By Whose Authority Do You Teach?

[Ariel82]

What about them? We were talking about keeping souls, not shepherding.

"Keeping souls" is another way of refering to the responsibility of shepherding the Flock.,,,it's in response to the question "by whose authority do you teach?" another way of asking is "whose souls did God entrust into your care to shepherd/keep from wandering away and becoming lost?"

Words are not always my friend.

Main point is that authority is more about responsibility than power over another person.

 

[Ariel82]

Anyway I hope you don't leave...taking a break is useful.......maybe a weekly worship thread that is similar to a church service and Sunday school class might be helpful?

Now all we have to do is find someone mature and grounded that can lead it.

(finger on nose) not it!

 

[Nehemiah6]

The ones who preach to no one in particular just in the past week:
MessageoftheCross, Nobleman, KingJamesVersionBibleOnly, GOP, WebersHome, Nehemiah6, LightshinesintheDarkness, newton3003, followJesus, and LW97.

Depleted would have made a good executioner for Calvin and his nefarious actions against Christians. Her posts are generally filled with bitterness and animosity against other Christians, but that does not concern her.

 

[Ariel82]

Depleted would have made a good executioner for Calvin and his nefarious actions against Christians. Her posts are generally filled with bitterness and animosity against other Christians, but that does not concern her.

You don't like her, she doesn't like your teaching.
However coming on this thread just to attack her just proves her point that you aren't really displaying wisdom from above but just seeking a fight.

Normally I don't comment but it's just wrong to kick folks when they are feeling down.

Yes Lynn is blunt, sometimes rubs people the wrong way. Sometimes jumps to conclusions. However she is quick to apologize when God points it out to her.

Her posts are filled with animosity towards people she believe are false teachers peddling false doctrines.

Can't really judge her on that because you would be throwing stones in a glass house.

Since you are here and she named you as one of the teachers she is questioning.,,will you answer her question?
By whose authority do you teach?

 

[Ariel82]

I had to unlearn some bad habits I learned here on CC.

One lesson i had to relearn is the value of listening and silence.

 

[CS1]

I see lots of people starting threads to teach stuff they deem important. In doing so, they deem themselves as teachers. If I ask them "By whose authority," they will say "By God's authority." But that's not the question I'm asking. Well, it is, but it isn't.

I've known many "teachers" in my life. Most of them cannot teach. That makes them bogus teachers spewing forth a little truth in a sea of junk. When I was gullible, I used to think, "If someone teaches, they must be a teacher." And, because of that, I ended up believing a sea of junk with a little bit of truth mixed in.

I've also known many teachers who were great teachers. Their words I could believe. And, so, I asked them, "By whose authority do you teach?" And, the answer often included, "by God's authority," but it was not the only answer. A story came through that matched every time. It always had to do with a willingness to learn and a deep desire to learn. They would learn from anyone who could give them one phrase of truth. And then they'd ask, "But is it true?" Instead of asking the person, they would put in hours of effort to learn in a multitude of ways. And they would pray -- a lot. Always seeking God's guidance in the learning.

And then they'd check with those they trusted to see if they might have found the truth in it. And the ones trusted would critique it. (Not "criticize." "Critique.") And in doing so, they'd work it out to an agreement. And they would also pray earnestly to gain God's truth.

And the ones trusted would pray for the person. Often for weeks or months, before they came back and said to the person, "You are gifted in teaching." And the one that was said to would pray and research for months, possibly years, to see if that was true, and then come back for more critique.

And they would end up praying and agreeing again. And in that agreeing began the authority. The teacher was always gifted to teach, but the authority was given by learned, honest people seeking God's answer. From there, the student began preparing to teach, by doing the obvious next thing -- studying the subject matter. Either through seminary or self-taught, but that studying took years, and then more studying to prepare one teaching. Always, always praying for God's guidance in that learning and teaching.

THAT is a teacher.

