Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[eternally-gratefull]

yea that line of thinking means you live the way you want to and sin and God endorcs your willful sining . Because I am saved to do what ever I want and live the way I want.

same old strawman, whatever dude, i am done with this discussion, you just slandered me with a lie, and you slanderd a group of people in another thread with a lie

if your not going to listen to what people say, but just try to push what you hink they believe down their throat, then i must ask, why are you here? Like those before you, it us not to discuss the word of god because if you were, you would not twist what people say and slander them lime you have just done here today,

you saw many people walk away from God because they did not have or were given the full word of God . Forgiveness is something we have , and HIS Mercy is new to us each day.

no i saw people walk away from god because of peiple like you who preached confess or elsem and never tought how to overcome the sin.

i gave an example of a lie, and showed the root, that was what is i portant, what sins did you commit, and why, now that we have established and confessed those sins to god, lets see what we can do to help you be healed of those sins, so you can learn to live not take.

I wish you were able to qoute one scripture to your point. Yet two threads and not even one.

read 1John 1 and Heb 10:26 and Matt 6-7

Scripture? I did, confess your sins to one another so you may be healed, don’t you recognise scripture?

i also used 2 passages from paul, about gid not given us the spirit if fear but sound mind, and the other the spirit if adoptuon where y we cry out abba father.

and i used no bible?



you do not believe in eternal security do you. (I did. Ot say osas, i said eternal security, correct me if i am wrong, and you do not believe salvation can be lost)

those verses do not prove your point, anyone can post scripture, thhey do it all the time thinking it supports them when it does not.

 

[CS1]

One of the problems in this discussion is what is meant by confession:

Biblically confession does not mean "to say the right words".

The literal meaning of the Greek word is "to say the same thing as" - hence it means "to agree with God".

the meaning of the word Confess and the Authorial intent can be two differnt things. in 1 John 1:9

1John 1:9
“ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Confess is a verb and it is is to contextually to confess, i.e. to admit or declare one's self guilty of what one is accused of when this has happen the Person we are saying this too God is our Sin that is what we are confessing Contextually. when we do that God is faithful and Just to forgive . If you are unwilling to ask for forgiveness for a sin you know you did when the word of God encourages to do so then it would appear there is an issue with that person(s) relationship.

God call us to repent . If out life we live before me is not one lived in reverence for God and think we do not have to ask forgiveness for knowingly sin. That is foolishness. The trap and unbiblical humanistic question of
Required to preserves ones salvation is not the context of asking forgiveness . it is reverence, respect, and love to a God we profess to know and love. IF you know you sinned and do not ask forgivness and know that you have sinned and you think you can Prostitute the grace of God that is a very sad and unbiblicaloutlook of asking God to forgive. LOL My Lord think that a Christian would argueagainst asking God to forgive of a sinyou have committed as a Christian and knowing did so. With the mindset Why do I even need to HE has already forgiven me. That is a dangerous mindset.

 

[Cee]

One of the problems in this discussion is what is meant by confession:

Biblically confession does not mean "to say the right words".

The literal meaning of the Greek word is "to say the same thing as" - hence it means "to agree with God".

I love that you brought this up, I believe confession is to agree that we are forgiven, we are whole, and we are free of sin. We are a righteous and holy people in Him. Sure, a legitimate expression may be that we discuss what we did wrong, but the biggest issue is that we be cleansed from all unrighteousness that's what caused us to sin in the first place, imo. That's why I believe we need a deeper understanding of what it means to repent. As I've written in other places. It's changing our way of thinking about God and His ways.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Remembwr folks. If you come to god in grace to confess, as your abba father, for healing, but not to maintain your salvation, your, how was it put? Live any way you want, and God endorces our sin,

 

[NoNameMcgee]

the meaning of the word Confess and the Authorial intent can be two differnt things. in 1 John 1:9

1John 1:9
“ If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Confess is a verb and it is is to contextually to confess, i.e. to admit or declare one's self guilty of what one is accused of when this has happen the Person we are saying this too God is our Sin that is what we are confessing Contextually. when we do that God is faithful and Just to forgive . If you are unwilling to ask for forgiveness for a sin you know you did when the word of God encourages to do so then it would appear there is an issue with that person(s) relationship.

