Which is more important: Correct doctrine or a godly attitude toward others?

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Shamah

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EarnestQ said:
Christian Chat (especially the BDF) is rife with heated arguments about one doctrinal point or another. Some posts are well thought out and presented respectfully. Far too many posts, however, are attacks on a previous poster's character and personality.

The later responses appear to me to present an ungodly attitude toward others. I believe these to be (giving them the benefit of the doubt) from immature Christians, whether their doctrine is correct or not.

So, my question is, "Is it more important to have a 'correct' doctrine and treat your brothers and sisters insultingly, disrespectfully, and ungodly, or, is is better to have a God honoring attitude that reflects the love of Jesus to others and not necessarily have the 'correct' doctrinal position.

A second related question is: "Is Christian maturity measured by 'correct' doctrine or a God honoring character?"

(We will assume a true belief and acceptance of God's Son, Jesus, as ones Lord and Savior on the part of the offending poster.)

Thank you for your comments.
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Both because one is knowing the truth the other is walking the truth. I want to add that while we can't catagorize people on this side or that side I do see the presonal attacks and slander coming more from those who personally do not fully expound on Scripture to show why they believe what they do. and when someone does it is easily ignored.

Also rebuke is right among followers of Yahshua, but it must be done properly.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 24:25-26, "But he who rebukes the wicked will be a delight, and a righteous blessing will be called upon him. A fitting; appropriate, answer is like a kiss on the lips."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 17:3-4, “So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 18:21-22, “Then Kĕpha came to Him and said, “Master, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”

SImply calling one a name is not the proper way to handle the situation.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 18:15-17, “And if your brother sins against you, go and convict him, between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word might be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, say it to the assembly. And if he refuses even to hear the assembly, let him be to you like the nations and a tax collector.”[/FONT]

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This is vital IMO:

"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word might be established[/FONT]"

and I don;t mean two people not using Scripture, for nobody here can establish themselves as a true person of Yah, however using 2 or 3 Scripture writers to prove a Scriptual point is valid, they are trustworthy witnesses. However if one can not establish it in the mouth of 2 or more witnesses they may have a misunderstanding IMO.
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joaniemarie

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Justshalllivebyfaith said:
My question was, and still is, "who then is Jesus` God?

Your answer is "yes, Jesus is God the Son"?
You do understand that that doesn't tell anyone who is Jesus` God
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Sorry but I'm not understanding you here. You will have to ask your question in a different way.
 
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joaniemarie said:
Sorry but I'm not understanding you here. You will have to ask your question in a different way.
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I believe he is not asking, "Who is Jesus in relation to God" but rather, "Who is the God of Jesus".

In the same way, one person may ask another on a bus, "To which god do you pray?" So to which 'god' did Jesus pray? :)
 
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joaniemarie

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I really don't know if this answers your question but here goes.....


Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. (2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

God comforts us in all our problems by showing us more of Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Our comfort is HUGE through Christ

2 Cor 1:5. troubles come but Jesus is bigger than all of them. When we see him, will have relief in all our troubles.


Finally, brethren, pray for us that the word of the Lord will spread rapidly and be glorified, just as it did also with you; and that we will be rescued from perverse and evil men; for not all have faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one. 2 Thessalonians 3:1
 
Locutus

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Some of yus need a good prodding..


 
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Justshalllivebyfaith

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joaniemarie said:
I really don't know if this answers your question but here goes.....


Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. (2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

God comforts us in all our problems by showing us more of Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Our comfort is HUGE through Christ

2 Cor 1:5. troubles come but Jesus is bigger than all of them. When we see him, will have relief in all our troubles.


Finally, brethren, pray for us that the word of the Lord will spread rapidly and be glorified, just as it did also with you; and that we will be rescued from perverse and evil men; for not all have faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one. 2 Thessalonians 3:1
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The answet is the Father is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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joaniemarie

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Locutus said:
Some of yus need a good prodding..


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Thankfully the Good Shepherd never uses cattle prods on the sheep... He leads us and we follow.. He never gets behind us and uses prods. Faith is not about being prodded with cattle prods. nope.
 
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joaniemarie said:
I really don't know if this answers your question but here goes.....

