The crossless Gospel controversy
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You've posted 4 hours of video. Not likely anyone is going to watch even half. Even a single hour video may get 1-2 That even attempt to watch, and usually don't finish.
Also providing more detail on your subject and links helps. People don't like clicking links or videos without a clear understanding of what they're going to view.
Also providing more detail on your subject and links helps. People don't like clicking links or videos without a clear understanding of what they're going to view.
Yes the cross is a piece of wood, trusting a piece of wood is distrracting from the Messiah, trust in the Messiah. But if we focus on a poece of wood we can easily miss what the Messiah has to say, no man can be saved without going to Yahshua/Jesus:
John 10:9, “I am the door. Whoever enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and shall go out and find pasture.”
John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 –poimén)."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”
John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”
John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.”
all this cross cross cross is near blasphemy, it is the blood of Messiah that redeems, not a execution instrument.
Hebrews
"9:12, "entered into the Most Set-apart Place once for all, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, having obtained everlasting redemption.
John 10:9, “I am the door. Whoever enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and shall go out and find pasture.”
John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 –poimén)."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”
John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”
John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.”
all this cross cross cross is near blasphemy, it is the blood of Messiah that redeems, not a execution instrument.
Hebrews
"9:12, "entered into the Most Set-apart Place once for all, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, having obtained everlasting redemption.
It would be more precise to ask whether a person can get saved without trusting in the Crucified One, and the answer is a resounding "NO".
The true Gospel will not only include who Christ is, but what He ACCOMPLISHED in His death, burial, and resurrection. Which also means that unless a sinner believes with all his heart that Jesus of Nazareth is actually God manifest in the flesh, he cannot possible understand how Christ alone could purchase redemption for humanity.
There are many who claim to be Christians, yet reject the Deity of Christ. But Jesus Himself made it plain that unless we believe that He is the "I AM" (God) we will die in our sins. So believing on the Lord Jesus Christ means believing that God the Son shed His blood for our redemption on the Cross.
The true Gospel will not only include who Christ is, but what He ACCOMPLISHED in His death, burial, and resurrection. Which also means that unless a sinner believes with all his heart that Jesus of Nazareth is actually God manifest in the flesh, he cannot possible understand how Christ alone could purchase redemption for humanity.
There are many who claim to be Christians, yet reject the Deity of Christ. But Jesus Himself made it plain that unless we believe that He is the "I AM" (God) we will die in our sins. So believing on the Lord Jesus Christ means believing that God the Son shed His blood for our redemption on the Cross.
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Ok. Let's say Jesus never died on the cross. Where would be we then? It's one thing to speak if there is a genuine issue whereby people place faith in the cross and not Jesus (which I've never seen) and another to go on an angry rant practically putting the cross down. Then having the nerve to talk about others blasphemy.
Even Jesus himself refered to the cross, pick up your cross and follow me. Mark 8:34
I Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ
Matthew 10:38
And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Luke 14:27
Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
Colossians 2:14
By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Galatians 6:14
But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Colossians 1:20
And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
See spamming a bunch of scriptures can seem to prove a point, yet despite this list you'll still keep the same attitude. Because a spamming of scriptures aimed at making you look right changes no one's mind, including yours.
Even Jesus himself refered to the cross, pick up your cross and follow me. Mark 8:34
I Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ
Matthew 10:38
And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Luke 14:27
Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
Colossians 2:14
By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Galatians 6:14
But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Colossians 1:20
And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
See spamming a bunch of scriptures can seem to prove a point, yet despite this list you'll still keep the same attitude. Because a spamming of scriptures aimed at making you look right changes no one's mind, including yours.