Something you might not know about Faith

[KelbyofGod]

There are 247 occurrences of the word "Faith" in the bible (I was searching KJV).

I couldn't find a reference to a corrupt variation of faith (a polluted faith, a deviant faith, an errant faith, another faith, etc). It led me to conclude that "Faith" itself cannot be corrupted...only the understanding we have of what faith actually is or isn't.

The closest things I saw to a possibility of corruption were:

1. "That which is lacking in your faith" (which sounds more to me like a shortage of, in a particular area) 1Th_3:10
2. Faith being vain (only if Jesus didn’t rise from the dead) 1 Corinthians_15:14, :17
3. Faith being dead (only if separating works from faith) James_2:17, :20, :26

Please share if you see something I didn't.

Also, I only looked at the occurrences where the original word was translated into English as "faith". Feel free to point out locations where the original word was translated as some other English word.

But please only include references to the word "Faith" or the same Greek or Hebrew root word...not words that man might think are synonymous. Thanks.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Noose]

Faith is either present or not there at all, i also think it is incorruptible. It is the mode through which we interact with God but it has levels- it can be as small as a mustard seed or big. IMO, the knowledge of God is what controls faith and that is also important. The knowledge of God determines the level of faith we have and the knowledge of God grows with hearing by the word of God.

 

[Noose]

Faith is either present or not there at all, i also think it is incorruptible. It is the mode through which we interact with God but it has levels- it can be as small as a mustard seed or big. IMO, the knowledge of God is what controls faith and that is also important. The knowledge of God determines the level of faith we have and the knowledge of God grows with hearing by the word of God.

It is important to know who this faith is applied to, you can't be faithful to someone who you don't know- the reason God has said that He has loved Israel when she was still a young girl but Israel was unfaithful, she commits adultery by worshiping idols.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Faith is either present or not there at all, i also think it is incorruptible. It is the mode through which we interact with God but it has levels- it can be as small as a mustard seed or big. IMO, the knowledge of God is what controls faith and that is also important. The knowledge of God determines the level of faith we have and the knowledge of God grows with hearing by the word of God.

Thanks for sharing.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Nehemiah6]

Please share if you see something I didn't.

1. Faith is not rocket science.

2. As the old hymn says "Trust and obey". That's all there is to faith.

3. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house (Acts 16:31)

 

[beta]

It is important to know who this faith is applied to, you can't be faithful to someone who you don't know- the reason God has said that He has loved Israel when she was still a young girl but Israel was unfaithful, she commits adultery by worshiping idols.

As she still does ''to this day...see 2Kgs ch 17....and is banished in captivity for it until she REPENTS of her sin ! changing the Sabbath for sunday is serious 'idol-worship and a great sin !

 

[beta]

It is important to know who this faith is applied to, you can't be faithful to someone who you don't know- the reason God has said that He has loved Israel when she was still a young girl but Israel was unfaithful, she commits adultery by worshiping idols.

You are so right, you can't be faithful to somebody you don't know...and Israel does not know her God the Lord of the Sabbath ! she is running after an impersonator from Rome who has nailed the Fathers Commandments to the cross making them of no effect.

 

[posthuman]

You are so right, you can't be faithful to somebody you don't know...and Israel does not know her God the Lord of the Sabbath ! she is running after an impersonator from Rome who has nailed the Fathers Commandments to the cross making them of no effect.

what percent of ethnic Jews ((the nation Israel)) are Catholic? i had difficulty finding such a statistic.

do you consider this 'worse' than outright atheism/agnosticism/a-religious belief, or total rejection of Christ ((i.e. modern orthodox Judaism))? because an Israeli who identifies as Catholic does accept Christ: they would be regarded as Messianic by any standard.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There are 247 occurrences of the word "Faith" in the bible (I was searching KJV).

I couldn't find a reference to a corrupt variation of faith (a polluted faith, a deviant faith, an errant faith, another faith, etc). It led me to conclude that "Faith" itself cannot be corrupted...only the understanding we have of what faith actually is or isn't.

The word faith is used in the bible to mean more than just believing what GOD says and hearkening to his voice (i.e., an action on our part). It also is used to indicate the gospel message, the doctrine of Christ, the way of truth. You will find those instances in the bible where the word faith is preceded by a definite article.

And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7​

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

The word translated faith is found in the Greek lexicon of the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and is defined as follows: #4102; pistis; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), *especially reliance upon Christ for salvation*; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

The word translated believe is from the greek word pisteuō which means "to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ).

I was in a discussion with a Roman Catholic who claims that the Roman Catholic church does not teach salvation by works, then afterwards, he said this below:

We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..