God call us to repent . If out life we live before me is not one lived in reverence for God and think we do not have to ask forgiveness for knowingly sin. That is foolishness. The trap and unbiblical humanistic question of
Required to preserves ones salvation is not the context of asking forgiveness . it is reverence, respect, and love to a God we profess to know and love. IF you know you sinned and do not ask forgivness and know that you have sinned and you think you can Prostitute the grace of God that is a very sad and unbiblicaloutlook of asking God to forgive. LOL My Lord think that a Christian would argueagainst asking God to forgive of a sinyou have committed as a Christian and knowing did so. With the mindset Why do I even need to HE has already forgiven me. That is a dangerous mindset.

i have no idea what you believe from what you post

i dont know if you believe in works salvation

or if you believe God saves all of His children by grace through faith

if you believe a genuine faith endures

if you believe God is decieved by those without a genuine faith


your posts to me are vague and unclear


i cant even tell if you can say you believe this without adding to or taking away from it

vv

John 3
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




(not trying to accuse you or be offensive)

 

[CS1]

Remembwr folks. If you come to god in grace to confess, as your abba father, for healing, but not to maintain your salvation, your, how was it put? Live any way you want, and God endorces our sin,

from John Mac


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. —1 John 1:9
That is one of the first verses many new Christians memorize — and rightly so. It holds forth the comforting promise of forgiveness and cleansing for all of us who have struggled with guilt in this sin-stained world. Yet there are some today who, because they fail to comprehend the extent of divine forgiveness, deny the clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 and teach other to do the same. They say that to pray for forgiveness reveals unbelief. After all, a healthy Christian doesn't experience guilt because he understands Christ's total forgiveness. Why seek forgiveness when you already have it?

Cs1: hmm funny I heard that before on this thread.
John mac:
The Bible clearly teaches that Christians should seek forgiveness. Consider this:
- In each one of the penitential psalms (Ps. 6; 32; 38; 51; 102; 130; 143), the psalmist is demonstrating the heart of a justified believer when he seeks forgiveness. In each case the psalmist is already a believer, fully forgiven.
- In the gospels, Christ taught believers to ask the Father to forgive their sins (Matt. 6:12; Mark 11:25; Luke 11:4). Some of those to whom He spoke were already born again. In 1 John 1, the verb tenses show that confession and forgiveness should be a continuous experience. Verse 7 literally reads, "The blood of Jesus His Son keeps cleansing us from all sin," and verse 9 likewise says, "If we are continually confessing our sins." Those to whom John wrote were already fully forgiven believers (cf. 5:13).

WOW John Mac even used Biblical text to support his understanding , of this topic. can you do the same please ?

 

[CS1]

i have no idea what you believe from what you post

i dont know if you believe in works salvation

or if you believe God saves all of His children by grace through faith

if you believe a genuine faith endures

if you believe God is decieved by those without a genuine faith


your posts to me are vague and unclear


i cant even tell if you can say you believe this without adding to or taking away from it

vv

John 3
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




(not trying to accuse you or be offensive)

I respect your question how about I am not in the camp of the false Narrative of those who say you do not as a Christian need to ask for forgiveness and I am not in the camp of works to keep your salvation.
you do understand that both of those points are created out of Pride and as you can see not supportered by any Bible . ONE big Doughnut in any Biblical refernce none. Just look.

NOw John Mac I think was correct in his comment here

"Yet there are some today who, because they fail to comprehend the extent of divine forgiveness, deny the clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 and teach other to do the same.

They say that to pray for forgiveness reveals unbelief.