So, I'm asking to those who think CC is their platform to teach, by whose authority do you teach?

cause and effect

you are right .

the one who teaches must be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit always... learning ... always, humble ..... always study always....

the learnee must varify what is said from the Word of God ....always praying;..... always Listen for the Holy Spirit and follow HIS guiding always.


teaching is done best in a relationship . you will have many teachers but few fathers. many will teach you or insturct you but with the Spirit and the Word of God you move to apply what they have taught. IF you do this then discernment and good judgement will follow.

 

[AuntieAnt]

I had to unlearn some bad habits I learned here on CC.

One lesson i had to relearn is the value of listening and silence.

Amen, sister!! Me, too. And I'm twice your age and still learning.

But when I'm quietly waiting on the Lord and stop trying to understand on my own, I see God's wisdom totally unlike my own limited understanding. THEN I know the Truth and He sets me free of my flesh and I understand with a righteous mind in Him.

"Be still and know that I am God." He is all we need to know. ❤

 

[DustyRhodes]

I want to apologize to you. I'm remembering things you did a couple of years ago, and haven't noticed you have changed since then. If I'm allowed to change, so are you. So I'm bringing up things from way back when you were a mere kid in your late 60s. On that, I want to say I'm sorry.


then you have. How I came to writing the devotionals was my morning prayers
where I read a random scripture of about 5 verses then put the bible down and
did a came into the presence of God, I don't mean by my voice or His but just
by sensing His presence... and in the process meditating on what I had read...
some people bristle at the word meditation but it is in scripture in several
places..i.e. Psalm 19:14 Verse Concepts
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.
that is my favorite but there are several others...so in talking with friends a subject of prayer came up and
i told them that as well as petition prayers, I do this method...so they asked me to share and i did and
eventually ended up posting them on here on "Miscellaneous" site and it was suggested to me to post
them BDF....so I do and really I don't expect those with strong faith to get much out of them but rather
the beginners, backsliders or really anyone who might benefit from them...it someone reads them and
finds them of no worth that they can just pass them by...how i believe that they are of God is that I
am not God but I am not other than God...so that's the story...big Christian Hugs and no harm done


Would you forgive me?

Having said that, I really would like to know what was the process that lead you to believe you could write devotionals. And, I'm not saying you can't. I'm a

Would you forgive me?

Having said that, I really would like to know what was the process that lead you to believe you could write devotionals. And, I'm not saying you can't. I'm asking you how you know if it is the Lord or just you? I really do think it is something that escapes most people, and do see you as someone who can do devotionals well, so how did you get there? How did the Lord lead you there?

then you have. How I came to writing the devotionals was my morning prayers
where I read a random scripture of about 5 verses then put the bible down and
did a came into the presence of God, I don't mean by my voice or His but just
by sensing His presence... and in the process meditating on what I had read...
some people bristle at the word meditation but it is in scripture in several
places..i.e. Psalm 19:14 Verse Concepts
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.
that is my favorite but there are several others...so in talking with friends a subject of prayer came up and
i told them that as well as petition prayers, I do this method...so they asked me to share and i did and
eventually ended up posting them on here on "Miscellaneous" site and it was suggested to me to post
them BDF....so I do and really I don't expect those with strong faith to get much out of them but rather
the beginners, backsliders or really anyone who might benefit from them...it someone reads them and
finds them of no worth that they can just pass them by...how i believe that they are of God is that I
am not God but I am not other than God...so that's the story...big Christian Hugs and no harm done


Would you forgive me?

Having said that, I really would like to know what was the process that lead you to believe you could write devotionals. And, I'm not saying you can't. I'm a

 

[Depleted]

"Keeping souls" is another way of refering to the responsibility of shepherding the Flock.,,,it's in response to the question "by whose authority do you teach?" another way of asking is "whose souls did God entrust into your care to shepherd/keep from wandering away and becoming lost?"

Words are not always my friend.

Main point is that authority is more about responsibility than power over another person.

