Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

Lewiz · Apr 20, 2018

And I would ask you this question.............

How can a christian partake of communion unworthily if they're forever forgiven?

1Cor 11:27Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.30That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.[SUP]h[/SUP]31But if we judged[SUP]i[/SUP]ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined[SUP]j[/SUP] so that we may not be condemned along with the world.

BenFTW · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

People were eating and getting drunk at Corinth. They weren't discerning the Lord's body. This is a matter of belief, and to take communion unworthily is to take it without discerning the Lord's body (1 Corinthians 11:29). His flesh and blood are symbolized in the bread and wine, and it is through His flesh and blood that healing and the forgiveness of sin has been made available to us.

This isn't discerning our own body, but examining ourselves as having discerned the Lord's body. Taking communion in remembrance of Christ, and all that He did for us and accomplished for us through His flesh and blood.

1 Corinthians 11:29 King James Version (KJV)

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

How much damnation/judgement do we endure as a result of not walking in what Christ purchased for us, through His blood shed? People stay sick, die, and get weak having not seen that the promises of God through Jesus Christ are "Yes" and "Amen." This is discerning His body, having faith in Him, and receiving from God what it is He has given us through our Lord.

Notice that God chastens these believers, so that they will not be condemned with the world? There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Its not as if the believers were unworthy to take it (as if they had sin), but they were taking it unworthily by not discerning the Lord's body (flesh and blood, their significance).

Katy-follower · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

You forgot to highlight V32: "But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world"

Right there we have confirmation that the judgment spoken of is not condemnation, but is speaking of chastening of a believer.

This flows perfectly (as the scriptures should) with Romans 8, which says there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. He meant what He said... no condemnation. Why is it so hard for so many to accept this truth? God is immutable. He is not a man that He should lie or change His mind!! (Numbers 23:19).

SovereignGrace · Apr 20, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Hmmm, rather odd question you ask there, mon ami.

Repentance is a change of man, yes, I agree with that. But that's not all that it is. You can change your mind, but it also has to be put into action. Ppl can admit they're thieves, but unless they act upon it, they will not change.

Every morning when I lay down after coming home from work, when I lay down, I pray for God's forgiveness of my sins I have committed from the last time I asked for His forgiveness.

So yes, I have repented, and I repent daily.

BenFTW · Apr 20, 2018

SovereignGrace said:

You are correct, being sorry isn't the same thing as repentance. While repentance is a change of mind, such a change of mind results in a change of action (necessarily, as you've changed your mind and thought precedes action). So if someone repents from a sin, for example, they understand how God sees that sin. They too ask the Lord to give them victory in this area of struggle. They approach the throne of grace in time of need, for mercy and grace, and the escape to resist temptation.

Notice, however, forgiveness is not sought. Sanctification is. The Holy Spirit teaches us through the Word of God who we are, what is ours in Christ Jesus, and what He has made us. It is through these revelations we continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, and learn of God's grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness. We are new creations. We are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. No longer slaves to sin but righteousness. Using our members, our bodies, for righteousness.

Sin confession for forgiveness doesn't equal repentance (as a believer). As a believer we come from a place of forgiveness, and of no condemnation being able to enter God's presence boldly, and yet humbly. From a place of gratitude, and it is then that we may acknowledge where we have fallen short, and ask the Lord to help us in such an area. To give us understanding, wisdom and knowledge in addressing where we may be weak.

SovereignGrace · Apr 20, 2018

BenFTW said:

This thread reeks of some sort of 'Andy Stanleyism'. I'll explain.

Several months ago, Andy Stanley stated that we don't believe in the resurrection of the Christ via the scriptures, but via Matthew's first hand witness of this most glorious event. However, w/o the scriptures, we would know nothing of our Christ's resurrection.

I see the same sort of artsy-fartsy, cutting edge, ideology being espoused in this thread from various members. They are trying to distance themselves from what our forefathers believed and taught, and was proven and trusted to be true. But today's church wants to stray from the safe harbor of scriptures, and make it look fresh, brand new, cutting edge, artsy-fartsy, "look at what I'm saying," &c.

Our forefathers would have never advocated this notion that we don't need to repent of our sins, even post-conversion.

You mentioned sanctification. Sanctification is a one-time event at the point of salvation, but it is also a life-long process of being shaped and molded more into the image of our Christ. If we need to be continually on the Potter's wheel, then I see a most imperfect vessel being continually shaped and molded. Why do we need to be continually shaped and molded? Sin. When we sin, we realize its an affront to our God. It grieves me that I have sinned against Him. I am sorry that I have sinned against a thrice holy God.

Now, if others feel no need to feel sorry, and also not have a change of mind post-conversion, its none of my business.

Then EG mentioned he confessed his sins. Great, so do those in the RCC. Does their confession get them anywhere? No. Unless one expresses remorse when they repent, how does that show they're truly sorry for what they did?

Confession w/o contrition = squat.

SovereignGrace · Apr 20, 2018

Do Christians have to keep asking for forgiveness for their sins?

Question: "Do Christians have to keep asking for forgiveness for their sins?"