After all, a healthy Christian doesn't experience guilt because he understands Christ's total forgiveness. Why seek forgiveness when you already have it?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I respect your question how about I am not in the camp of the false Narrative of those who say you do not as a Christian need to ask for forgiveness and I am not in the camp of works to keep your salvation.
you do understand that both of those points are created out of Pride and as you can see not supportered by any Bible . ONE big Doughnut in any Biblical refernce none. Just look.

NOw John Mac I think was correct in his comment here

"Yet there are some today who, because they fail to comprehend the extent of divine forgiveness, deny the clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 and teach other to do the same.

They say that to pray for forgiveness reveals unbelief.

After all, a healthy Christian doesn't experience guilt because he understands Christ's total forgiveness. Why seek forgiveness when you already have it?

personally i have asked for forgiveness even just yesterday

but this wasnt because i didnt think i stopped having the imputed righteousness of Jesus

i believe that a born again child of God becomes His child upon the moment of GENUINE faith in Him by His grace

and i believe that no
i would not need to ask for forgiveness to remain saved

i am sealed and kept by the power of God

when i am judged i will be righteous because Jesus is righteous and His righteousness will be imputed to me no matter what

but my heart hurts when i sin

it is a new God given heart

and even when i have thoughts that are not good i feel bad

let alone do anything sinful in action



sometimes i may ask for forgiveness
before i say sorry

or i may not ask for forgiveness

i may just say-sorry and thank you and pray for deliverance and strength and admit how much i need Him

acknowledge how weak and unworthy i am of His amazing mercy

admit His love is so great that there is no way i could deserve it

so even when i ask for forgiveness because im not perfect and in my prayers sometimes im just a babbling mess if it is because i did something i shouldnt have

am i SEEKING IT?

well i am already forgiven if i am born again
i have already repented from unbelief

and God is working a greater repentance in me



i do not believe it is possible for me to lose my salvation

i do not believe no matter what work i choose to do from this point out i can even potentially lose my status as His son

but that does not mean as a new creature i can sin and not feel ashamed

it is the opposite



3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

 

[Cee]

I agree, I don't believe I have to ask for forgiveness, but I choose to because I desire greater relationship with God. I even pray things like if I've done anything I don't know I've done. It's not religious for me because I simply just want to be so pure before Him and see Him with new eyes.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

personally i have asked for forgiveness even just yesterday

but this wasnt because i didnt think i stopped having the imputed righteousness of Jesus

i believe that a born again child of God becomes His child upon the moment of GENUINE faith in Him by His grace

and i believe that no
i would not need to ask for forgiveness to remain saved

i am sealed and kept by the power of God

when i am judged i will be righteous because Jesus is righteous and His righteousness will be imputed to me no matter what

but my heart hurts when i sin

it is a new God given heart

and even when i have thoughts that are not good i feel bad

let alone do anything sinful in action



sometimes i may ask for forgiveness
before i say sorry

or i may not ask for forgiveness

i may just say-sorry and thank you and pray for deliverance and strength and admit how much i need Him

acknowledge how weak and unworthy i am of His amazing mercy

admit His love is so great that there is no way i could deserve it

so even when i ask for forgiveness because im not perfect and in my prayers sometimes im just a babbling mess if it is because i did something i shouldnt have

am i SEEKING IT?

well i am already forgiven if i am born again
i have already repented from unbelief

and God is working a greater repentance in me



i do not believe it is possible for me to lose my salvation

i do not believe no matter what work i choose to do from this point out i can even potentially lose my status as His son

but that does not mean as a new creature i can sin and not feel ashamed

it is the opposite



3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

but for the record

i dont think it is an insult to His grace to ask for forgiveness

He knows our heart

if we are His children i feel like its the same as saying sorry dad....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

from John Mac


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. —1 John 1:9
That is one of the first verses many new Christians memorize — and rightly so. It holds forth the comforting promise of forgiveness and cleansing for all of us who have struggled with guilt in this sin-stained world. Yet there are some today who, because they fail to comprehend the extent of divine forgiveness, deny the clear teaching of 1 John 1:9 and teach other to do the same. They say that to pray for forgiveness reveals unbelief. After all, a healthy Christian doesn't experience guilt because he understands Christ's total forgiveness. Why seek forgiveness when you already have it?