His argument about faith being "defined as" and INCLUDES these works above is just sugar coated double talk and equates to salvation through faith (his version of faith) + works. Roman Catholics seem to think by not teaching that justification comes through perfect obedience to the law that they are not teaching salvation by works, yet they still re-define faith and include works in the definition of faith and claim that we are saved based on accomplishing this list of works above and erroneously call that salvation through faith.

Works-salvationists in general make the same error. They take faith AND works, wrap them BOTH up in a package, then simply stamp "faith" on the package, making NO DISTINCTION between faith AND works which are produced out of faith.

 

[beta]

what percent of ethnic Jews ((the nation Israel)) are Catholic? i had difficulty finding such a statistic.

do you consider this 'worse' than outright atheism/agnosticism/a-religious belief, or total rejection of Christ ((i.e. modern orthodox Judaism))? because an Israeli who identifies as Catholic does accept Christ: they would be regarded as Messianic by any standard.

Sir, I am not talking about the Jews who are not lost. We were discussing ISRAEL who IS LOST...or do you think there were no other Isrealites than Jews ? what happened to the other 10 sons of Jacob ...who would multiply as the sand on the sea-shore ? the house of Judah and the house of Israel had been separated and were no longer one....so you can not refer to all Israel via the Jews only.
Please read 2 Kgs ch 17 and you will see the separation and what happened to each.

 

[John146]

There are 247 occurrences of the word "Faith" in the bible (I was searching KJV).

I couldn't find a reference to a corrupt variation of faith (a polluted faith, a deviant faith, an errant faith, another faith, etc). It led me to conclude that "Faith" itself cannot be corrupted...only the understanding we have of what faith actually is or isn't.

The closest things I saw to a possibility of corruption were:

1. "That which is lacking in your faith" (which sounds more to me like a shortage of, in a particular area) 1Th_3:10
2. Faith being vain (only if Jesus didn’t rise from the dead) 1 Corinthians_15:14, :17
3. Faith being dead (only if separating works from faith) James_2:17, :20, :26

Please share if you see something I didn't.

Also, I only looked at the occurrences where the original word was translated into English as "faith". Feel free to point out locations where the original word was translated as some other English word.

But please only include references to the word "Faith" or the same Greek or Hebrew root word...not words that man might think are synonymous. Thanks.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I think a better question might be, whose faith justifies? The faith of man? Or the faith of Jesus Christ?

 

[beta]

1. Faith is not rocket science.

2. As the old hymn says "Trust and obey". That's all there is to faith.

3. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house (Acts 16:31)

It matters a lot WHOM you trust and obey !!! are you talking about the jesus who is NOT Lord of the Sabbath ? obeying and worshipping an imposter is 'idolatry' !

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It matters a lot WHOM you trust and obey !!! are you talking about the jesus who is NOT Lord of the Sabbath ? obeying and worshipping an imposter is 'idolatry' !

Worshiping the sabbath is idolatry.

 

[beta]

Worshiping the sabbath is idolatry.

This is what you don't understand...the day itself is not worshipped but the time it represents is Holy to God and therefore to be kept holy....that is God's instruction...for HIS PRESENCE is in it !

but of course someone without HIS Spirit would not understand any of it because they can not hear Him .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is what you don't understand...the day itself is not worshipped but the time it represents is Holy to God and therefore to be kept holy....that is God's instruction...for HIS PRESENCE is in it !

but of course someone without HIS Spirit would not understand any of it because they can not hear Him .

He gave that law before the holy spirit was given to his people. HIS PRESENCE is within me every day.

 

[posthuman]

I think a better question might be, whose faith justifies? The faith of man? Or the faith of Jesus Christ?

What's the difference?

Faith in Christ is faith in His faithfulness. So faith in Christ is the faith of Christ.

((cuz i know, to you this is just a kjv-only point, right?))

 

[posthuman]

Sir, I am not talking about the Jews who are not lost. We were discussing ISRAEL who IS LOST...or do you think there were no other Isrealites than Jews ? what happened to the other 10 sons of Jacob ...who would multiply as the sand on the sea-shore ? the house of Judah and the house of Israel had been separated and were no longer one....so you can not refer to all Israel via the Jews only.
Please read 2 Kgs ch 17 and you will see the separation and what happened to each.

What does that have to do with 'some guy in Rome' then?

 

[John146]

What's the difference?

Faith in Christ is faith in His faithfulness. So faith in Christ is the faith of Christ.

((cuz i know, to you this is just a kjv-only point, right?))

There's a huge difference! My faith vs Christ's faith. My faith involves me stepping out in obedience to what Scripture has commanded. Christ's faith was displayed as He was completely obedient unto His Father, even unto death, the death of the cross. My justification is totally dependent upon the faith of Jesus Christ and not my weak faith.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think a better question might be, whose faith justifies? The faith of man? Or the faith of Jesus Christ?

Our faith is what justifies us. The faith of Christ is the body of doctrine of Christ, which is what saves us.