Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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And you continue to confuse the payment of the penalty for automatic forgiveness. If that were true the whole world would be deemed to be saved, no matter what they believed or not, whether they repented or not. And there is no need to raise the straw man of "legalism" in this context. Legalism is the notion that salvation is earned by "the works of the Law".
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Is that supposed to mean we don't ask for forgiveness for as many of our sins as we can ?
With that philosophy then since we cannot find and jail all murderers we should simply not jail any of them. Not a good policy to be thinking that way. You do what you can. You don't just do nothing because you cannot be perfect. That is a defeated attitude.
With that philosophy then since we cannot find and jail all murderers we should simply not jail any of them. Not a good policy to be thinking that way. You do what you can. You don't just do nothing because you cannot be perfect. That is a defeated attitude.
False. Repentance is necessary for the world (the Holy Spirit convicts them of sin, righteousness and judgement). This is how Christ being the propitiation for the sins of the world is applied to them, individually. Each and every one must repent, believe the Gospel.
Believers on the other hand, are already on the receptive side of God's grace and forgiveness that Jesus Christ attained for us through His death and resurrection (paying the penalty for our sins). We have the forgiveness of sins, as even 1 John 2 points out.
[h=1]1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.[/FONT]
Believers on the other hand, are already on the receptive side of God's grace and forgiveness that Jesus Christ attained for us through His death and resurrection (paying the penalty for our sins). We have the forgiveness of sins, as even 1 John 2 points out.
[h=1]1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.[/FONT]
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I guess you are a believer that all your sin is forgiven past, present and future. Although this may be true, it is not good thinking for one to place in the forefront of their minds. As to the spiritually immature it can welcome bad behavior as they believe it will come at no cost to them. This is very dangerous thinking as it is tempting God and not obeying Him.
There are TWO kinds of repentance: (1) the repentance of unsaved sinners and (2) the repentance of saved Christians. So since you are not aware of the latter, you should be giving serious thought to this passage which is addressed to Christians:
9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
12 Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you. (2 Cor 7:9-12)
9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
12 Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you. (2 Cor 7:9-12)
A
What if you don't approach the throne?
What if you were like King David, a murderer and unrepentant until God sent the prophet Nathan to speak to him?
Mercy means not receiving the punishment you deserve.
Grace means receiving the love you could never earn.
If you never sin after being saved, you wouldn't need mercy from God.
What if you were like King David, a murderer and unrepentant until God sent the prophet Nathan to speak to him?
Mercy means not receiving the punishment you deserve.
Grace means receiving the love you could never earn.
If you never sin after being saved, you wouldn't need mercy from God.
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Salvation is not a one time event.
It is a living relationship with our Heavenly Father.
Salvation is not a test you check yes or no too.
It is a way of life that transforms your heart and mind.
Salvation is not just about a future spent eternally with God. It is about a present spent in unceasing prayer and love for all. Love as God loves. Love that is compassionate even to those who hate us. Love that is kind, patient and true.
Salvation isn't about who you were but who God is making you to be.
Salvation isn't about what you have done but what God has done for you through Christ, not just you but the whole world.
It is a living relationship with our Heavenly Father.
Salvation is not a test you check yes or no too.
It is a way of life that transforms your heart and mind.
Salvation is not just about a future spent eternally with God. It is about a present spent in unceasing prayer and love for all. Love as God loves. Love that is compassionate even to those who hate us. Love that is kind, patient and true.
Salvation isn't about who you were but who God is making you to be.
Salvation isn't about what you have done but what God has done for you through Christ, not just you but the whole world.
Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (vs. 9) is IN CONTRAST TO - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (vs. 8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us (vs. 10). Some people misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we must confess each sin that we commit as we commit them (keep a specific inventory) as an additional requirement to remain cleansed and if we forget a sin we are toast!
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Very good Ariel. I really don't care much for this modern day attitude that says I'm saved so now I can do whatever I want and sin doesn't matter anymore. Another great thing about being under god's wing is that He makes you want to help others to the same truth you have found. And also help others with tasks. Faith makes one want to perform some works. It is truly amazing what God can do.
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I believe we should repent any sin God brings to mind and trust God to guide us always.
People often worry too much and it's a lack of faith.
God chastens His children and the fruit is righteousness.
"Confess each sin as we commit them"
How does that work?
I get the imagine if a two year old "accidently" touching the hot pot after you tell them not to as they stare you in the eye.
Sometimes the punishment is simply the pain the act of disobedience causes you.
People often worry too much and it's a lack of faith.
God chastens His children and the fruit is righteousness.