Cs1: hmm funny I heard that before on this thread.
John mac:
The Bible clearly teaches that Christians should seek forgiveness. Consider this:
- In each one of the penitential psalms (Ps. 6; 32; 38; 51; 102; 130; 143), the psalmist is demonstrating the heart of a justified believer when he seeks forgiveness. In each case the psalmist is already a believer, fully forgiven.
- In the gospels, Christ taught believers to ask the Father to forgive their sins (Matt. 6:12; Mark 11:25; Luke 11:4). Some of those to whom He spoke were already born again. In 1 John 1, the verb tenses show that confession and forgiveness should be a continuous experience. Verse 7 literally reads, "The blood of Jesus His Son keeps cleansing us from all sin," and verse 9 likewise says, "If we are continually confessing our sins." Those to whom John wrote were already fully forgiven believers (cf. 5:13).

WOW John Mac even used Biblical text to support his understanding , of this topic. can you do the same please ?

I used three verses (at least) to show how we can go to god, not through fear, but as a loving father and confess our sins to him,

and your still going to outright lie and say i do not post verses,

what a joke man, what a joke,

 

[NoNameMcgee]

personally i have asked for forgiveness even just yesterday

but this wasnt because i didnt think i stopped having the imputed righteousness of Jesus

i believe that a born again child of God becomes His child upon the moment of GENUINE faith in Him by His grace

and i believe that no
i would not need to ask for forgiveness to remain saved

i am sealed and kept by the power of God

when i am judged i will be righteous because Jesus is righteous and His righteousness will be imputed to me no matter what

but my heart hurts when i sin

it is a new God given heart

and even when i have thoughts that are not good i feel bad

let alone do anything sinful in action



sometimes i may ask for forgiveness
before i say sorry

or i may not ask for forgiveness

i may just say-sorry and thank you and pray for deliverance and strength and admit how much i need Him

acknowledge how weak and unworthy i am of His amazing mercy

admit His love is so great that there is no way i could deserve it

so even when i ask for forgiveness because im not perfect and in my prayers sometimes im just a babbling mess if it is because i did something i shouldnt have

am i SEEKING IT?

well i am already forgiven if i am born again
i have already repented from unbelief

and God is working a greater repentance in me



i do not believe it is possible for me to lose my salvation

i do not believe no matter what work i choose to do from this point out i can even potentially lose my status as His son

but that does not mean as a new creature i can sin and not feel ashamed

it is the opposite



3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

whoops i made a mistake

:/


i meant it wasnt because i thought

not i didnt think


i used double negatives and went against my point

 

[joaniemarie]

but for the record

i dont think it is an insult to His grace to ask for forgiveness

He knows our heart

if we are His children i feel like its the same as saying sorry dad....

I agree with you here. Our family comes from a long line of Irish / Polish Catholics who made a major ISSUE out of confession. So much so it is one of the sacraments. There is even a little wooden box much like a phone booth in the back of the church (or there used to be years ago)


We would go there as children once a week to confess our sins to clear up everything between us and God so we can make sure our chances for heaven were still not impossible. Taught this from a very young age.


What we were taught is that once you go in there., you tell the priest your sins and he gives you "absolution" He absolves you of your sin. But unless you go to the priest and make it "official" each time., you are not forgiven.


AND should you die before seeing the priest., you would go to purgatory (a holding place between heaven and hell somewhere) and your family or friends had to pray you out. Yeesshhh who could stand? Might as well camp outside of the rectory., buy some real estate.