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. (2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

God comforts us in all our problems by showing us more of Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Our comfort is HUGE through Christ

2 Cor 1:5. troubles come but Jesus is bigger than all of them. When we see him, will have relief in all our troubles.

Finally, brethren, pray for us that the word of the Lord will spread rapidly and be glorified, just as it did also with you; and that we will be rescued from perverse and evil men; for not all have faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one. 2 Thessalonians 3:1
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I especially love the bolded above :)

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Jason1975

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There are differences in doctrine... but you'll only be judged according to the knowledge you possess. If you know to love people.. and love life... then you'll act accordingly... or you won't. And there is how you are sanctified... it's in the doing. Faith is a verb.. whether in the Greek or Latin... it is "the act the follows believing"... now.. whether we are all looking for the correct doctrine is another story... and another chance to faith... or not.
 
Blain

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Miri said:
One thing I notice is at times people will speak, quote others,
copy paste articles, give an opinion etc but they never give
an indication of personal experience. Much of what is
posted is head knowledge but not personal heart
knowledge. That’s rather sad isn’t it.
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I am told I speak of experience and heart knowledge to much lol
 
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Jackson123

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EarnestQ said:
Christian Chat (especially the BDF) is rife with heated arguments about one doctrinal point or another. Some posts are well thought out and presented respectfully. Far too many posts, however, are attacks on a previous poster's character and personality.

The later responses appear to me to present an ungodly attitude toward others. I believe these to be (giving them the benefit of the doubt) from immature Christians, whether their doctrine is correct or not.

So, my question is, "Is it more important to have a 'correct' doctrine and treat your brothers and sisters insultingly, disrespectfully, and ungodly, or, is is better to have a God honoring attitude that reflects the love of Jesus to others and not necessarily have the 'correct' doctrinal position.

A second related question is: "Is Christian maturity measured by 'correct' doctrine or a God honoring character?"

(We will assume a true belief and acceptance of God's Son, Jesus, as ones Lord and Savior on the part of the offending poster.)

Thank you for your comments.
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wrong doctrine is dangerous, for example I have a friend, he work in the church as a synod secretary. Some time he preach from church to church in his denomination, but he believe Islam and Christian share the same God.

my question to him is, why don't he convert to Islam, saver for him, since he reside in a Muslim country, any way both worship the same God. (If Islam and Christian share the same God)

so wrong doctrine is dangerous. But ungodly attitude, may show immaturity, or not a born again Christian.
 
Gabriel2020

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Sound doctrine is that of Jesus Christ, And his doctrine only. Whether they serve the same God or not does not matter. If you don't serve Jesus, the Son, you cannot serve God, the Father. The thing most Christians fail to realize is that no mater how much you worship God, if your heart is not worshiping him ,then your worship is in vain. The word of God tells us that over and over.
 
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Jackson123

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Gabriel2020 said:
Sound doctrine is that of Jesus Christ, And his doctrine only. Whether they serve the same God or not does not matter. If you don't serve Jesus, the Son, you cannot serve God, the Father. The thing most Christians fail to realize is that no mater how much you worship God, if your heart is not worshiping him ,then your worship is in vain. The word of God tells us that over and over.
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Yep, it is impossible that Muslim share the same God with us, Muslim don't believe Jesus is God.
 
EarnestQ

EarnestQ

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Jackson123 said:
Yep, it is impossible that Muslim share the same God with us, Muslim don't believe Jesus is God.
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FWIW, I had a computer teacher in a good Christian college who thought they were the same God. I strongly disagreed with him but I never doubted his salvation and we were good friends.
 
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EarnestQ said:
Christian Chat (especially the BDF) is rife with heated arguments about one doctrinal point or another. Some posts are well thought out and presented respectfully. Far too many posts, however, are attacks on a previous poster's character and personality.
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If you can't refute their doctrine, then attack their character and personality. I see this all the time. :rolleyes:

Love without truth is too soft and truth without love is too hard. A proper balance of correct doctrine and godly character are both important.
 
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Justshalllivebyfaith said:
Good. Next time someone asks "who is God?" you can tell them God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. That way you'll have many scriptures as cleat proof for your claim.
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Jesus is the Almighty God.
The fullness of God is in Him. You ought to be knowing this.
 
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