"Confess each sin as we commit them"
How does that work?
I get the imagine if a two year old "accidently" touching the hot pot after you tell them not to as they stare you in the eye.
Sometimes the punishment is simply the pain the act of disobedience causes you.
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Instead of keeping a specific inventory of sins to confess and if we forget one, we are toast, I see 1 John 1:9 as a settled matter for believers and ongoing acknowledgement that we are sinner's in need of forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ, in contrast to verses 8 and 10. Believers continue to confess "say the same thing" and then "agree, admit, acknowledge" to God sins that are committed, yet it's not about regaining justification all over again each time we commit a sin.
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lol absolute drivel
no born again Christian wants to sin
if they do whatever they want
they walk perfectly without any sin out of love
youre speaking of someone who isnt made new
not an adopted child of God
(comes with new heart and spirit)
assurance in Gods promises does not = license to sin
anyone who claims this is either not made new
or lying about Gods grace
anyways
mr.93
it is amazing what God can do
you should seek the truth of what it means to be kept by the power of God
(for the record... those who have recieved a new heart and spirit from God are saved... and this does not change... His sheep remain His sheep)
no born again Christian wants to sin
if they do whatever they want
they walk perfectly without any sin out of love
youre speaking of someone who isnt made new
not an adopted child of God
(comes with new heart and spirit)
assurance in Gods promises does not = license to sin
anyone who claims this is either not made new
or lying about Gods grace
anyways
mr.93
it is amazing what God can do
you should seek the truth of what it means to be kept by the power of God
(for the record... those who have recieved a new heart and spirit from God are saved... and this does not change... His sheep remain His sheep)
A
It goes back to the distinction between justification and sanctification.
I ask...do we truly believe God has forgiven us?
When we hurt others, do we ask for their forgiveness?
Do you know the Psalm that says "to you alone have I sinned O Lord"
I would reword the OP to ask:
Should Christians repent and makes amends to those they harm every time God chastens them for their sins?
I ask...do we truly believe God has forgiven us?
When we hurt others, do we ask for their forgiveness?
Do you know the Psalm that says "to you alone have I sinned O Lord"
I would reword the OP to ask:
Should Christians repent and makes amends to those they harm every time God chastens them for their sins?
Nope - I recognized every bit of the verse - maybe you should take the time to slowly read the verse. I believe the verse says GOOD OR BAD . . . Notice it doesn't just say "good" as you highlighted.
The question remains - things done in the body - good or bad . . . . IF all future sins are automatically forgiven - then what "bad" is there to judge?
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There are two judgment seats
1 for believers (called the "Bema Seat" Where a believer is given reward or seen their works burnt in fire, yet he himself will still be saved
2. For unbelievers, those in hades, Also called the great white throne. Where people are delivered to christ, Not raised by him, and all who appear are cast into hell
Non of the judgments has anything to do with sin, the sin debt was paid.
He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already BECAUSE he has not believed (not because he has sinned)
1 for believers (called the "Bema Seat" Where a believer is given reward or seen their works burnt in fire, yet he himself will still be saved
2. For unbelievers, those in hades, Also called the great white throne. Where people are delivered to christ, Not raised by him, and all who appear are cast into hell
Non of the judgments has anything to do with sin, the sin debt was paid.
He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already BECAUSE he has not believed (not because he has sinned)
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the word confess does not mean to ask forgiveness, or to beg for Gods mercy
The word confess means to state out the sin.
A person who broke a fine goes to court, he confesses that crime, He confesses yes he did it, or he declares his innocence.
Confessing admits guilt. it is not asking forgiveness, Forgiveness (payment) was already completed on calvary.
The word confess means to state out the sin.
A person who broke a fine goes to court, he confesses that crime, He confesses yes he did it, or he declares his innocence.
Confessing admits guilt. it is not asking forgiveness, Forgiveness (payment) was already completed on calvary.
B...,
You need to understand [FONT="]sequential[/FONT] application here.....sin confession is a must;
Yes Christ on the cross made forgiveness available to us thru His grace...but, we are required to ask for forgiveness as we sin.... for it to be available for us.
Example...The Lord's prayer...."forgive us of our tress passes as we forgive those who tress pass against us". Those words are not there just to add length to the prayer.
You need to understand [FONT="]sequential[/FONT] application here.....sin confession is a must;
Yes Christ on the cross made forgiveness available to us thru His grace...but, we are required to ask for forgiveness as we sin.... for it to be available for us.
Example...The Lord's prayer...."forgive us of our tress passes as we forgive those who tress pass against us". Those words are not there just to add length to the prayer.