Mortal and venial sins are different kinds of sins., mortal being worse than venial... can't go to heaven with a mortal sin on your soul ., and not sure if anyone can pray you out of that just once. (not sure I don't remember the details) I just know that the mortal sins were major and hellish.


But anyway., this sort of belief system is not Biblical. We are forgiven 100% and there is no sin between us and God that is NOT forgiven. We are "the forgiven-the REDEEMED" Jesus is our Great High Priest who daily makes intercession for us. He is our living Savior who will never die., never fail to stand between us and God. He is our right standing.


We do not need to buy real estate outside the church. We ARE His workmanship created IN Christ Jesus. This answers the question for me about confession of sin.

 

[Chester]

i have no idea what you believe from what you post

i dont know if you believe in works salvation

or if you believe God saves all of His children by grace through faith

if you believe a genuine faith endures

if you believe God is decieved by those without a genuine faith


your posts to me are vague and unclear


i cant even tell if you can say you believe this without adding to or taking away from it

vv

John 3
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




(not trying to accuse you or be offensive)

LOL! I have felt the exact same way about your posts sometimes - . . . but am trying to learn to understand you way of approaching and saying things . . . . CS1 - I get what he is trying to say - but he goes around the bush the opposite way I do to say the same thing . . . LOL!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

LOL! I have felt the exact same way about your posts sometimes - . . . but am trying to learn to understand you way of approaching and saying things . . . . CS1 - I get what he is trying to say - but he goes around the bush the opposite way I do to say the same thing . . . LOL!

i think i have a problem of trying to be detailed so i can be understood clearly

and i end up using so many words

unless you follow the whole way my point is lost

sometimes i should proof read my posts and maybe make them shorter and more direct

if you ever dont understand exactly what my point is ill be happy to try again

 

[PennEd]

I am very curious to hear from those that think you DO have to ask forgiveness every time you sin what happens if you don't.

Are you no longer a child of God? What is He going to do to you if you die with uncompressed sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am very curious to hear from those that think you DO have to ask forgiveness every time you sin what happens if you don't.

Are you no longer a child of God? What is He going to do to you if you die with uncompressed sin?

that was my argument to begin with, amen brother. I would like to know also

 

[Musicus]

I am very curious to hear from those that think you DO have to ask forgiveness every time you sin what happens if you don't.

Are you no longer a child of God? What is He going to do to you if you die with uncompressed sin?

You meant unconfessed, right? I think confession and forgiveness are required:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

I haven't seen scripture requiring the asking of forgiveness each time. I do it most times though, and I'm not really sure why. Extreme guilt maybe? Better safe than sorry? Like when I was a teenager and wrecked my dad's car I managed to squeak out a feeble "I'm sorry, please forgive me?" even though deep down I knew I already was forgiven, so maybe it was more a cry for mercy than forgiveness, like being grounded for only 2 weeks instead of 2 years.

Seems to me that first verse means the forgiveness is automatic with the confession and repentance. If this is so, then isn't asking for it a sign of my lack of faith? If this is not so, and I forget to include a forgiveness request with my confession, I believe God forgives that too.

As for dying unconfessed: I used to wonder what God did about people who forgot sins they committed and died unforgiven. There's a verse, I can't find it now, that says the Holy Spirit is with us to also bring to our remembrance our sins, something to that effect. It seems we have no excuse for not knowing of these? I think this is just a technicality and God can forgive those if He judges that way, and I base this on Romans 9:14-16 (NIV)

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

But if we really don't remember, i'ts these sins I think that, if not required, than at least a real good idea, to ask forgiveness for them.

 

[Chester]

I am very curious to hear from those that think you DO have to ask forgiveness every time you sin what happens if you don't.

Are you no longer a child of God? What is He going to do to you if you die with uncompressed sin?

Wondering PennEd? What is "uncompressed" sin? Or does mpr=nf ?

 

[GeorgieW]

Romans 8:1 says There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.