach dispensationalism, but i also teach all men of all times were saved by faith, adam and eve earned salvation as long as they continued to have faith, when their faith fell and they sinned, they lost the right to save themseves, and had to trust god to save them.
    Adam & Eve never earned their salvation.
    "There are two Christs in all of us who are saved."
    KJV1611

    "The Christ in me IS NOT the same Christ that's in someone who came to understand Christ a different way than I did."
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    I teach dispensationalism, but i also teach all men of all times were saved by faith, adam and eve earned salvation as long as they continued to have faith, when their faith fell and they sinned, they lost the right to save themseves, and had to trust god to save them.
    Adam & Eve never had the right to save themselves, either.
    "There are two Christs in all of us who are saved."
    KJV1611

    "The Christ in me IS NOT the same Christ that's in someone who came to understand Christ a different way than I did."
    KJV1611


    "I don't have the same standard as you, I could care less what the originals say."
    KJV1611

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Bee View Post
    Prophet, Apostle, disciple, heir, saint, ambassador, Christian, workman, sons, daughters... and maybe even terms, like, "little flock" and the church "the body of Christ"


    I like to think of identity from God's perspective.
    How is the word dispensationalist carnal, yet those terms are not? They are simply descriptors of people and doctrine. So-and-so does this so we call him that. This doctrine contains these ideas so we call it that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    How is the word dispensationalist carnal, yet those terms are not? They are simply descriptors of people and doctrine. So-and-so does this so we call him that. This doctrine contains these ideas so we call it that.
    Those words are found in scripture to identify positional truths in Christ, even the term new creature.

    Are you a dispensationalist? Do you practice or believe doctrines of dispensationalism? And/or, do you apply the method of approach right division to bible study? These are not "identities" in Christ, such as saying "I am an heir" of God through Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Bee View Post
    Those words are found in scripture to identify positional truths in Christ, even the term new creature.

    Are you a dispensationalist? Do you practice or believe doctrines of dispensationalism? And/or, do you apply the method of approach right division to bible study? These are not "identities" in Christ, such as saying "I am an heir" of God through Christ.
    I'm not a dispensationalist. I do strive to rightly divide the word of truth, but I'm certain it's not what you call right division.
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    Dispensation - the dispensing of truth (like a pez dispenser)

    God has been dispensing truth to man throughout history as God sees fit. Truth is truth, but truth for one group of people may not be as relevant to another time period. Much of the truth in the OT are shadows of the truth that is revealed in the NT. There are divisions to be made throughout the OT, and there are divisions to be made throughout the NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Adam & Eve never had the right to save themselves, either.
    Had they simply been content with what they had received from God, the issue of salvation would not have arisen. Salvation is for sinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Adam & Eve never had the right to save themselves, either.
    Actually They did not need saved before the fall. (they earned the right to be a child of God) and they had to BE SAVED after the fall (they lost the right, so they had to be given the right to become a child of God, which they did in faith (john 1: 12) by recieving Gods gift, even if they did not as we understand it completely.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Adam & Eve never earned their salvation.
    read my last past. Same applies.

    1. Before the fall. they earned the right to be a child of God (not salvation, they did not need saved)

    2. After the fall. They were given the right to be a child of God based on their faith in him, Which is NOT earning salvation. They had to be saved by the work of Christ.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey_Bee View Post
    Those words are found in scripture to identify positional truths in Christ, even the term new creature.

    Are you a dispensationalist? Do you practice or believe doctrines of dispensationalism? And/or, do you apply the method of approach right division to bible study? These are not "identities" in Christ, such as saying "I am an heir" of God through Christ.
    this is a non argument, You did not discuss the issue, you asked him if he was a dispensationalist, or if he rightly divided the word.

    the same argument could be used against you, Are you rightly dividing the word of God, or are you NOT a dispensationalist.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Eph 3: 2 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, ...

    dispensation - oikonomia - a plan which involves a set of arrangements. stewardship.

    throughout history, God has had different stewards or plans of his word given in different ways to different people.

    The church (grace) - the steward of Gods words is the church

    Israel (law) - The steward of Gods word and ways is Israel

    these are two examples of two divisions of time where Gods plan was two different things. The issue is not salvation, the issue is who is the steward and how is God relating.

    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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