(Thinking 'bout your first ideas. Not one of those things I can respond to quickly, but am thinking.)

Ohhhh, that's one of those phrases I never heard before. It's a thing? One of the things that happens often on here is I do see a bunch of phrases and words I haven't heard before because different groups have different lingo. Got to say though, sure sounds like an impossible burden to put on a teacher.

 

[Ariel82]

(Thinking 'bout your first ideas. Not one of those things I can respond to quickly, but am thinking.)

Ohhhh, that's one of those phrases I never heard before. It's a thing? One of the things that happens often on here is I do see a bunch of phrases and words I haven't heard before because different groups have different lingo. Got to say though, sure sounds like an impossible burden to put on a teacher.

Not really because we place our burdens at the foot of the cross. Nothing is impossible with Christ. Just takes prayer.

Paul said he planted, Apollos watered and God gives the increase. (or something like that)

We are just do our small part and God makes the rest work to His glory,

Yeah lingo changes with each group and each generation it seems.

 

[Depleted]

Anyway I hope you don't leave...taking a break is useful.......maybe a weekly worship thread that is similar to a church service and Sunday school class might be helpful?

Now all we have to do is find someone mature and grounded that can lead it.

(finger on nose) not it!

LOL Not It either.

I think a worship thread is good, but quite a few post verses, and I'm nosy enough to want to know what hit them about that verse.

Teaching can't be done, because the argue-gene is well established on here. Old Hermit used to try, but spent about 80% of the time trying to explain to someone that he's not doing it to argue.

I've seen people add lots of good devotionals, or just things they found online that they like, and even see people arguing over NOT knowing the person who wrote it in the first place. OR, (and I often find this somewhere between laughable or frustrating), they think it's posted to refute something they believe passionately enough to argue over it, and it was never about that.

Worse yet, the good stuff usually disappears from Page 1 quickly, because there are enough threads to continue arguing about no one comes up for breath to read the good stuff before it goes to Page 2. (Von. I remember Von used to give a nighttime verse, and stopped because no one had time to read it before it disappeared.) And, I'm one of those people that often misses the good stuff because I am arguing breathlessly for so long.

I think I keep hoping some will think about teaching long enough to consider either teaching (with authority), or maybe even respecting a teacher who can teach with some authority enough that people are willing to participate, instead of argue.

Do we have to agree with the teacher? Well, I think Old Hermit is a pretty good teacher, and yet found out he thinks Calvinists are dead wrong. How about that? That means I was learning from an anti-Calvinist without wasting a bunch of time arguing with him about Calvinism. It's doable.

We are capable to put aside of difference long enough to learn still. Just wish we could.

My line in the sand is simple. I won't learn from someone who thinks he doesn't need to know who his audience is, because he's so much more important. (And "he" is gender neutral, since occasionally I see women doing this too.) AND he has to have enough knowledge of the Bible to teach the subject matter.



BTW. If you're into reading, try A.W. Pink's Attributes of God. I think you'll like it. If not? Well, short book, so won't take you long to learn you don't like it. lol

And Herbert Lockyer's All the Divine Names and Titles in the Bible. (Particularly, since you'd mentioned you'd like to learn the names used for God and what they mean. John uses it more as a reference book, but sounds like it's up your alley.)

 

[Depleted]

cause and effect

you are right .

the one who teaches must be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit always... learning ... always, humble ..... always study always....

the learnee must varify what is said from the Word of God ....always praying;..... always Listen for the Holy Spirit and follow HIS guiding always.


teaching is done best in a relationship . you will have many teachers but few fathers. many will teach you or insturct you but with the Spirit and the Word of God you move to apply what they have taught. IF you do this then discernment and good judgement will follow.