Answer: A frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption. Salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness. When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43).

What we are to do is confess our sins: “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). What this verse tells us to do is “confess” our sins to God. The word “confess” means “to agree with.” When we confess our sins to God, we are agreeing with God that we were wrong, that we have sinned. God forgives us, through confession, on an ongoing basis because of the fact that He is “faithful and just.” How is God “faithful and just”? He is faithful by forgiving sins, which He has promised to do for all those who receive Christ as Savior. He is just by applying Christ’s payment for our sins, recognizing that the sins have indeed been atoned for.

At the same time, 1 John 1:9 does indicate that somehow forgiveness is dependent on our confessing our sins to God. How does this work if all of our sins are forgiven the moment we receive Christ as Savior? It seems that what the apostle John is describing here is “relational” forgiveness. All of our sins are forgiven “positionally” the moment we receive Christ as Savior. This positional forgiveness guarantees our salvation and promise of an eternal home in heaven. When we stand before God after death, God will not deny us entrance into heaven because of our sins. That is positional forgiveness. The concept of relational forgiveness is based on the fact that when we sin, we offend God and grieve His Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). While God has ultimately forgiven us of the sins we commit, they still result in a blocking or hindrance in our relationship with God. A young boy who sins against his father is not cast out of the family. A godly father will forgive his children unconditionally. At the same time, a good relationship between father and son cannot be achieved until the relationship is restored. This can only occur when a child confesses his mistakes to his father and apologizes. That is why we confess our sins to God—not to maintain our salvation, but to bring ourselves back into close fellowship with the God who loves us and has already forgiven us.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-sin.html

SovereignGrace · Apr 20, 2018

Apostle Paul, post-salvation...

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[SUP] [/SUP]For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.[SUP] [/SUP]So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[SUP] [/SUP]a slave to the law of sin.[Romans 7:14-25]

Apostle Paul was grieved that he sinned. He grieved, he showed remorse, he showed sorrow of the sin in his life. We all should emulate this.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

Do you understand what a "DESCRIPTION" is. It means it is a description of someone or something, In rom 8:1. Paul is saying there is now therefor no more condemnation to those who are in christ. Then he describes who these people are. "who do not walk after the flesh" ie, they do not live a lifestyle of walking after the flesh, they are new creatures. Do we sin? Yes, When we sin, what is our issue? We followed the flesh not the spirit. But that is not WALKING in the flesh. Walking in the flesh is a lifestyle.

As John said in his epistle. one who sins (walks in the flesh) has never seen god or known him, whoever is born of God can not sin (live a lifetyle of sin or walk in the flesh) because he has been born of God.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

A christian (true) has not rejected the gospel. so your argument is flawed

A true christian does not backslide to death, A true christian is chastened by God, and God leaves the whole flock to go get them, and they hear his voice and return.

Only fake Christians walk away. and stay away

eternally-gratefull · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

Yet Jesus died for that sin, so they will not go to hell for that sin;

Unbelief is the sin which condemns people.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 20, 2018

Lewiz said:

All I can say is this, Maybe you have not experienced Gods love Gods true forgiveness? How dare you attack what I have experienced in my life and witnessed in so many other peoples lives. WHo are you to judge where people come from?

I am not talking about sin dude, Sin does not condemn a child of God. UNBELIEF DOES. How many times do you have to be told that?

I do not walk in sin for the following reasons

1. I realised 40 years ago what sin did to me
2. I realised God was my only hope
3. I EXPERIENCED GODS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS (and have since many times over)
4. I have been tried, and experienced how futile it is to live a life trying to take care of my own needs (sin)
5. I have experienced how GREAT life is when I do what God says (I learn more and more every day how truthful andf faithful God is)
6. I have witnessed and seen people fall into sin and the damage it does.

You want to judge, Judge yourself! You have bought into satans lie, that grace is a means to increase sin and excuse it, Well listen here, You have no idea what grace is or what it does to a person, if you did, you would not say the things you do. You want to live in religion, feel free. But expect to be apposed when you try to bring others down that path with you.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 20, 2018

SovereignGrace said:

Thats like the argument with James.

if one has true faith, they will work, it is not a question, true faith works

if one has true repentance, they will show faith, which in turn will show works. because one who sincerely and truly changed his or her mind will change to match their new belief system.

what I fear is religion has made repent into a religious word and not taken its meaning and twisted it. They make it mean feel sorry for. to beg forgiveness, to promise to never do it again (don't make promises, you most likely will not keep them) or I promise to do better (again do not make promises)

Repentance is like this, (an example) As a non believer, you feel it is ok to sleep with your GF, You have to test drive a car don't you, why would you not test drive your potential wife. so you disagree with god that fornication is a sin. WHen you repent you change you view, You realize it is a sin, It is a sin against your body (and hers) that if you loved her you would never do this to her.

now a few years later you and that girl broke up. and you have a new GF. And temptation comes, and you fall and end up sleeping with her. DO you repent again? How can you? Did you change your mind (repent)again and say fornication is not a sin? NO!..You fell to temptation, and sinned,

Thus you can not repent again, (as many churches demand you do) What you do is you go to the throne of grace and CONFESS your sin, (1 john 1: 9)

I hope this helps.

