Jesus wouldn't have had to die on the cross if...
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This isnt correct.
The law was given to prove how sinful we all are.
That no one was righteous not one. Even if people had obeyed every
aspect of the law (and they didnt). They would have had to
continually offer animal sacrifices because there could never have
been enough animal sacrifices to take away the sin of the world.
The law was never about making us perfect, it was about exposing how
far we had all fallen. It was about showing the holyiness of God and giving
people some idea of the seriousness of sin. The law was a temporary poor
substitute until at just the right time, Christ could come into our world.
Romans 5:18-21 NLT
[18] Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone,
but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship
with God and new life for everyone.
[19] Because one person disobeyed God, many became sinners.
But because one other person obeyed God, many will be made righteous.
[20] God's law was given so that all people could see how sinful
they were. But as people sinned more and more, God's wonderful
grace became more abundant. [21] So just as sin ruled over all
people and brought them to death, now God's wonderful grace
rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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true and further, we read this:
1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’ Hebrews 10
Actually reading right up to v18 would be good too
as you said, the law was only a temporary measure up until the 'reality' came
1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’ Hebrews 10
Actually reading right up to v18 would be good too
as you said, the law was only a temporary measure up until the 'reality' came
Actually you are wrong - Jesus obeyed the law perfectly - so it is not true that "no one could" - and he was a man and subject to all the same temptations as we are and was yet "without sin".
So is it possible for man to obey the law perfectly? Absolutely! -- Jesus did- and he was a man like you and I!
But though it is theoretically possible, no man except Jesus has ever done, and no other man will ever do it! Thus we all are guilty and condemned before God! But not because of not doing something that was impossible anyway! But we stand guilty before God because we have chosen to sin and follow our own way!
Thus - Jesus most emphatically DID need to die on the cross for us to have salvation! Amen!
So is it possible for man to obey the law perfectly? Absolutely! -- Jesus did- and he was a man like you and I!
But though it is theoretically possible, no man except Jesus has ever done, and no other man will ever do it! Thus we all are guilty and condemned before God! But not because of not doing something that was impossible anyway! But we stand guilty before God because we have chosen to sin and follow our own way!
Thus - Jesus most emphatically DID need to die on the cross for us to have salvation! Amen!
This is how you get off track often. Did you bother to stay within the context of what graceNpeace was talking about? The answer is of course "no".
You do this with Scripture as well which is why you conclude people lose salvation. You do the exact same thing; you add loss of salvation into the context and text when it was never there in the first place, then you tirade ahead as if it were there.
Contextually speaking, he (graceNpeace) wasn't speaking of Christ when he said "none could." He was speaking of mankind, not Christ. You really need to keep things in context, it will improve your understanding and comprehension and limit your several mistakes.
You do this with Scripture as well which is why you conclude people lose salvation. You do the exact same thing; you add loss of salvation into the context and text when it was never there in the first place, then you tirade ahead as if it were there.
Contextually speaking, he (graceNpeace) wasn't speaking of Christ when he said "none could." He was speaking of mankind, not Christ. You really need to keep things in context, it will improve your understanding and comprehension and limit your several mistakes.
Utter nonsense.
Too late, we're all under sin in Adam; Romans 5:12 &c.
Besides this fact, God decreed all things that come to pass, and in his divine decree there could never exist an opportunity for any other human a chance at a covenant of works, or keeping the law. The law wasn't designed as something for man to keep with a chance at earning heaven. All things God decreed as in giving the law were done in perfect omniscience.
Too late, we're all under sin in Adam; Romans 5:12 &c.
Besides this fact, God decreed all things that come to pass, and in his divine decree there could never exist an opportunity for any other human a chance at a covenant of works, or keeping the law. The law wasn't designed as something for man to keep with a chance at earning heaven. All things God decreed as in giving the law were done in perfect omniscience.
More precisely "If Adam and Eve had obeyed ONE COMMANDMENT which was not grievous" then Christ would not have had to die on the Cross. But since the whole human race is now tainted with the sin virus, there's no point bringing up a hypothetical.
And God's standard for entry into Heaven is absolute perfection -- Divine righteousness. But even if any human being could obey the Law perfectly, the issue of the penalty for sins previously committed would remain. God's justice would demand either (a) the death of the sinner or (b) the death of a sinless Substitute.
And God's standard for entry into Heaven is absolute perfection -- Divine righteousness. But even if any human being could obey the Law perfectly, the issue of the penalty for sins previously committed would remain. God's justice would demand either (a) the death of the sinner or (b) the death of a sinless Substitute.
1. From God's perspective the love and obedience of His creatures must be TESTED because they are free moral agents. So the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was "the tree of testing".
2. It would appear that if Adam and Eve had loved and obeyed God perfectly (which was not onerous for them at all, since He lavished them with everything their hearts could desire) they might have partaken of the tree of life. But that was not to be. Now that tree is in Paradise, in Heaven.
2. It would appear that if Adam and Eve had loved and obeyed God perfectly (which was not onerous for them at all, since He lavished them with everything their hearts could desire) they might have partaken of the tree of life. But that was not to be. Now that tree is in Paradise, in Heaven.