 

[Depleted]

then you have. How I came to writing the devotionals was my morning prayers
where I read a random scripture of about 5 verses then put the bible down and
did a came into the presence of God, I don't mean by my voice or His but just
by sensing His presence... and in the process meditating on what I had read...
some people bristle at the word meditation but it is in scripture in several
places..i.e. Psalm 19:14 Verse Concepts
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.
that is my favorite but there are several others...so in talking with friends a subject of prayer came up and
i told them that as well as petition prayers, I do this method...so they asked me to share and i did and
eventually ended up posting them on here on "Miscellaneous" site and it was suggested to me to post
them BDF....so I do and really I don't expect those with strong faith to get much out of them but rather
the beginners, backsliders or really anyone who might benefit from them...it someone reads them and
finds them of no worth that they can just pass them by...how i believe that they are of God is that I
am not God but I am not other than God...so that's the story...big Christian Hugs and no harm done


Would you forgive me?

Having said that, I really would like to know what was the process that lead you to believe you could write devotionals. And, I'm not saying you can't. I'm a

Thank you for forgiving me.

And thank you for answer my original question.

 

[Ariel82]

I loved Von short devotionals and liked reading old hermit threads too.

I boycott some threads.

Sometimes I go to page 2 of 3 to pull forward threads I like.

You will always have folks who want to argue. We can just chose not to engage.

Will look into those books...can I get them free online?

If you're into reading, try A.W. Pink's Attributes of God. I think you'll like it. If not? Well, short book, so won't take you long to learn you don't like it. lol

And Herbert Lockyer's All the Divine Names and Titles in the Bible. (Particularly, since you'd mentioned you'd like to learn the names used for God and what they mean. John uses it more as a reference book, but sounds like it's up your alley.)

 

[LPT]

I am never going to trust you to size someone up for me. This isn't the first time you've passive-aggressively said something about a person that simply isn't true. And it certainly isn't the first time you set yourself up as divine discerner when that simply isn't true either.

Instead of guessing, feel free to look. Not like every single post we've ever written on this site isn't visible to anyone else. Go ahead and look to see where I've ever taught on here. You won't find it.

And, if you were truly a man of God I would expect at least an apology for telling lies about me, but don't worry. I don't really think you're a man of God, so won't be holding my breath.

Hahaha fair enough, little about me I don't have to prove a thing to no man or woman nor care what you or any person thinks I am or am not for I know who I am.

good day.

 

[EarnestQ]

Depleted would have made a good executioner for Calvin and his nefarious actions against Christians. Her posts are generally filled with bitterness and animosity against other Christians, but that does not concern her.

And you are demonstrating that back to her?

 

[Ariel82]

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/attributes_online.html

Found one!

Just not back from the kids puppet ministry they "performed" 3 songs it was awesome

The church library card catalog says we have the other but I can't find it on the shelves....will have to ask someone maybe they can help locate it.

 

[Ralph-]

What about them? We were talking about keeping souls, not shepherding.

From what I can see, keeping (guarding) souls IS shepherding.

And it's not the burden it at first sounds like. We learn from Ezekiel that basically it means the prophet/watchman teaches the truth to those he is sent to. Whether they listen or not, the watchman teaches the truth and the responsibility for the fate of those he is sent to is then in their hands.

 

[OneFaith]

This is where you and I are at loggerheads. I believe there is something much more important than salvation, and it isn't about getting a spot in heaven.

One person makes it there, the other does not- which one loved God? You don't know me or how much I love God. If I'm at heavens gates, and I'm given a choice of one of two eternal rooms... One has every pleasure you could fathom, and the other is a boring room with just God in it, I choose to be in the boring room. God is my soul's home. The attitude you're talking about ( which I do not have ) is self-centered.

 

[Depleted]

I loved Von short devotionals and liked reading old hermit threads too.

I boycott some threads.

Sometimes I go to page 2 of 3 to pull forward threads I like.

You will always have folks who want to argue. We can just chose not to engage.

Will look into those books...can I get them free online?

Probably. We're both into Dead Guys, so the likelihood of the copyright still being active are thin. Once they're not active, they're usually easy to find online. (Just a paper and print kind of person, so have trouble reading books online still. lol)