Budman · Apr 20, 2018

SovereignGrace said:

Okay, let me state exactly what I believe.

First and foremost, I believe salvation is a gift from God, available by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone. I believe all sins, past, present, and future were not only paid for, but completely forgiven through the shed blood of Jesus.

Good works can neither earn nor retain salvation. Works do not justify us before God in any way - they justify us only before men as a testament to what we believe. Good works are also the basis for rewards, or lack thereof, at the Judgment seat of Christ.

Unbelief to the point of death is what damns a person. At death, the decision to reject Christ is sealed for eternity. There are no second chances after death.

I believe we sin because we still have the flesh nature with which to contend - the "Old Man" which wars against our new nature in Christ. While indeed we still sin, Christ took the punishment for those sins and in exchange imputed His righteousness, His holiness, sinlessness, and perfection to our account. When the Father looks upon us, that new nature - the nature of His Son - is the one He sees.

If we have any sins left in our account, any sins yet unforgiven attributable to us, we cannot be saved. The Bible says without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Jesus would have to come back and shed more blood to expunge those sins, yet the Bible says His sacrifice was once for all time - never to be repeated.

As God now judges us perfect in His sight, there can be no loss of fellowship due to bad behavior on the part of the Christian. God will certainly chastise a believer for correction, but not on the basis of any sin-debt, but as a means to teach.

If we are required to do anything beyond belief/trust in Christ for salvation, or retention thereof, it becomes a work, an opportunity for boasting, and negates it as a gift.

I am not advocating sinless perfectionism - the belief that one can reach a state where they no longer sin. We will sin until the day we die. What I advocate is that our sins are no longer attributed to us - no longer in our account. We can never be condemned for sins that, as far as God is concerned, are nonexistent.

Since salvation is a gift, we can never lose it. It cannot be taken away, nor can we "return" it. Jesus said we are held in His, and the Father's, hands, and nothing in all creation can snatch us out - not even ourselves, as we are, created beings. Nor can the seal of the Holy Spirit ever be broken.

I hope this clarifies things.

RickyZ · Apr 20, 2018

1ofthem said:

That's interesting because there have been plenty of them given.

Straight answers that is.

Answers everyone will agree on?

Not gonna happen here!

UnderGrace · Apr 20, 2018

Repent/Metanoia means to change one's mind, in the fullness of the word it is a herald cry to a new way ...the new way is completed by Christ Jesus.

The word "metanoia" has no meaning of feeling sorrow, pain or suffering in its meaning.

I changed my mind/metanoia when I was born again.

I was born again because I changed my mind/metanoia about trying to save myself and believed on the one who offered salvation as a free gift.

So when I sin I am not called to change my mind about that sin, justification is not progressive it is a one time event but we do need to learn to live in the justified/sanctified declared position.

1ofthem said:

Lewiz · Apr 20, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

There's not a single epistle written to sinners. That's what the Gospels are for.

And you're right....... anyone with an ounce of discernment should see that.

Maybe some people need a sticker on them, like ingredients, saying "less than 2% of the following: discernment, understanding, etc."

Lewiz · Apr 20, 2018

BenFTW said:

People were eating and getting drunk at Corinth. They weren't discerning the Lord's body. This is a matter of belief, and to take communion unworthily is to take it without discerning the Lord's body (1 Corinthians 11:29). His flesh and blood are symbolized in the bread and wine, and it is through His flesh and blood that healing and the forgiveness of sin has been made available to us.

This isn't discerning our own body, but examining ourselves as having discerned the Lord's body. Taking communion in remembrance of Christ, and all that He did for us and accomplished for us through His flesh and blood.

1 Corinthians 11:29 King James Version (KJV)

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

How much damnation/judgement do we endure as a result of not walking in what Christ purchased for us, through His blood shed? People stay sick, die, and get weak having not seen that the promises of God through Jesus Christ are "Yes" and "Amen." This is discerning His body, having faith in Him, and receiving from God what it is He has given us through our Lord.

Notice that God chastens these believers, so that they will not be condemned with the world? There is no condemnation in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Its not as if the believers were unworthy to take it (as if they had sin), but they were taking it unworthily by not discerning the Lord's body (flesh and blood, their significance).

EVERYTHING you described is not discerning the Lord's body like you said.

But after it's all said & done, it's still sin that has a proven judgment to it.

Which means God was holding them accountable for their unforgiven sin.

Lewiz · Apr 20, 2018

Katy-follower said:

You forgot to highlight V32: "But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world"

Right there we have confirmation that the judgment spoken of is not condemnation, but is speaking of chastening of a believer.

This flows perfectly (as the scriptures should) with Romans 8, which says there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. He meant what He said... no condemnation. Why is it so hard for so many to accept this truth? God is immutable. He is not a man that He should lie or change His mind!! (Numbers 23:19).

It's true we're chastened for our sins, but that doesn't guarantee we all will turn around & repent for it.

Lewiz · Apr 20, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

We have pasted over & over scriptures about christians falling away & you keep ignoring them.

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